Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #73

[bearbear]

why would ffc hand william over to someone though instead of just telling facs she couldnt cope with him and get him into another foster home?

 

[deugirtni]

why would ffc hand william over to someone though instead of just telling facs she couldnt cope with him and get him into another foster home?

Just my opinion, but I believe FACS would have insisted the two children remain together in a home. FM had apparently developed a bond with the girl, but not so much with W, from what I understand. If he was seen to be the problem-child, seen to be creating issues with FM, his sister, perhaps even between FM and FD in their own relationship(?), who knows? If they wanted to give W back and get him into a different home, but keep his sister, that may have not been on the table as a possibility. That is the same, imho, for if W had an accident - if FACS would then have been under pressure to remove any remaining foster children from the home in such a case, they would also most likely be looking at losing his sister. imo.

 

[deugirtni]

Possibly via a fake ID.. for a child adopted from outside of the country at age 3? We hear lots about identity theft, human trafficking, fake IDs, etc., so some must be getting away with it somehow? If LE didnt do appropriate investigations in the beginning, is it possible someone could've very quickly left the country with him, to be raised somewhere else where things are scrutinized the same way? Or... just toss my thought in the not-possible bin?

PS Sorry, this above was meant to say 'where things are NOT scrutinized the same way'. ugh. I typed the exact opposite of what I meant.

 

[SouthAussie]

Just my opinion, but I believe FACS would have insisted the two children remain together in a home.

I don't think so.

While children's services like to keep families together, if they can, there is a documented shortage of foster parents. I doubt that child services could be so picky.

William and his sister would not be the only siblings requiring foster placement. I think the 'demand' (on the system) for joint foster placement would be high, and the supply of homes that could accept/manage joint placement would be low. imo


This paywalled article (dated 15th Nov 2021) speaks of the NSW foster crisis and how children are spending a long time being warehoused before a foster home can be found for them.

It says that the average time a removed child remains in 'alternative care' prior to finding a foster home is 41 days. About 1/3 of removed children wait longer than 90 days. And one example in the article had spent almost a year (334 days at the time of the article) in alternative care ... and there was still no foster home for him.

NSW foster crisis – government ‘warehousing’ children in hotels, motels and apartments

 

[iiiii's]

I don't think so.

While children's services like to keep families together, if they can, there is a documented shortage of foster parents. I doubt that child services could be so picky.

William and his sister would not be the only siblings requiring foster placement. I think the 'demand' (on the system) for joint foster placement would be high, and the supply of homes that could accept/manage joint placement would be low. imo


This paywalled article (dated 15th Nov 2021) speaks of the NSW foster crisis and how children are spending a long time being warehoused before a foster home can be found for them.

It says that the average time a removed child remains in 'alternative care' prior to finding a foster home is 41 days. About 1/3 of removed children wait longer than 90 days. And one example in the article had spent almost a year (334 days at the time of the article) in alternative care ... and there was still no foster home for him.

NSW foster crisis – government ‘warehousing’ children in hotels, motels and apartments

So, it was really miraculous in a way that WT had no waiting time at all when he was removed from the BP's care?! He was never placed into alternative care before being housed with the FFCs.... And Lindsay was with permanent carers however that changed with WT's ordered removal?

 

[LolaAngelina]

So, it was really miraculous in a way that WT had no waiting time at all when he was removed from the BP's care?! He was never placed into alternative care before being housed with the FFCs.... And Lindsay was with permanent carers however that changed with WT's ordered removal?

The fosters had already been asked to take William and then the bios ran off with him. Lindsay had permanent care orders, not with any carers in particular. I would assume that FACS wanted to keep the siblings together and the family Lindsay was with werent able to take both siblings. So Lindsay arrived first while they searched for William.

 

[Couldbe]

JMO - The mystery of what happened in the disappearance of William can be solved by someone ….. there is no evidence to show that he was taken / no evidence to support that he wandered away from 48 Benaroon Drive / no evidence of his body being buried in the vicinity of 48 Benaroon Drive.

Rosann “Detective Chief Inspector David Laidlaw said further information had come to light after a review of materials gathered by investigators over the seven-year period of William's disappearance.” (Twist in the disappearance of missing toddler William Tyrrell )

The fact that further information has come to light (after 7 years) gives us hope that even more information can be forthcoming but, in my opinion, a confession will not be forthcoming and the circumstances surrounding that fateful morning are still being pieced together by Strikeforce Rosann.

 

[FromGermany1]

Update in case of 'Aussie's Maddie McCann', 3, who vanished from garden

POLICE have vowed to continue the search for a missing three-year-old who vanished from his foster gran’s garden eight years ago. William Tyrrell was last seen wearing his beloved Spider-Man …

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[FromGermany1]

DM has news about bio mum, unfortunately.

 

[drsleuth]

William Tyrrell birth mum on fresh charges after boyfriend assault

William Tyrrell's birth mother has been charged with stalking a woman and sharing intimate photos of her after pleading guilty to seriously assaulting her boyfriend.

www.dailymail.co.uk

EXCLUSIVE: William Tyrrell's birth mum is expecting another baby eight years after he vanished - as she faces fresh charges of stalking a woman and sharing 'intimate' photos just weeks after assault on her boyfriend​

William Tyrrell's birth mother has been charged with stalking a woman and sharing intimate photos of her, two weeks after pleading guilty to seriously assaulting her boyfriend.

She is on bail and due in Hornsby Local Court in Sydney next month on charges of assault, stalking, using a carriage service to menace or harass and sharing an intimate image without consent.

The boyfriend, 32, has a two-year Apprehended Violence Order in place against her after he was assaulted at a bus stop last month.

 

[Marg944]

William's former foster carers charges of dishonestly obtaining financial advantage by deception, by organising fake bidders to bid on a property they were auctioning back in December 2020, was listed for mention in Hornsby Court today, 20th October.
Deception

 

[Chrissy74]

JMO - The mystery of what happened in the disappearance of William can be solved by someone ….. there is no evidence to show that he was taken / no evidence to support that he wandered away from 48 Benaroon Drive / no evidence of his body being buried in the vicinity of 48 Benaroon Drive.

Rosann “Detective Chief Inspector David Laidlaw said further information had come to light after a review of materials gathered by investigators over the seven-year period of William's disappearance.” (Twist in the disappearance of missing toddler William Tyrrell )

The fact that further information has come to light (after 7 years) gives us hope that even more information can be forthcoming but, in my opinion, a confession will not be forthcoming and the circumstances surrounding that fateful morning are still being pieced together by Strikeforce Rosann.

<modsnip: Rude and personalizing> In the absence of a confession, every piece of evidence needs to be examined thoroughly and it goes without saying, its a time consuming process. The biggest piece of evidence was released by the coroner during the inquest being the fc walkthroughs and most importantly the last photos of W. Why release this information if it wasn’t in question? And it’s still in question until the coroner herself states otherwise. The 2hr discrepancy on the timestamps of the last photos of W have not been validated or ruled out. Quite the opposite. <modsnip: Removed opinion stated as fact>

 

[SouthAussie]

William Tyrrell birth mum on fresh charges after boyfriend assault

William Tyrrell's birth mother has been charged with stalking a woman and sharing intimate photos of her after pleading guilty to seriously assaulting her boyfriend.

www.dailymail.co.uk

EXCLUSIVE: William Tyrrell's birth mum is expecting another baby eight years after he vanished - as she faces fresh charges of stalking a woman and sharing 'intimate' photos just weeks after assault on her boyfriend​

William Tyrrell's birth mother has been charged with stalking a woman and sharing intimate photos of her, two weeks after pleading guilty to seriously assaulting her boyfriend.

She is on bail and due in Hornsby Local Court in Sydney next month on charges of assault, stalking, using a carriage service to menace or harass and sharing an intimate image without consent.

The boyfriend, 32, has a two-year Apprehended Violence Order in place against her after he was assaulted at a bus stop last month.

Interesting that even the DM is now stating that nothing was found in the big dig of Nov 2021.

" ..... despite multiple searches including a high intensity dig for his remains last November, no trace of the toddler or the Spiderman suit he was wearing has been found."

 

[Marg944]

William Tyrrell's foster parents face fraud trial for allegedly organising 'dummy bids' at the auction of their luxury $4.1m home - as photos emerge of wealthy couple's tropical getaway​

...

As the pair await a trial date to be set for a charge each of dishonestly obtaining financial advantage by deception, photos have emerged of the wealthy couple on a luxury beach resort holiday.

Police allege the husband and wife, aged 55 and 57, organised a third party to falsely bid for their property, and will play conversations recorded on a listening device at the court hearing.

...

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Fosters to face trial

 

[SouthAussie]

<RSBM>


As the pair await a trial date to be set for a charge each of dishonestly obtaining financial advantage by deception, photos have emerged of the wealthy couple on a luxury beach resort holiday.

"But in photos posted online the couple are believed to have enjoyed a holiday in Far North Queensland in the tropical resort town of Port Douglas, although it is unclear if the holiday was in July this year or earlier."

"The foster father posted online images .... "


I think the DM is dragging pics into the story that they don't even know when the pics were taken.
Are they stalking the FF? (And the BM?)

 

[katydid23]

William Tyrrell's foster parents face fraud trial for allegedly organising 'dummy bids' at the auction of their luxury $4.1m home - as photos emerge of wealthy couple's tropical getaway​

William Tyrrell's foster parents are set to face trial for allegedly organising 'dummy' bids for the auction of their $4.1m 'forever home' on Sydney's North Shore.

As the pair await a trial date to be set for a charge each of dishonestly obtaining financial advantage by deception, photos have emerged of the wealthy couple on a luxury beach resort holiday.

Police allege the husband and wife, aged 55 and 57, organised a third party to falsely bid for their property, and will play conversations recorded on a listening device at the court hearing.

The North Shore house intended to be their 'forever' home had a specially decorated room for the missing toddler should William ever return.

The foster mother and father intend to plead not guilty to the charges in Hornsby Local Court.

The couple, who cannot be identified, now live in an another exclusive Sydney suburb after selling the beautifully renovated house in 2020.
Fosters to face trial

I am curious about this charge. If the Task Force was not targeting them as POI's in William's case, would these 'dummy bid' charges have been brought forth ?

From everything I have read, this is illegal, but also very common. Usually it brings a fine, if it is discovered and proven.
I am somewhat sceptical.

 

[FromGermany1]

William Tyrrell's foster parents face fraud trial for allegedly organising 'dummy bids' at the auction of their luxury $4.1m home - as photos emerge of wealthy couple's tropical getaway​

...

As the pair await a trial date to be set for a charge each of dishonestly obtaining financial advantage by deception, photos have emerged of the wealthy couple on a luxury beach resort holiday.

Police allege the husband and wife, aged 55 and 57, organised a third party to falsely bid for their property, and will play conversations recorded on a listening device at the court hearing.

...

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Fosters to face trial

It shows, the FP were monitored and it shows also, they just aren't honest people. We don't have to believe everything, they had/have to say as "sad, loss-stricken" FP. They have no qualms about being dishonest. Good to know. IMO

 

[Couldbe]

<modsnip: Rude and personalizing> In the absence of a confession, every piece of evidence needs to be examined thoroughly and it goes without saying, its a time consuming process. The biggest piece of evidence was released by the coroner during the inquest being the fc walkthroughs and most importantly the last photos of W. Why release this information if it wasn’t in question? And it’s still in question until the coroner herself states otherwise. The 2hr discrepancy on the timestamps of the last photos of W have not been validated or ruled out. Quite the opposite. <modsnip: Removed opinion stated as fact>

JMO - Strikeforce Rosann may be in possession of pertinent evidence in relation to the activities of the FFC / and MFC that relates to some of their behavoural activities and that could have a bearing on the case of William's disappearance.
If so, then maybe Rosann cannot release it to the Public ..... because of the NPO that currently protects the identifying of the FFC and MFC. Just saying .....

 

[SouthAussie]

When I read the Coronial Findings that were just released in Theo Hayez's case, I can imagine the same kind of Coronial Findings in William's case.

Essentially, there is not enough evidence to say that Theo disappeared through his own misadventure or through foul play. But the Coroner felt there was enough there to say that Theo is deceased.

imo

 

[Couldbe]

When I read the Coronial Findings that were just released in Theo Hayez's case, I can imagine the same kind of Coronial Findings in William's case.

Essentially, there is not enough evidence to say that Theo disappeared through his own misadventure or through foul play. But the Coroner felt there was enough there to say that Theo is deceased.

imo

Totally understand pre-empting that outcome, and I am reminded of:

‘We will not give up’: William Tyrrell’s foster parents speak out in rare chat
“While it has been five years since the little boy vanished from his foster grandmother’s home, memories of the toddler still remain imprinted in the minds of his foster parents who described having an immediate connection with the child.”
“But the couple have claimed they will never give up the search for the toddler, vowing to always remain hopeful that he is still alive.”
"Till my last breath, we will not give up on William,” his foster dad said.”