Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #72

[JLZ]

JMO - With the iconic photo of William roaring at 9.39am, and FFC saying that she last saw William when he hopped off the back deck and ran around the side of the house still playing his Daddy Tiger game of roaring,

my QUESTIONS are:-

Would William be likely to be playing the Daddy Tiger game for the whole time (50 minutes); ‘Somebody has taken him’: William Tyrrell’s foster mother shares grief over loss of three-year-old

OR, did he just resume the Daddy Tiger game again at 10.30am (LE have estimated 10.10am as a possible time for his disappearance)?

OR ALTERNATIVELY, has FFC conflated the two for her story …. by just addressing that photo …….. and said that he was roaring when he disappeared?

It's an interesting point, whether William especially in what was perceived to be a hyperactive mood was playing the same game for so long. But the child of William's age I knew then would stay in character like that--it didn't preclude him playing other games at the same time. His favourite was that he was a cat. He would be actively a cat certainly for more than half an hour while his mother and I sat talking.

 

[JLZ]

I don't understand why people are giving FFC two trips. If I was going to argue that something happened to William soon after 9:37, that she concealed William and other evidence in the course of a drive and returned just before MFC--I'd want to give her all that time for a single trip to get much further than the driving school and to find a good place.

 

[Megnut]

Many of us who grew up in the same era as the foster mother are familiar with this piece of bad parenting: just wait until your father gets home.

The foster mother told the foster father to focus on himself/his mtg and she'd take care of the children. One wonders if that was a sincere offer or a bone of serious contention.

And then to have Wm running a mile a minute, not focusing on drawing, not rolling dice correctly, is it possible that the foster mother was running low on patience and high on resentment? Filmed Wm not for a scrapbook but as a threat. Just wait until your father gets home.

But Wm didn't hear it as a threat. He heard it as a promise! Daddy's coming! He could have instantly popped up, intent on running to meet him, which IMO would only have aggravated the foster mother more! How dare he give her trouble, then show preference for the other parent --

It could have happened immediately on the heels of that photo! We may have bought the narrative, believing the photo represented something that it did not (a child playing... why did she take those photos? That's the question to hammer her with.).

It only takes a minute to lose one's temper. Even if she didn't assault Wm or lecture him for a full 45 minutes, she may have been intense enough that Wm ran scared, ran belligerent or ran gleefully (expecting to see the foster father) and an accident occurred, brought on by the chase in an unfamiliar place.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I don't understand why people are giving FFC two trips. If I was going to argue that something happened to William soon after 9:37, that she concealed William and other evidence in the course of a drive and returned just before MFC--I'd want to give her all that time for a single trip to get much further than the driving school and to find a good place.

I'm asking whether it's possible she was the car the C's heard. I'm theorizing, if so, she paused, made the U-turn, which indicates to me that she forgot something. And that might correspond to the leg of her journey where she was seen.

If that's the case, where did she go for the first leg?!!!!! A different direction entirely?

All speculation. JMO

 

[Couldbe]

Question: JMO - Waiting for what? IN THEIR WORDS: William Tyrrell's parents talk of the day their boy went missing and the 'living nightmare' they endure The parents of missing toddler William Tyrrell have spoken for the first time about their son’s disap... www.9news.com.au BBM - "M: It was in my head and even Mum, while I was talking with Mum while we were waiting and I was doing the frantic thing and running through the house and opening up cupboards and all sorts of stuff, I just kept going through my head, somebody’s taken him, I can’t, in my mind it was the only logical explanation for what could have happened."

 

[Chrissy74]

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I'm asking whether it's possible she was the car the C's heard. I'm theorizing, if so, she paused, made the U-turn, which indicates to me that she forgot something. And that might correspond to the leg of her journey where she was seen.

If that's the case, where did she go for the first leg?!!!!! A different direction entirely?

All speculation. JMO

Possibly in the direction of the mfc in Lakewood. He did seem to know (fgm account) something had happened to W prior to getting out of his car. Who better to go to than someone who knows the area well.. someone who has done cubs scouts rides back bike trails. I can’t think of anyone else other than mfc who would be more savvy in knowing what to do next

 

[SLouTh]

I think it is possible that backing out a car from 48 Ben could sound like a U Turn ….. back the car to the edge of driveway from carport, stop and check for traffic. Continue backing while turning backwards up the hill, stop, put car into gear and go forward …

It is possible the car the Crabbs heard, was FM leaving and/ or returning… imo

 

[SLouTh]

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Possibly in the direction of the mfc in Lakewood. He did seem to know (fgm account) something had happened to W prior to getting out of his car. Who better to go to than someone who knows the area well.. someone who has done cubs scouts rides back bike trails. I can’t think of anyone else other than mfc who would be more savvy in knowing what to do next

I think FF trip checks out totally with his timeline …. he is not a POI …

I think FM is the single POI (now that FGM has died) for a reason …

Police have analysed phone calls etc and found that he sent the text by Siri “home in 5” but no other communication between him and FM that we know of …

That model Landrover also had GPS / Sat Nav capability and I am sure the Police have checked that … imo

JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

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" ..... and neighbours Peter and Sharelle Crabb had heard a car which sounded like ute."

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrell-inquest-neighbour-saw-child-in-car-wearing-spiderman-suit/news-story/fa357f08340e6b3bda5f5c86c48f2eac

 

[SLouTh]

I'm asking whether it's possible she was the car the C's heard.

Yes I do think that is possible, however I don’t believe she made two trips…

IF FM did a U Turn to go back for something that would have been Down Benaroon Drive … the way she was heading ….. not Up the hill of the dead end of Benaroon Drive ….as FM would have just pulled into the driveway after a U Turn…
IMO

 

[Megnut]

Question: JMO - Waiting for what? IN THEIR WORDS: William Tyrrell's parents talk of the day their boy went missing and the 'living nightmare' they endure The parents of missing toddler William Tyrrell have spoken for the first time about their son’s disap... www.9news.com.au BBM - "M: It was in my head and even Mum, while I was talking with Mum while we were waiting and I was doing the frantic thing and running through the house and opening up cupboards and all sorts of stuff, I just kept going through my head, somebody’s taken him, I can’t, in my mind it was the only logical explanation for what could have happened."

Good catch.

 

[SLouTh]

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" ..... and neighbours Peter and Sharelle Crabb had heard a car which sounded like ute."

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrell-inquest-neighbour-saw-child-in-car-wearing-spiderman-suit/news-story/fa357f08340e6b3bda5f5c86c48f2eac

Did we ever find out what type of vehicle the Postie did drive that morning???

I can’t recall that we did???
Thanks

 

[SLouTh]

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" ..... and neighbours Peter and Sharelle Crabb had heard a car which sounded like ute."

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrell-inquest-neighbour-saw-child-in-car-wearing-spiderman-suit/news-story/fa357f08340e6b3bda5f5c86c48f2eac

And yet in CO’ s Book Mrs Crabb calls it a “car” when she was interviewed … and so does Mr Crabb….

Again, we are at the hand of authors on this case, and who possibly may be more accurate ….

Chapter 4, Page 54, Missing William Tyrrell. Caroline Overington.

 

[SLouTh]

If we take the photos as accurate at 0937……
FF arrives home at 1032…. Approx…
There is 55 mins between the two events ….

There are really only 2 main options that could have happened in that 55mins… imo

1. There was a terrible accident / or harm to William and a “cover up” Which is why FM is now the sole POI and this needs investigating fully…. Which appears to happening with SFR.
(There is time for this to have happened - a childhood / fatal accident can occur in a split second)

Otherwise it is back to

2. An abduction scenario
I don’t believe William was “passed on”, however I know others do … and technically this would still fit under an abduction category.IMO

If the timeline and version of events that morning are not as we know it, then that opens up a whole realm of other scenarios …
However, to me, these two options fit that current timeline ….

ALL IMO

 

[Megnut]

https://m.youtube.com › watchWhere's William Tyrrell | Ep. 1 | The Little Boy In The Spiderman Suit

Carrying this forward for the link.

34:13 The foster mother says she doesn't like looking at that photo of Wm. (The iconic one)

Why?

He was alive and happy and playing....

It's just a weird thing to say IMO. Wouldn't you cherish every photo?

JMO

 

[SLouTh]

I believe Mr Craddock made some very clever statements during the Inquest… I also know others don’t agree….. However I believe Mr Craddock chose his words very carefully ….

i believe this was a double edge sword type comment:

If there is a lady out there who was driving ... with a child in the car, we want that person to come forward,” he said.

Yes the comments were made at the completion of Ronald Chapman’s evidence ….. However he didn’t specify a beige 4WD etc it was a very open ended question …

I believe this statement may have also been directed at FM … asking her to come forward…. About the drive ….. as the Inquest shut down quite unexpectedly just one witness later …

Aug 22 - Geoff Owen (in Taree)
Aug 25 - Margaret Spedding (in Sydney)
Aug 25 - Bill Spedding
Aug 26 - no testimony (publicly) heard
Aug 27 - Ronald Chapman
Aug 27 - Katrina Cherry
Aug 27 - inquest suddenly suspended

This was also when the photo examination request was made by Swift and agreed to by the Coroner…. Is this possibly where the investigation was changing focus behind the scenes ???

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/inquest-into-william-tyrrells-disappearance-adjourned-until-2020-despite-gripping-statement/news-story/7fb2360c3f8f78958bc884ad7f179d63

ALL MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Did we ever find out what type of vehicle the Postie did drive that morning???

I can’t recall that we did???
Thanks

Not that I remember, but we looked at a lot of rural postal vehicles and saw 4WDs and other work-type vehicles. IIRC

Mrs Crabb also testified that she heard postie come up the road, turn around and go back down.

I don't think the Crabbs heard a one-way trip .... as in a car leaving a house and driving away, or driving back to a house and parking.

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #39

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 1m1 minute ago Mr Crabb is asked if he saw Paul Savage that morning, he tells the court he cannot recall seeing him. But said he would normally walk up the trail near his house in the morning. @10Daily @10NewsFirst Focused on Paul Savage again .....

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[SLouTh]

Not that I remember, but we looked at a lot of rural postal vehicles and saw 4WDs and other work-type vehicles. IIRC

Mrs Crabb also testified that she heard postie come up the road, turn around and go back down.

I don't think the Crabbs heard a one-way trip .... as in a car leaving a house and driving away, or driving back to a house and parking.

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #39

Lia Harris‏Verified account @LiaJHarris 1m1 minute ago Mr Crabb is asked if he saw Paul Savage that morning, he tells the court he cannot recall seeing him. But said he would normally walk up the trail near his house in the morning. @10Daily @10NewsFirst Focused on Paul Savage again .....

www.websleuths.com

It would be unusual for a Postie to drive a Ute …. Without a canopy or something to make it more like a 4WD for Mail protection and parcels , etc… imo
A “Ute” to me suggests an open back on the vehicle …

But JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

It would be unusual for a Postie to drive a Ute …. Without a canopy or something to make it more like a 4WD for Mail protection and parcels , etc… imo
A “Ute” to me suggests an open back on the vehicle …

But JMO

Coincidentally, Google streetview (2010) shows an open-backed ute in the grassed driveway belonging to the post office, and a ute with a canopy parked in front.

May mean something, may mean nothing, but I remembered that we noticed this years ago.

https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.63...5H74UcYRJCuULhpmo_Og!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

 

[JLZ]

I don't understand why people are giving FFC two trips. If I was going to argue that something happened to William soon after 9:37, that she concealed William and other evidence in the course of a drive and returned just before MFC--I'd want to give her all that time for a single trip to get much further than the driving school and to find a good place.

You've all moved on but my mistake is annoying me. Of course, I meant riding school, not driving school.