Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #73

[SouthAussie]

I think there was a belief that the FFC did not take her mobile with her when she took William's Grandmother's car for the short drive and perhaps that she had her mobile switched off.

Also because she had her mobile switched off she didn't receive the text/message from the MFC saying back in 5 minutes.

The mobile signal was pretty scatty in the Kendall area in 2014. Way back in the threads we have posted various articles that spoke of the unreliable mobile reception, and how improvements were planned.

I don't think I have ever read or heard that FM's phone was switched off.

bearbear posted this article back in Feb 2018. It speaks of the dodgy reception.

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

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Looks like the article is now paywalled. In 2018, it wasn't paywalled because this is what I quoted from the article (in a post a little further down from bearbear's post).

"Other residents spoke of black spots on the Pacific Highway, Lake Cathie, Camden Haven and Kendall ..... "

"Veronica Richards from Bonny Hills doesn't get coverage in her home and her internet speed is frequently slow.
"I want to get a smart phone but I wouldn't while I can't get any coverage", she said.
"My friends say they have sent me messages and three days later I will be in town and all these messages will come through".

(I quoted the part about Bonny Hills because we were looking at why Spedding didn't get FM's phone call.)

 

[Couldbe]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/william-tyrrells-disappearance-inquest-shown-police-video/video/2176dd43c10dddf5fde3a037171f7116

I just want to clarify the bolded text???

At 4.02 on the video the Police Officer asks the MFC :-

"At what point - who called the police" - MFC replies bleep(bleeped out FFC's name).

Police Officer asks "Is that a discussion at all between yourself and bleep (bleeped out FFC's name) or "

MFC replies - "I saw bleep (bleeped out FFC's name) on the phone"

Who was FFC on the phone to when the MFC said she was on the phone - just before she calls the police??

Also was this the landline or her mobile.

If we take the timeline that the MFC came back at 10.35 and then went searching for William until maybe 10.50 when he approaches FFC on the phone.

15 minutes of searching the yards

10.56 call to Police

'She's a very decent human being': Former detective Gary Jubelin stands up for foster mother - Ben Fordham Live

The former chief detective in the William Tyrrell case has defended the way it was handled amid new revelations.

omny.fm

At 4.41 Ben Fordham in this interview with Detective Jubelin asks him does the FFC have a second phone?

Why would their be a need for a second phone and why would anyone think the FFC would have a second phone - any thoughts?

MOO

Nightrider, this is my attempt to address some of your points:-

Your point: Who was FFC on the phone to when the MFC said she was on the phone - just before she calls the police??
...... Maybe FACS? .... but I think she contacted them after midday (Can'f locate the link).

The vital minutes which could answer what REALLY happened to William
“After searching inside and underneath the house, the foster mother said she asked a neighbour to help look for William before jumping in her mother's car.”

“About 10.30am, William's foster father texted his wife to say he was returning home after buying newspapers nearby.
The foster mother said she saw the text after she had started looking for William.”

MOO - Question: FFC said that she had suggested that William go down and look for MFC returning …. Why would she suggest William do that BEFORE receiving the text from MFC?

William Tyrrell foster father quizzed over mystery phone
“William Tyrrell's foster father was interrogated about a mystery phone registered in his name which was disconnected just three days before his foster son vanished.”
'I wonder whether than might have been (the foster mother's) what do you call it, you know the internet cards ... no idea.'
Suggestion: Maybe that Mobile Camera was used for photographing the foster children.

 

[FromGermany1]

“About 10.30am, William's foster father texted his wife to say he was returning home after buying newspapers nearby.
The foster mother said she saw the text after she had started looking for William.”

MOO - Question: FFC said that she had suggested that William go down and look for MFC returning …. Why would she suggest William do that BEFORE receiving the text from MFC?

Your bolded text:
So that there would be finally peace?? Because little W annoyed everyone with his bad mood and impatience?

 

[SouthAussie]

Your bolded text:
So that there would be finally peace?? Because little W annoyed everyone with his bad mood and impatience?

Or .... to keep an active and happy little boy busy. As many of us who have had active and happy little children have done.

imo

 

[Couldbe]

Your bolded text:
So that there would be finally peace?? Because little W annoyed everyone with his bad mood and impatience?

Moo - Did FFC not consider that she was sending William down there to look out for the MFC .... who may not arrived for another half-hour, and maybe he had been delayed for whatever reason (because she had not received the text 'home in five' ... as apparently was his usual habit).

 

[SouthAussie]

Moo - Did FFC not consider that she was sending William down there to look out for the MFC .... who may not arrived for another half-hour, and maybe he had been delayed for whatever reason (because she had not received the text 'home in five' ... as apparently was his usual habit).

Perhaps some here have never said to their child .... "Is daddy coming? Why don't you have a look?" Knowing full well that while daddy will be home soon, he probably won't be home at the moment.

I think it is a fairly common distraction that a parent provides to a young child. The child then runs back and forth giving you 'updates'.

There are very common parental actions being referenced as unusual or puzzling. imo

 

[JLZ]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/william-tyrrells-disappearance-inquest-shown-police-video/video/2176dd43c10dddf5fde3a037171f7116

I just want to clarify the bolded text???

At 4.02 on the video the Police Officer asks the MFC :-

"At what point - who called the police" - MFC replies bleep(bleeped out FFC's name).

Police Officer asks "Is that a discussion at all between yourself and bleep (bleeped out FFC's name) or "

MFC replies - "I saw bleep (bleeped out FFC's name) on the phone"

Who was FFC on the phone to when the MFC said she was on the phone - just before she calls the police??

Also was this the landline or her mobile.

If we take the timeline that the MFC came back at 10.35 and then went searching for William until maybe 10.50 when he approaches FFC on the phone.

15 minutes of searching the yards

10.56 call to Police

'She's a very decent human being': Former detective Gary Jubelin stands up for foster mother - Ben Fordham Live

The former chief detective in the William Tyrrell case has defended the way it was handled amid new revelations.

omny.fm

At 4.41 Ben Fordham in this interview with Detective Jubelin asks him does the FFC have a second phone?

Why would their be a need for a second phone and why would anyone think the FFC would have a second phone - any thoughts?

MOO

Wait, is there anything else to say that FFC made a call just before calling the police? Because my interpretation of what MFC said here, is that he is answering the police officer's question of whether there was a discussion between the pair about calling the police (and implied question, how/when did MFC know that it was FFC who called them), and MFC answers that he saw FFC on the phone. Meaning, he saw her on the phone when she called the police. Not that she was on the phone beforehand.

 

[Couldbe]

MOO – Maybe the idea by FFC …. that while roaring, William had gone down to see if MFC was returning, contributed to her immediate abduction theory.

 

[nightrider17]

Thankyou JLZ,

I was confused by what he replied to the police officer in that walk through.

The police officer was questioning who instigated calling the police = as if to ascertain was it a joint decision - and the MFC clarified it by saying both because he approached her and she was already on the phone. I just wanted to know if I am understanding that as what he meant. Or did he mean she was already on the phone to police.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/william-tyrrells-disappearance-inquest-shown-police-video/video/2176dd43c10dddf5fde3a037171f7116

4.02 on above video

Police Officer : So at what point - who called Police

MFC: Bleep called the Police

Police Officer: Was that a discussion at all between yourself and Bleep

MFC: I saw her on the phone and I think she said "should I call the Police".
I said call the police.

Police Officer: So where were you?

MFC: I was in the paddock - Somewhere here I looked at her etc



So I am wondering if that makes it seem like she was using her mobile to call 000 not the landline?

For some reason I thought she made the 000 call from the landline.



So that conflicts with FFC being in the paddock area with a mobile. Is this just my misunderstanding.

I think that a subsequent conversation between the FFC and Wendy Hudson has different information about whether the mobile was on or not.

Possibly not turned on until after 2pm. So the text from MFC would not have been seen till much later????

Is this why Ben Fordhams video clip mentions a second mobile for the FFC??? Where was he getting this acqusation from??? because I always thought the second mobile/sim was pointing to the MFC.

'She's a very decent human being': Former detective Gary Jubelin stands up for foster mother - Ben Fordham Live

The former chief detective in the William Tyrrell case has defended the way it was handled amid new revelations.

omny.fm

So confused - Just my own opinion MOO

 

[JLZ]

Thankyou JLZ,

I was confused by what he replied to the police officer in that walk through.

The police officer was questioning who instigated calling the police = as if to ascertain was it a joint decision - and the MFC clarified it by saying both because he approached her and she was already on the phone. I just wanted to know if I am understanding that as what he meant. Or did he mean she was already on the phone to police.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/william-tyrrells-disappearance-inquest-shown-police-video/video/2176dd43c10dddf5fde3a037171f7116

4.02 on above video

Police Officer : So at what point - who called Police

MFC: Bleep called the Police

Police Officer: Was that a discussion at all between yourself and Bleep

MFC: I saw her on the phone and I think she said "should I call the Police".
I said call the police.

Police Officer: So where were you?

MFC: I was in the paddock - Somewhere here I looked at her etc



So I am wondering if that makes it seem like she was using her mobile to call 000 not the landline?

For some reason I thought she made the 000 call from the landline.



So that conflicts with FFC being in the paddock area with a mobile. Is this just my misunderstanding.

I think that a subsequent conversation between the FFC and Wendy Hudson has different information about whether the mobile was on or not.

Possibly not turned on until after 2pm. So the text from MFC would not have been seen till much later????

Is this why Ben Fordhams video clip mentions a second mobile for the FFC??? Where was he getting this acqusation from??? because I always thought the second mobile/sim was pointing to the MFC.

'She's a very decent human being': Former detective Gary Jubelin stands up for foster mother - Ben Fordham Live

The former chief detective in the William Tyrrell case has defended the way it was handled amid new revelations.

omny.fm

So confused - Just my own opinion MOO

I see what you mean. Unless there was a cordless phone.

 

[LolaAngelina]

Moo - Did FFC not consider that she was sending William down there to look out for the MFC .... who may not arrived for another half-hour, and maybe he had been delayed for whatever reason (because she had not received the text 'home in five' ... as apparently was his usual habit).

Did FM say she sent William down to look for him? I don’t recall that

 

[JLZ]

Letisha Marambio‏Verified account @LetishaMarambio 2h2 hours ago
Foster mum emotional says after a quick search she decided she had to call police “I went inside and grabbed the cordless phone and I stood in exactly the same spot where I couldn’t see him and I just made that call.” @10NewsFirstSyd @10Daily

 

[SouthAussie]

Did FM say she sent William down to look for him? I don’t recall that

I am pretty sure that it is Lindsay who suggested that William went to look out for FD.
And when she was asked why she thought that, she said "I don't know" (as many kids do). IIRC

imo

 

[nightrider17]

Thanks JLZ - der cordless phone - that makes sense and why she was maybe outside with it and not her mobile phone. MOO

 

[deugirtni]

Thankyou JLZ,

I was confused by what he replied to the police officer in that walk through.

The police officer was questioning who instigated calling the police = as if to ascertain was it a joint decision - and the MFC clarified it by saying both because he approached her and she was already on the phone. I just wanted to know if I am understanding that as what he meant. Or did he mean she was already on the phone to police.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/william-tyrrells-disappearance-inquest-shown-police-video/video/2176dd43c10dddf5fde3a037171f7116

4.02 on above video

Police Officer : So at what point - who called Police

MFC: Bleep called the Police

Police Officer: Was that a discussion at all between yourself and Bleep

MFC: I saw her on the phone and I think she said "should I call the Police".
I said call the police.

Police Officer: So where were you?

MFC: I was in the paddock - Somewhere here I looked at her etc



So I am wondering if that makes it seem like she was using her mobile to call 000 not the landline?

For some reason I thought she made the 000 call from the landline.



So that conflicts with FFC being in the paddock area with a mobile. Is this just my misunderstanding.

I think that a subsequent conversation between the FFC and Wendy Hudson has different information about whether the mobile was on or not.

Possibly not turned on until after 2pm. So the text from MFC would not have been seen till much later????

Is this why Ben Fordhams video clip mentions a second mobile for the FFC??? Where was he getting this acqusation from??? because I always thought the second mobile/sim was pointing to the MFC.

'She's a very decent human being': Former detective Gary Jubelin stands up for foster mother - Ben Fordham Live

The former chief detective in the William Tyrrell case has defended the way it was handled amid new revelations.

omny.fm

So confused - Just my own opinion MOO

I had wondered what the big deal was about FD saying she was on the phone, but after relistening to it, it seems clear to me that he was saying she was already on the phone.. so then who was she talking to.. etc. My interpretation after relistening.

But as far as GJ asking who called LE and if there was discussion around that, I remember FM in an interview saying that when FD arrived home and she relayed the news of W missing, he jumped out of the car to go searching for him and she never saw him again.. and further backed up by FD telling police that he took off to find W and was gone for hours or something.. (from memory).. so then how, 20 minutes after arriving back to the property, is he with FM telling her to call 000?

 

[Marg944]

The FFFC charges of lying to the NSWCC is due to be heard in Court this week, Thurs 3rd and Fri 4th Nov.

"The foster mother of William Tyrrell is pleading not guilty to a charge of knowingly giving false or misleading evidence during a hearing about the boy’s disappearance, her lawyer says.
Police allege the foster mother, who cannot be identified because of strict court suppression orders, lied or misled NSW Crime Commission officials during the hearing.

The court was told the hearing would be expected to last two days, with the prosecution to call a “police informant” as a witness.

About 500 pages of evidence would form part of the case and some audio recordings from the NSW Crime Commission would be played during the hearing, the court was told before November 3 and 4 were chosen as dates the hearing would take place."

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrells-foster-mother-to-fight-false-or-misleading-charge/news-story/b45311aa9d49dffe32d5f2e680b87618

 

[Couldbe]

I am pretty sure that it is Lindsay who suggested that William went to look out for FD.
And when she was asked why she thought that, she said "I don't know" (as many kids do). IIRC

imo

Maybe it was the FFC who suggested to Lindsay that she and William could go and look out for FD; Just saying

 

[iiiii's]

Four suspicious cars seen near William Tyrrell's grandparent's house could still hear him, he was roaring, and then, um, nothing,' his mother said in the interview, her voice breaking.

'And then it's silence and he's just vanished.

'I couldn't see him, I couldn't hear him. The world just came to a screaming halt.

'There was no wind, there were no birds, there was no movement. There was nothing.'

The parents said that William liked to run down the driveway to greet his father whenever he arrived home, and was due back at the property at any moment.

'I remember saying, "can you see daddy's car?" and there was no answer.'



bbm

 

[FromGermany1]

Or .... to keep an active and happy little boy busy. As many of us who have had active and happy little children have done.

imo

To give little W something to do and having peace for a little while - yes. FFC didn't have to expect, that her boy wandered off, because he never had done it. Little W would have been running back and forth, telling his mum, that the MFC wasn't in sight yet (if MFC delayed) and then look for him once more.

 

[SouthAussie]

The FFFC charges of lying to the NSWCC is due to be heard in Court this week, Thurs 3rd and Fri 4th Nov.

"The foster mother of William Tyrrell is pleading not guilty to a charge of knowingly giving false or misleading evidence during a hearing about the boy’s disappearance, her lawyer says.
Police allege the foster mother, who cannot be identified because of strict court suppression orders, lied or misled NSW Crime Commission officials during the hearing.

The court was told the hearing would be expected to last two days, with the prosecution to call a “police informant” as a witness.

About 500 pages of evidence would form part of the case and some audio recordings from the NSW Crime Commission would be played during the hearing, the court was told before November 3 and 4 were chosen as dates the hearing would take place."

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrells-foster-mother-to-fight-false-or-misleading-charge/news-story/b45311aa9d49dffe32d5f2e680b87618

I wonder if this case can be heard yet. As the false or misleading evidence is apparently about the alleged assault on the minor child, and that case hasn't been heard yet.


.... knowingly giving false or misleading evidence to the New South Wales Crime Commission. That evidence involved answers to questions denying the assault which was the subject of the charge laid against her in the Local Court.

Nationwide News Pty Ltd v __ and __ [2022] NSWSC 774