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[JBowie]

Mr Craddock was asking FM about it, during her testimony at the inquest.


He asks if she recalls a message from Bill Spedding that afternoon after William vanished saying “that he had the parts and was able to attend that afternoon”. She says she recalls her mother relaying it to her at some point.
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RSBM - Who Else Knew? ONLY days before William Tyrrell was abducted, his grandmother told repairman Bill Spedding she was expecting a stay-over visit from her family and could he fix her faulty washing machine. We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph Is there any info that she told him the actual...

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Thanks.

This is at odds, I believe, with what's-his-name (mentioned IIRC in one of the Kendall area local news papers) stating that there were two machine parts required and that by 12 September only one of them had arrived.

And if such a call were indeed made from BS's phone, then there should be a telco record of it. I have not heard, or cannot recall, it said anywhere that such a call record was found.

 

[JLZ]

But if we add the 10 mins from 10:20 - 10:30 it fits.

Unfortunately, this is the kind of case where seconds seem to count. So for those of us who do not have the police brief, we are counting on the approximation of the times (as I am pretty sure that no-one was watching the clock while searching for William).

Yes, I'm thinking of PS in that regard. His phone call finished at 10:07. I don't recall exactly what he was doing between then and say 10:20.

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks.

This is at odds, I believe, with what's-his-name (mentioned IIRC in one of the Kendall area local news papers) stating that there were two machine parts required and that by 12 September only one of them had arrived.

And if such a call were indeed made from BS's phone, then there should be a telco record of it. I have not heard it said anywhere that was the case.

I think there might be a telco record ... this was discussed a lot way back in the threads.

Which is why some of us think one part would have got the washing machine operable, the other part maybe was needed but not necessary. (If his friend, Colin Youngberry, was correct about the part deliveries).

IIRC when BS called FGM - a few hours after William disappeared - he was told he couldn't come now.

 

[FromGermany1]

(4) got in FGM car & drove looking for WT, drove down Batar Ck Rd, thought he could not have gotten that far,

I don't know, if I am right.
I believe to remember, that the TRUCK DRIVER saw a large, blonde woman standing beside her car in Batar Ck. Road. It must have been the time, FFC was also in Batar Ck. Road. IMO
FFC said, she didn't get out of the car, had only her window down.
Except on one photo out of a TV docu, I never saw her blonde. Idk, which hair colour she definitively had in 2014.
So, I'm confused.

 

[JLZ]

Thanks.

This is at odds, I believe, with what's-his-name (mentioned IIRC in one of the Kendall area local news papers) stating that there were two machine parts required and that by 12 September only one of them had arrived.

And if such a call were indeed made from BS's phone, then there should be a telco record of it. I have not heard, or cannot recall, it said anywhere that such a call record was found.

Perhaps, by Friday morning, only one part had arrived, but by Friday afternoon he had them both?

 

[FromGermany1]

Perhaps, by Friday morning, only one part had arrived, but by Friday afternoon he had them both?

I remember, he was glad, that he hadn't to do the repair, because he wanted to attend a football game of his grand children. But old as I am, I have forgotten, which day he didn't want to do this work: has it been Saturday?

 

[JBowie]

I think there might be a telco record ... this was discussed a lot way back in the threads.

Which is why some of us think one part would have got the washing machine operable, the other part maybe was needed but not necessary.

IIRC when BS called FGM - a few hours after William disappeared - he was told he couldn't come now.

Can you recall the name of the guy who told the local rag that two parts were needed but only one had come in? If so, I can likely find the article itself. IIRC, this guy had some sort of working relationship with BS?

If such a telco record existed, then I don't recall reading it in either CO's or GJ's books. I think I would have flagged it if I had read that.

Seems to me that Jubelin would have considered any such call of particular interest in respect of the reason that BS gave for not going ahead with the planned service trip on the 12th?

If the call was made, then given the apparent parts situation, I can imagine it being along the lines of "I have one of the parts needed, but not the other. Do you want me to come today and do part of the job and then have to come back when the other part arrives, or will we wait until both parts are here and complete the job in the one trip?"

Who supposedly answered the call? The FGM? If so, then the FM was speaking for her, not from direct experience (i.e. hearsay), or did the FM claim to have had a conversation with BS?

And I wonder what BS has to say about this alleged call?

 

[JLZ]

I remember, he was glad, that he hadn't to do the repair, because he wanted to attend a football game of his grand children. But old as I am, I have forgotten, which day he didn't want to do this work: has it been Saturday?

I think I remember him saying he didn't want to do it over the weekend.

 

[JBowie]

Perhaps, by Friday morning, only one part had arrived, but by Friday afternoon he had them both?

Perhaps, but IMO this parts business and phone calls to 48 Benaroon Drive on the day is highly germane to the case (certainly to BS's defence) and I would expect for all of that to have been covered with certainty by CO or GJ in their books, if not also in the MSM.

 

[katydid23]

Thanks.

This is at odds, I believe, with what's-his-name (mentioned IIRC in one of the Kendall area local news papers) stating that there were two machine parts required and that by 12 September only one of them had arrived.

And if such a call were indeed made from BS's phone, then there should be a telco record of it. I have not heard, or cannot recall, it said anywhere that such a call record was found.

Yes, but he may have been planning to bring over the one part that has arrived, if it was something to help her use the machine, while awaiting the other part.

[our repairman did that---he brought over the part that made the drum rotate, so we could use the machine. Then 2 weeks later he brought over the part that was on backorder, which was for hot/cold dial]

 

[SouthAussie]

Can you recall the name of the guy who told the local rag that two parts were needed but only one had come in? If so, I can likely find the article itself. IIRC, this guy had some sort of working relationship with BS?

If such a telco record existed, then I don't recall reading it in either CO's or GJ's books. I think I would have flagged it if I had read that.

Seems to me that Jubelin would have considered any such call of particular interest in respect of the reason that BS gave for not going ahead with the planned service trip on the 12th?

If the call was made, then given the apparent parts situation, I can imagine it being along the lines of "I have one of the parts needed, but not the other. Do you want me to come today and do part of the job and then have to come back when the other part arrives, or will we wait until both parts are here and complete the job in the one trip?"

Who supposedly answered the call? The FGM? If so, then the FM was speaking for her, not from direct experience (i.e. hearsay), or did the FM claim to have had a conversation with BS?

And I wonder what BS has to say about this alleged call?

Firstly, it was Hans Rupp who was leading the case at that point ... so any recall would be by Rupp's team.

BS friend is Colin Youngberry. He did a lot of talking for BS early on.

I think there were indications that neither FGM or FM took the call. Someone else did, and BS was told he couldn't come now. IIRC

He ended up coming the following week to do the repair - maybe 8 or 9 days later - by arrangement.

 

[SLouTh]

I don't know, if I am right.
I believe to remember, that the TRUCK DRIVER saw a large, blonde woman standing beside her car in Batar Ck. Road. It must have been the time, FFC was also in Batar Ck. Road. IMO
FFC said, she didn't get out of the car, had only her window down.
Except on one photo out of a TV docu, I never saw her blonde. Idk, which hair colour she definitively had in 2014.
So, I'm confused.

The large blonde woman was associated with a Black Camry IIRC…??? Separately to the large blonde woman observed by Mr C…..(in the “fawn” 4WD)

One driver who was pulled over at the police road block on Friday told officers about a black Camry that a truck driver had noticed in the area several times last Friday.
It is believed the information had already been canvassed by police and discounted

Police stop drivers in Kendall as search for William Tyrell, 3, turns up nothing

The search for a three year-old boy who vanished from a home on the NSW mid north coast has moved to a more "evidence-based search" in a further sign that the toddler may have been abducted.

www.smh.com.au

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Personally I don’t think either are related to William’s disappearance… but that is JMO ….

 

[Warshawski]

I don't know, if I am right.
I believe to remember, that the TRUCK DRIVER saw a large, blonde woman standing beside her car in Batar Ck. Road. It must have been the time, FFC was also in Batar Ck. Road. IMO
FFC said, she didn't get out of the car, had only her window down.
Except on one photo out of a TV docu, I never saw her blonde. Idk, which hair colour she definitively had in 2014.
So, I'm confused.

I do remember that FromGermany but that’s a different Truck Driver I’m thinking - but then I think about Mr Chapman’s description of the person driving the speeding car with a little Spider-Man in the rear - ?

 

[JBowie]

Yes, but he may have been planning to bring over the one part that has arrived, if it was something to help her use the machine, while awaiting the other part.

[our repairman did that---he brought over the part that made the drum rotate, so we could use the machine. Then 2 weeks later he brought over the part that was on backorder, which was for hot/cold dial]

Yes, I can imagine that scenario, too. But if this call were indeed made by BS, and if was in the afternoon, then IMO by then there would have been pandemonium at the other end of the line and likely the last thing the foster family members would want to discuss in that moment is the washing machine.

How I would love to see entire videos of all interrogations. (Safe bet I'm not alone there.)

 

[JLZ]

The large blonde woman was associated with a Black Camry IIRC…??? Separately to the large blonde woman observed by Mr C…..(in the “fawn” 4WD)

One driver who was pulled over at the police road block on Friday told officers about a black Camry that a truck driver had noticed in the area several times last Friday.
It is believed the information had already been canvassed by police and discounted

Police stop drivers in Kendall as search for William Tyrell, 3, turns up nothing

The search for a three year-old boy who vanished from a home on the NSW mid north coast has moved to a more "evidence-based search" in a further sign that the toddler may have been abducted.

www.smh.com.au

Post in thread 'Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #48'
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #48

Personally I don’t think either are related to William’s disappearance… but that is JMO ….

There was also something about a large woman behaving strangely by the side of a road. I don't remember which road or whether it was a truck driver who noticed her. I don't know whether she was connected with the Camry or not. Well done finding that article though; I'm not having any luck myself.

 

[JBowie]

Firstly, it was Hans Rupp who was leading the case at that point ... so any recall would be by Rupp's team.

On that point, I believe that when GJ was put in charge he went back over all of the material and he had BS and his movements squarely in his sights, so IMO he would have known all about that call.

BS friend is Colin Youngberry. He did a lot of talking for BS early on.

That's it, thanks. Referred to as CY in a few places.

I think there were indications that neither FGM or FM took the call. Someone else did, and BS was told he couldn't come now. IIRC

He ended up coming the following week to do the repair - maybe 8 or 9 days later - by arrangement.

In which case the FM's testimony on this was hearsay, IMO.

 

[SouthAussie]

In which case the FM's testimony on this was hearsay, IMO.

But the hearsay would have been confirmed by 1. whoever took the call 2. FGM as she apparently mentioned it to FM.

Who knows, the presumed fact that BS made that call in the afternoon might have been one of the first things that put BS on the map.

 

[SLouTh]

There was also something about a large woman behaving strangely by the side of a road. I don't remember which road or whether it was a truck driver who noticed her. I don't know whether she was connected with the Camry or not. Well done finding that article though; I'm not having any luck myself.

There may still be an audio recording of the 2GB interview With the truck driver???? See below I have managed to find it ….
I am not sure if it was Batar Creek Road either???

In hindsight, could a Grey Mazda have been decribed as a Black Camry? personally, I don’t think so….

I can’t quite imagine FM as a large blonde woman either ??? (Looking at recent media photos with her face blurred…)

The one thing about Mr C’s sighting that made me wonder was the description of the “blue” with the child’s arms raised in the back…. Until that time I had “ assumed” red….. but in looking closer at the suit that part of the story was correct….. if that was the scenario …

Ray Hadley: Desperate search for missing boy - 2GB

Superintendent Paul Fehon, gives an update on the search for three-year-old William Tyrell,…

www.2gb.com

 

[suspicious]

I couldn't either. I could list a top 5 maybe, and one of those would be that William got himself lost in a very obscure place.

I’ve always wondered that too

 

[Megnut]

This is just my jumbled speculation:

Adults are sleeping separately. To maximize parenting? A harbinger of marital tension?

Morning begins, busy. Wm is emptying cupboards. IMO he's still in his jams.

Still speculating -- the male caregiver leaves. To get a newspaper, perhaps to drop off a script. Meanwhile, the remaining individuals have breakfast. Wm dons his Spiderman tee and Spiderman duds.

Male caregiver returns home. Foster children race to the yard to meet him.

Foster children play on their bikes.

Female caregiver makes tea (the first of two times IMO). Everyone gathers on the veranda. Photo ops. Foster grandma has her tea and her newspaper, foster daughter is alternately playing with Wm and drawing. The photos are taken.

Male caregiver leaves again, for his virtual meeting.

Wm runs around the side of the house but turns sharply, onto the second veranda and not the yard. At the length, he is now a full story above ground, but it took him only a step or two to access the veranda. He may not realize that, while the veranda hadn't changed, the landscape below it had fallen off.

Possibly he is pursued, over correction from rambunctious dice rolling.

And Wm crashes into the garden.from a height. Death, immediate.

IMO I think, in that one moment, one person made one calculated decision -- that no one can ever know about this.

I think the neighbors were serenaded with a raucous exchange of Mommy Monster, only zero children were playing. And only one adult.

While the foster grandma sipped her tea second tea?) and read her paper at leisure and the foster daughter lost herself in coloring, I think the female caregiver drove off in the foster grandma's car.

If she were truly driving for the purposes of a search, IMO she'd have told the foster grandma to keep an eye on the foster daughter and call her cell if Wm shows up.

I think she did not. I think she left, in secret, fairly confident that the two on the deck were well occupied.

I think, however, that she was gone long enough that the foster grandma noticed, and went in search of....

I think the female caregiver arrived home barely before the male caregiver did. I think she must've pulled in just ahead of the foster grandma coming to look for her.

I think no one but the female caregiver knew about that drive -- except perhaps for neighbors who may have heard the car. And I think it would have remained a secret. If not for the trucker making eye contact.

I think the foster grandma was easily moulded to think mere minutes elapsed between Wm and the female caregiver's exodus from the deck --

When the male caregiver arrived, the female caregiver gave off the impression IMO and by design that Wm had JUST gone missing and she had JUST begun searching -- five minutes, could have been 20, he was just here and now he's gone...

The drive is key.

JMO