Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #72

[Awakening]

In terms of where FGM's car may have been parked; the children were reportedly riding their bikes up and down the driveway that morning.

Often people move their cars elsewhere to allow kids to have the room to do this and to prevent your car been hit by a rider.

 

[Couldbe]

In terms of where FGM's car may have been parked; the children were reportedly riding their bikes up and down the driveway that morning.

Often people move their cars elsewhere to allow kids to have the room to do this and to prevent your car been hit by a rider.

JMO - When MFC is referring to a driveway at Benaroon, I wonder if he could be referring to the other driveway which leads to the garage which is under the house:
Inside the house where William Tyrrell was snatched from 13 months ago

 

[Chrissy74]

This makes sense considering FFGM's statement about MFC already being aware somehow.

Like others have suggested, I also believe whatever happened to William, happened just after the last picture was taken which changes the timeline and allows more than enough time for the FFC to dispose of evidence.

Going on accidental death theory:

Last photo 9.37
Accident between 9.38 am - 9.40 am
FFC discovery of fatality 9.42
FFGM completely unaware and sitting on verandah with other child
9.42 FFC in panic mode - can't lose other child and can't be seen as neglectful
9.44 FFC picks William up and places inside FFGM car - goes inside via front door to get car keys
9.47 drives to unknown destination to hide William - possible that she caught up with MFC along the way.

JMO

Yep

 

[Curiouskatz11]

Curiouskatz, do you think that is the same blue jacket (maybe not her dressing gown) in the Macca's photo?
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Actually Couldbe, I think you may be right. Looking again at the deck photo it probably is a jacket. Something about the photos bothers me and their timing so convenient. Would be interesting to see the full range taken.

 

[Couldbe]

Actually Couldbe, IJMO - think you may be right. Looking again at the deck photo it probably is a jacket. Something about the photos bothers me and their timing so convenient. Would be interesting to see the full range taken.

JMO - Were photos possibly downloaded from her phone to her camera... (to then have in one place for her photo book)....did FFC mean to only download 3 photos before then deleting from her phone? (Had LE, for some time, confiscated her camera, so she incorrectly remembered the number of photos that she had downloaded!

[Refer: ("M: I took the photo, I took three photos, I do photo books, of what we do as a family every year. So every time we go somewhere I have my camera and I just take pictures of what they’re doing, and I thought Mum’s getting old, be really good for William and his sister to have memories of being at Mum’s."]

 

[sleepinoz]

I am wondering what happened to 'photo 1101' ... and who was/were in the photograph ... obviously LE would be able to determine if it was created on that same morning ... and its time ?
JMO - it might have been withheld for an 'evidential' reason!
Of course, it may have been deleted (and why?).
The FFC had initially told LE that she had taken '3 photos'!(IN THEIR WORDS: William Tyrrell's parents talk of the day their boy went missing and the 'living nightmare' they endure)
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #71
The 5 photos that were released by the Coroner were taken within a 2min 39sec timespan.
9:35:05 (photo 1102)
9:35:19 (photo 1103)
9:35:28 (photo 1104)
9:37:29 (photo 1105)
9:37:44 (the famous pic)

Most likely didn't have William in it, it could have been of his sister, or it could have been from the day before or many many other reasons <modsnip>

 

[Chrissy74]

JMO - Were photos possibly downloaded from her phone to her camera... (to then have in one place for her photo book)....did FFC mean to only download 3 photos before then deleting from her phone? (Had LE, for some time, confiscated her camera, so she incorrectly remembered the number of photos that she had downloaded!

[Refer: ("M: I took the photo, I took three photos, I do photo books, of what we do as a family every year. So every time we go somewhere I have my camera and I just take pictures of what they’re doing, and I thought Mum’s getting old, be really good for William and his sister to have memories of being at Mum’s."]

it is possible to transfer photos from an iPhone to a memory card and obviously digital cameras have SD memory cards. It can definitely be done that’s for sure. The 3 photos that Ffc said she took of W that morning turned out to be 5 photos not 3. These 5 photos of W were released by the coroner. Digital photos are preferred over iPhone iPhone photos due to the picture quality. Clearly the photos on the net have been edited and modified over time so It would be interesting to see the quality of the originals. IMO The photos that were taken don’t reflect the above statement by Ffc. All but 1 are taken from a slight distance so you can’t even see what the kids were drawing or playing with clearly.

 

[Curiouskatz11]

Most likely didn't have William in it, it could have been of his sister, or it could have been from the day before or many many other reasons <modsnip>

You may well be right there! But within minutes of these photos being taken, William disappeared, and it’s hard not to look at them through the lens of what happened very soon after.

 

[sleepinoz]

You may well be right there! But within minutes of these photos being taken, William disappeared, and it’s hard not to look at them through the lens of what happened very soon after.

BBM - "Within Minutes" so your saying that the time of the Pic is correct @ 9:37 ? IMO it is as it has been stated in MSM a few times.

According to some reports his disappearance was around 10:10 - so 33 minutes is what is considered "within minutes" to enable a coverup that would fool Police for almost 8 years?

 

[sleepinoz]

it is possible to transfer photos from an iPhone to a memory card and obviously digital cameras have SD memory cards. It can definitely be done that’s for sure. The 3 photos that Ffc said she took of W that morning turned out to be 5 photos not 3. These 5 photos of W were released by the coroner. Digital photos are preferred over iPhone iPhone photos due to the picture quality. Clearly the photos on the net have been edited and modified over time so It would be interesting to see the quality of the originals. IMO The photos that were taken don’t reflect the above statement by Ffc. All but 1 are taken from a slight distance so you can’t even see what the kids were drawing or playing with clearly.

Do you know that the FM had an iPhone? Please provide a link if so.

 

[Chrissy74]

Do you know that the FM had an iPhone? Please provide a link if so.

Hi sleepinoz. No I don’t know if Ffc had an iPhone. My post certainly doesn’t say that the Ffc had a iPhone or used an iPhone nor does it suggest it. It was a general response to a question on whether or not it is possible to download photos from an iPhone to a camera.

 

[Megnut]

A hell of a lot of assumptions are being made here that William was so " out of control" hard to handle etc that morning & that the FFC was " at her wits end" ( she had said it was normal behaviour for a 3 yr old to her mother at one stage )

A big deal is being made of the "throwing" the dice etc, crashing his bike, not wanting to draw etc.

Time for some context maybe?

The dice game was very brief, 30-60 seconds, yep seconds! He wasn't "scolded" over not rolling the dice, it was explained to him that you roll it to see what number it lands on ect, hardly not co-operating IMO

The kid were also doing some of the drawing inside, it's not like William refused to do it at all!

He crashed the bike once, after seeing his sister do the same, hardly out of control imo

IMO he wasn't out of control, he was a 3 yr old boy , out of his usual environment with a short attention span, excited even maybe.......


As for the photos, why does anyone take photos?? To record a moment in time, we have no idea how many photos were taken that morning. Just because they aren't "posed" for photos doesn't make them at all "suspicious "IMO

They could have taken posed family photos that morning too, we just don't know, do we?

In the last photo I just don't see it as an "acting" up photo at all

All IMO of course

Agreed. I'm making many assumptions. But I'm trying to tie what we've learned about the new assault charges to the foster mother being the POI to the indisputable fact that Wm is and remains missing.

I don't think there was anything "off" in Wm's behavior! Delightful, busy boy!! I'm just wondering, postulating if tensions may have already been high and patience exceedingly low.

And yes, if Wm was alive and well and never missing, I'd never give that photo a second thought.

I don't intend over-reach. Certainly it's possible that it's was a happy, busy, normal and pleasant morning up to and through the minutes those photos were taken and no one knew what sadness lay in wait.

JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

She said he was roaring.  She said he was playing Daddy Tiger (and at a time "Daddy" wasn't there, no less). If we cancel those put on account of her credibility factor, why did she take photos? Why then, why those? And for whom?

FM explained in a podcast interview that they did the (FACS recommended) life story books with the children. The photos would have been included in their books.

I can't find an exact link to this information, but here is a WS post that says something about it.
And I know there are also more posts about it, way further back in the threads somewhere. When the relevant podcast was released.

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #63

The RSPCA inspects a property before you can adopt a dog that is an escape artist. But do they inspect every house that dog would potentially visit?

www.websleuths.com

Communities and Justice

The NSW Department of Communities and Justice is the lead agency in the new Stronger Communities Cluster. The new Stronger Communities Cluster brings together, and replaces, the Family and Communities and Justice Clusters.

www.facs.nsw.gov.au

 

[drsleuth]

JMO - Were photos possibly downloaded from her phone to her camera... (to then have in one place for her photo book)....did FFC mean to only download 3 photos before then deleting from her phone? (Had LE, for some time, confiscated her camera, so she incorrectly remembered the number of photos that she had downloaded!

[Refer: ("M: I took the photo, I took three photos, I do photo books, of what we do as a family every year. So every time we go somewhere I have my camera and I just take pictures of what they’re doing, and I thought Mum’s getting old, be really good for William and his sister to have memories of being at Mum’s."]

it is possible to transfer photos from an iPhone to a memory card and obviously digital cameras have SD memory cards. It can definitely be done that’s for sure. The 3 photos that Ffc said she took of W that morning turned out to be 5 photos not 3. These 5 photos of W were released by the coroner. Digital photos are preferred over iPhone iPhone photos due to the picture quality. Clearly the photos on the net have been edited and modified over time so It would be interesting to see the quality of the originals. IMO The photos that were taken don’t reflect the above statement by Ffc. All but 1 are taken from a slight distance so you can’t even see what the kids were drawing or playing with clearly.

Do you know that the FM had an iPhone? Please provide a link if so.

Hi sleepinoz. No I don’t know if Ffc had an iPhone. My post certainly doesn’t say that the Ffc had a iPhone or used an iPhone nor does it suggest it. It was a general response to a question on whether or not it is possible to download photos from an iPhone to a camera.

Actually, Couldbe never mentioned an iphone.

 

[Chrissy74]

Y

Actually, Couldbe never mentioned an iphone.

Yes Drsleuth you are right Couldbe’s post didn’t say iPhone. Admittedly given the context I assumed that phone was in reference to iPhone because it’s impossible to upload download or delete any pictures from a landline phone. My apologies if I miss read the post

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Y

Yes Drsleuth you are right Couldbe’s post didn’t say iPhone. Admittedly given the context I assumed that phone was in reference to iPhone because it’s impossible to upload download or delete any pictures from a landline phone. My apologies if I miss read the post

There is another popular mobile phone, android.

 

[Couldbe]

Y

Yes Drsleuth you are right Couldbe’s post didn’t say iPhone. Admittedly given the context I assumed that phone was in reference to iPhone because it’s impossible to upload download or delete any pictures from a landline phone. My apologies if I miss read the post

JMO - Doesn't really matter Chrissy/DrSleuth ....gave me some info on use of an iPhone in that regard.

This extract (very early on) just mentions 'the phone' ....
“The phone on which the last photograph of William was taken has been analysed — the photo was taken “within an hour” of his disappearance.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a&dest=https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/what-happened-to-missing-boy-william-tyrell/news-story/55fe696ecdf5361c3f164bec8bd03e4d&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=dynamic-hot-control-score&V21spcbehaviour=append

 

[sleepinoz]

JMO - Doesn't really matter Chrissy/DrSleuth ....gave me some info on use of an iPhone in that regard.

This extract (very early on) just mentions 'the phone' ....
“The phone on which the last photograph of William was taken has been analysed — the photo was taken “within an hour” of his disappearance.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a&dest=https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/what-happened-to-missing-boy-william-tyrell/news-story/55fe696ecdf5361c3f164bec8bd03e4d&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=dynamic-hot-control-score&V21spcbehaviour=append

IMO Even though the type of phone is probably irrelevant, actual facts do matter. This is how rumors are started, someone assumes and then others run with it and before long it grows legs. IMO Many catterpillers arround.

 

[drsleuth]

JMO - Doesn't really matter Chrissy/DrSleuth ....gave me some info on use of an iPhone in that regard.

This extract (very early on) just mentions 'the phone' ....
“The phone on which the last photograph of William was taken has been analysed — the photo was taken “within an hour” of his disappearance.”
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a&dest=https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/what-happened-to-missing-boy-william-tyrell/news-story/55fe696ecdf5361c3f164bec8bd03e4d&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=dynamic-hot-control-score&V21spcbehaviour=append

The FFC clearly used her digital camera, this was stated as fact at the inquest many times.

I'm sure everything to do with those photos taken that day have been gone over forensically.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

IMO Even though the type of phone is probably irrelevant, actual facts do matter. This is how rumors are started, someone assumes and then others run with it and before long it grows legs. IMO Many catterpillers arround.

I think the speculation is about the capabilities of a phone, if they're to do it properly, it'd have to include Android as well as an iPhone, imo. Saying an iPhone in reference to a phone without knowledge of what kind it is, is like saying Hoover for a vacuum.

But some of these news reports were wrong, the photos were taken by a camera bought in Bali.
If a sleuther chooses to ignore this information and conclude it's possible to fool forensics, and that somehow the original pics were taken by a iPhone, or an Android phone and transferred to the camera, ok, all well and good, but both types of phones need to be considered in their hypothesis.
JMO