Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #73

[JLZ]

"Unregistered homeschool numbers are hard to estimate but some believe it to be at least 30% of the general homeschool community. Reasons for not registering include the difficult registration process, parents travelling, and educational autonomy for the parents."

Homeschooling in Australia: FAQ 2024 | My Homeschool

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(In the section called "How many homeschoolers are there in Australia?")​

Yes. Also in my link:

However, it’s difficult to know the true numbers, as apparently many homeschoolers in Australia are not registered.

I’ve seen estimates ranging from 1/3 to 1/2 of homeschoolers not being registered, but it’s impossible to know. Just assume there are many more out there than the numbers state.

and:

Registering to homeschool is a legal requirement.

That's part of what I found interesting.

 

[FromGermany1]

In the absence of any strong evidence of what really happened to William, we can only focus on the things that we do know, things that we have seen with our own eyes and heard with our own ears. These include:

1) 000 call
2) Interviews
3) Statements
4) History of William
5) News reports
6) Charges against FFC and MFC

When we start at NUMBER 1, I have immediately doubted the subsequent comments from the FFC that are contradictory to things she said in the 000 call. This cannot be disputed. In many prosecutions the perpetrator is caught out by the lies they tell and obvious changes to their stories later on.

Why has FFC changed her story many times since the 000 call? Why has FFC been very evasive when answering direct questions about William that morning, trying to give colourful and descriptive answers instead of direct and concise?

If there was information to focus on another POI I would, but I can't simply focus on the boogie man.

bbm
Perhaps "boogie man" PLUS at least one of the 3-adults-family. It seems so very logical to me, I can't help at the moment (the moment, that has lasted already for a long time).

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes. Also in my link:

However, it’s difficult to know the true numbers, as apparently many homeschoolers in Australia are not registered.

I’ve seen estimates ranging from 1/3 to 1/2 of homeschoolers not being registered, but it’s impossible to know. Just assume there are many more out there than the numbers state.

and:

Registering to homeschool is a legal requirement.

That's part of what I found interesting.

This could be applicable to William (if he is alive) because he presumably had never been on a school list, prior to his disappearance.
It sounds like it would be hard for the education dept to get on your case if your child has never been registered in any school (or for prior home schooling). In other words, they are yet to know about your child's existence for educational purposes.

And, more importantly, he wouldn't be known as William Tyrrell now. And likely doesn't have a birth certificate to use in his registration for school.


"If you are not registered, the only thing that will happen is that you will be asked to register with NESA. If you persist to fail to comply with the above steps, then the end worst case scenario is that you could be charged with “educational neglect”. This is very very rare and reserved for those who repeatedly refuse to register under the act.

If you are reported, simply register your children. Children who have never attended any schools are not on any lists."

Legal – Ed Consult

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[Couldbe]

When the MFC and FFC (thinking they were being targeted as persons of interest in the disappearance of William) were being questioned by the NSWCC it may very well be possible that they wanted to try and avoid giving answers that would show that they may have lied to Detectives earlier. If that purposeful avoidance involved other ‘stretching of the truths’, then they would have made things worse for themselves. MOO

 

[Warshawski]

IF someone had him, and was therefore homeschooling him, he'd def be going by another name. Would be interested to know if LE has done any checks into homeschoolers.. but I guess he could be in any jurisdiction, so overwhelming to consider such a thing.

IMO, the question also is, would someone who takes a child, be inclined to want then part of the ‘system’ for schooling or otherwise.

Not having personal experience in child abduction, I can’t speak definitively, but i tend to think not. The risk of exposure would be far too high.

 

[Warshawski]

Yes. Also in my link:

However, it’s difficult to know the true numbers, as apparently many homeschoolers in Australia are not registered.

I’ve seen estimates ranging from 1/3 to 1/2 of homeschoolers not being registered, but it’s impossible to know. Just assume there are many more out there than the numbers state.

and:

Registering to homeschool is a legal requirement.

That's part of what I found interesting.

Couldn’t help but chuckle at the BBM - those living ‘outside the law’ don’t give a rats about what might be a legal requirement

 

[deugirtni]

IMO, the question also is, would someone who takes a child, be inclined to want then part of the ‘system’ for schooling or otherwise.

Not having personal experience in child abduction, I can’t speak definitively, but i tend to think not. The risk of exposure would be far too high.

Just for me, personally, imo, I'm not buying into the pedo theory at all.. so when I even consider that he could have been 'handed off' to someone, I think in terms of him going to a family that wanted a child to raise as their own. There seems to be zero evidence of any theory (as far as we know about), whether accident and coverup, stolen by pedos, planned murder, little boy lost, etc., so I figure being with another family is just as valid a possibility as the rest. If he IS with a family who wanted to raise him as their own, he'd have to be in some kind of schooling, as far as I'm concerned, or his options may be very limited for furthering any educational/career pursuits later on, which wouldn't be in his best interests. He could still avoid attending public school by being homeschooled, and nobody might therefore ever know what the child looked like.. I just wondered how much oversight your government gives to homeschooling parents.

 

[JLZ]

Just for me, personally, imo, I'm not buying into the pedo theory at all.. so when I even consider that he could have been 'handed off' to someone, I think in terms of him going to a family that wanted a child to raise as their own. There seems to be zero evidence of any theory (as far as we know about), whether accident and coverup, stolen by pedos, planned murder, little boy lost, etc., so I figure being with another family is just as valid a possibility as the rest. If he IS with a family who wanted to raise him as their own, he'd have to be in some kind of schooling, as far as I'm concerned, or his options may be very limited for furthering any educational/career pursuits later on, which wouldn't be in his best interests. He could still avoid attending public school by being homeschooled, and nobody might therefore ever know what the child looked like.. I just wondered how much oversight your government gives to homeschooling parents.

I think health care would be a bigger obstacle. A Medicare card is effectively an Australian identity card.

 

[deugirtni]

I think health care would be a bigger obstacle. A Medicare card is effectively an Australian identity card.

But aren't there ways to steal others' identities and get IDs?

 

[deugirtni]

I think health care would be a bigger obstacle. A Medicare card is effectively an Australian identity card.

Also.. even if no fake IDs.. isn't it possible for someone to show up with a child at a walk-in clinic or something, and say they're just babysitting for a day or two, and the child's health card wasn't left with the carer? I'd be thinking of someone more or less 'living off the grid'.. likely visiting doctors as little as possible.

 

[Warshawski]

This could be applicable to William (if he is alive) because he presumably had never been on a school list, prior to his disappearance.
It sounds like it would be hard for the education dept to get on your case if your child has never been registered in any school (or for prior home schooling). In other words, they are yet to know about your child's existence for educational purposes.

And, more importantly, he wouldn't be known as William Tyrrell now. And likely doesn't have a birth certificate to use in his registration for school.


"If you are not registered, the only thing that will happen is that you will be asked to register with NESA. If you persist to fail to comply with the above steps, then the end worst case scenario is that you could be charged with “educational neglect”. This is very very rare and reserved for those who repeatedly refuse to register under the act.

If you are reported, simply register your children. Children who have never attended any schools are not on any lists."

Legal – Ed Consult

Posts about Legal written by Ed Consult

edconsult.com.au

interesting reading SA, thanks for posting.

I find it interesting that a Child can effectively fly under the Education Radar ( and perhaps therefore the ‘existence’ radar) in this country simply by those responsible for them failing to enrol them in the education system. Surely there’s an opportunity for some correlation with Birth records etc.

In William’s case, his existence was well-documented in Gov systems as well as in his ‘day care’ system.

however, as we all know, sadly his ‘removal’ from possible existence has also been well documented. .. which opens the door to anything ..

 

[Warshawski]

bbm
Perhaps "boogie man" PLUS at least one of the 3-adults-family. It seems so very logical to me, I can't help at the moment (the moment, that has lasted already for a long time).

i wish too that I could help with answers.

This is not some TV show or Book reading that we’re all caught up in.

This is real. It’s about a missing little Boy.. and so I think about the pain & frustration & answers we want .. and then I think about all those who actually knew him, those who created & delivered him, those who played & colluded with him, those who met him, exchanged a glance or a grin or an experience - I think about the people who are experiencing the loss of a child in its truest sense, and of the destruction that can can bring.

This is all so wrong & so cruel on so many levels. I think all we can do FromGermany is place our Trust. We may have a long wait, but I do believe the answers will come.

 

[Warshawski]

Just for me, personally, imo, I'm not buying into the pedo theory at all.. so when I even consider that he could have been 'handed off' to someone, I think in terms of him going to a family that wanted a child to raise as their own. There seems to be zero evidence of any theory (as far as we know about), whether accident and coverup, stolen by pedos, planned murder, little boy lost, etc., so I figure being with another family is just as valid a possibility as the rest. If he IS with a family who wanted to raise him as their own, he'd have to be in some kind of schooling, as far as I'm concerned, or his options may be very limited for furthering any educational/career pursuits later on, which wouldn't be in his best interests. He could still avoid attending public school by being homeschooled, and nobody might therefore ever know what the child looked like.. I just wondered how much oversight your government gives to homeschooling parents.

likewise D - I’m not buying the pedo abduction .

but I do think it may be possible to ‘acquire’ a child & to live happily ‘off the grid’ so to speak. ..someone posted (apologies to that Poster for my mind fail ) a very good article that suggested to me those possibilities, since apparently the education system records of attendance/attendees only start with the enrolment of a child !

i also suggest that its quite feasible to educate a child outside of the schooling system.

My father is /was a great example as he never had a day of ‘schooling’ in his life. He grew up in the bush, and as the eldest child / son of an ageing father, he had a role to play in the success of their business, and his Mum provided her input. Dad was a clever man, he was the local (un-certified) Vet, Dr, Barber, Horse Breaker, Dog Trainer, Wool Grower turned Cattle Breeder, Bushfire Warden/ Fighter, Mechanic, Builder, Mate & Yarn Spinner - who grew a successful life & family out of no formal education.
I was educated by my very capable Mother until I went to Boarding school, into age appropriate Gr 6 here in Aus. After some huge shocks & learning adjustments, I topped the class in Grade 7 & from then on until I left that school after Grade 10 graduation & moved with a scholarship to city schooling for Senior years . ..
I’m no flippin brainiac professor. Nor am I a braggart. These days I struggle to find my keys!
I’m not saying any of the above for any reason other than to provide an example of how it is possible to become educated outside of ‘the system’

 

[deugirtni]

likewise D - I’m not buying the pedo abduction .

but I do think it may be possible to ‘acquire’ a child & to live happily ‘off the grid’ so to speak. ..someone posted (apologies to that Poster for my mind fail ) a very good article that suggested to me those possibilities, since apparently the education system records of attendance/attendees only start with the enrolment of a child !

i also suggest that its quite feasible to educate a child outside of the schooling system.

My father is /was a great example as he never had a day of ‘schooling’ in his life. He grew up in the bush, and as the eldest child / son of an ageing father, he had a role to play in the success of their business, and his Mum provided her input. Dad was a clever man, he was the local (un-certified) Vet, Dr, Barber, Horse Breaker, Dog Trainer, Wool Grower turned Cattle Breeder, Bushfire Warden/ Fighter, Mechanic, Builder, Mate & Yarn Spinner - who grew a successful life & family out of no formal education.
I was educated by my very capable Mother until I went to Boarding school, into age appropriate Gr 6 here in Aus. After some huge shocks & learning adjustments, I topped the class in Grade 7 & from then on until I left that school after Grade 10 graduation & moved with a scholarship to city schooling for Senior years . ..
I’m no flippin brainiac professor. Nor am I a braggart. These days I struggle to find my keys!
I’m not saying any of the above for any reason other than to provide an example of how it is possible to become educated outside of ‘the system’

To me, it is just as likely that the carers could have potentially given or sold him to someone, as it is that they could have lost their cool, or ran him over with their car, and hid it, or even worse, murdered him on purpose. FM has been reported to be a POI, the only POI, but we don't really know what LE is thinking... harm by way of accident? On purpose?? Handing off to someone else because he was perhaps too much to handle - perhaps someone who really really wanted a beautiful little boy of their own? And in the latter case, they'd likely want to keep him off grid, but yet still afford him future opportunities that might not be available if not 'formally' educated.

I'm not disagreeing with what you've said at all... many many extremely successful and intelligent people were not educated through official schooling. What I'm saying is.. if a family who wanted a toddler to raise as their own has W, imo it would be unfair to him to NOT register him through official homeschooling (under false names/IDs).. (at least, if it works the same there as it does here), because there are times during education when the kids have to be 'tested' to see how they are doing in relation to everyone else (at least they are here in Canada).. and IF the child later wanted to say, go to university or whatever, they need to have certain marks in things, and/or passed some types of universal testing, etc., in order to proceed.. say they wanted to become a lawyer or whatever, or a doc.. this theory is not likely in this case for sure, but.. if LE is looking into EVERY possibility, I was thinking they should also be checking into home schooling people.. but.. when I really think on it, it's just too big to even think about, considering that if alive, he could be living anywhere, he could've been enrolled at any time (not the time we may be expecting), and he may be listed as a different age than he actually is.. so.. impossible really. Just really sorting out thoughts here.

 

[FromGermany1]

But aren't there ways to steal others' identities and get IDs?

Even possible to buy an ID for a child, perhaps. Maybe in Bali?

 

[Detective Willy]

IMO a fair degree of planning went into "disposing" of William (sorry to use this word).

This has been one of the highest profile missing person cases in Australia's history and after 8 years, there are still so many questions and so few answers.

The $1M reward should have flushed out information if "someone knew something".

That is of course unless 2 people acted together and can't volunteer information without implicating each other?

 

[Couldbe]

IMO a fair degree of planning went into "disposing" of William (sorry to use this word).

This has been one of the highest profile missing person cases in Australia's history and after 8 years, there are still so many questions and so few answers.

The $1M reward should have flushed out information if "someone knew something".

That is of course unless 2 people acted together and can't volunteer information without implicating each other?

JMO - The Fosters have maintained that they went to visit FFGM one day earlier to surprise her (and the children). Because FFGM was still recovering from a Flu virus, that surprise for her may not have been a very welcomed surprise.....the Foster family would have imposed much energetic activity that she would rather not have had .... so it may not have been a good idea for the Fosters to change their plans for that reason alone! MOO

 

[JLZ]

Also.. even if no fake IDs.. isn't it possible for someone to show up with a child at a walk-in clinic or something, and say they're just babysitting for a day or two, and the child's health card wasn't left with the carer? I'd be thinking of someone more or less 'living off the grid'.. likely visiting doctors as little as possible.

There would be an argument. In theory you can pay the account in full and take the receipt to Medicare afterwards to claim a partial refund (or not--the clinic wouldn't know if you didn't). The clinic admin will not want you near a doctor until you've handed over your Medicare details, regardless of how you decide to pay. If you don't have a Medicare card because you're not an Australian and say so, that's one thing. But babysitting is a poor excuse. Why aren't you taking the child to his usual doctor (who already has the card details and will only reinspect the card once a year), and can't you call someone to get the number on the card? Then if the doctor wants to write a prescription or a referral or a test request, again the Medicare details are wanted to go on those documents. Pharmacies too, you give them the prescription from the doctor with the Medicare details written on it, but they also insist on having seen the card for themselves. In short, you'd be drawing attention to yourself by not presenting your card (or at least card number) to the GP clinic, more so if you tried it a second time at the same place, and you'd stick out on their computer system. Not what you want if you're trying to go unobserved. Medicare cards are also good contributors to 100 point checks, so without one it's harder to prove your identity for other purposes.

 

[drsleuth]

IMO a fair degree of planning went into "disposing" of William (sorry to use this word).

This has been one of the highest profile missing person cases in Australia's history and after 8 years, there are still so many questions and so few answers.

The $1M reward should have flushed out information if "someone knew something".

That is of course unless 2 people acted together and can't volunteer information without implicating each other?

There are many $1M rewards which have not flushed out any information, if someone knew something.

Rewards Offered - NSW Police Public Site

www.police.nsw.gov.au

 

[Detective Willy]

There are many $1M rewards which have not flushed out any information, if someone knew something.

Rewards Offered - NSW Police Public Site

www.police.nsw.gov.au

Good Info sleuth and this is for NSW Only:

$1M reward - 39 cases
$750k reward - 2 cases
$500k reward - 10 cases
$350k reward - 4 cases
$300k reward - 1 case
$250k reward - 10 cases
$200k reward - 7 cases
$150k reward - 1 case
$100k reward - 66 cases
$50k reward - 3 cases

This is $58M of reward money up for grabs across 143 unsolved homicide cases in NSW.

If anything, this statistic highlights how easy is seems to be to get away with murder?

I honestly had no idea that there were so many $1M rewards on offer! 39 is massive.