Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #73

[FromGermany1]

“She’s still going on about it,” the woman is heard telling her husband in a later phone call intercepted by police.

Important in my eyes.

 

[Karin1974]

I think she answers like an innocent person. Just my impression.

I absolutely agree & further, I don’t think she did anything to WT & I don’t think the police have ANY idea what actually happened to him

 

[FromGermany1]

William Tyrrell’s foster mother acquitted of lying to the NSW Crime Commission

Woman had been accused of lying about whether she had ever struck a different child in her care with a wooden spoon

www.theguardian.com

"she's still going on about it" the woman is heard telling her husband in a later phone call intercepted by police.


If we consider the FFC's position and have sympathy for her like the judge instructs she is "living a night mare life" and under extreme stress.

How is it the FFC is not very sympathetic to her own adopted daughter. If she is heard later saying "she is still going on about it"

I would have thought after such an emotional episode that as a family you would want to move forward so that it never got to this extreme position again.

I feel the comments between her and her husband reveal that they were comfortable with that level of discipling.

I think I have a problem being empathetic to someone who can discount a child misbehaving and the resultant discipline because another child has come to stay and is acting different because of this new situation.

If she is so aware that the older girl is struggling with the arrival of a new foster daughter - she really is dealing with it in a way to inflame and alienate the older girl.

If we are asked to have sympathy for a 57year old FC, and she's sobbing and crying then who will have sympathy for the 10-year-old girl sobbing and pleading, who is 10 by the way, and also caught in this nightmare life. MO

Why did they have two foster children, if FFC couldn't handle it by herself. (Without question mark.) Instead of having empathy for her older daughter, which had a very difficult life until then, she needed even her absent husband "to break" the girl. Two adults against one little girl, because the girl feels jealous about her concurrence in the home? Did FFC also need the help of FACS like she did, when little W became too stressful to handle?
I am far from being a perfect mother, but I have little sympathy for the FFC/MFC.

 

[JBowie]

JMO – I don’t know what employment positions the FFC has held, and what self-development training she has had that could involve how to handle being questioned.

"She and William's foster father have experience in real estate and property"

Privileged life of William Tyrrell's foster mum haunted by final photo

William's foster mother is a wealthy professional from Sydney's north shore worth several million dollars who always longed to have children.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[bfew]

Why did they have two foster children, if FFC couldn't handle it by herself.

IMO, the FFC appeared to be more suited to managing resourceful adult human's with a Corporate organisation behind her, than being the principal carer of any children.

 

[JLZ]

Why did they have two foster children, if FFC couldn't handle it by herself. (Without question mark.) Instead of having empathy for her older daughter, which had a very difficult life until then, she needed even her absent husband "to break" the girl. Two adults against one little girl, because the girl feels jealous about her concurrence in the home? Did FFC also need the help of FACS like she did, when little W became too stressful to handle?
I am far from being a perfect mother, but I have little sympathy for the FFC/MFC.

I'm not sure the girl did feel jealous, and if she did, it's her own business. It's a poor explanation, that she needed to be punished because she had bad feelings. (How do they know what she felt?) What did she actually do that was problematic? The examples I've heard all sound like understandable resistance and retaliation against an ill-controlled adult. Locking FFC out of the house is I suppose naughty but it kind of makes me admire the child too.

 

[ameliak]

I doubt FM will go to jail - after that case is heard, and if she is found guilty or pleads guilty.
Judging by BM's recent sentence for DV, which was a community corrections order with a good behaviour period involved. And judging by Magistrate Feather's previous comment about FM's assault charges.


He found it would be reasonable to impose a community corrections order if she was being sentenced today, and believed the public interest was best served by dealing with the offences under the criminal system.

Tyrrell foster mum loses mental health bid

The foster mother of William Tyrrell who allegedly kicked and assaulted a child in her care with a...

www.thesenior.com.au

I am sorry SA, but the BM's DV case and the abuse of a foster child, trusted in your care, is in no way comparable. IMO.

 

[JLZ]

Important in my eyes.

What does it say to you?

 

[Awakening]

Why were the fosters parents called to the NSW Crime Commission in the first place?

If it was about WT’s disappearance, that doesn’t make sense to me, given there was a coronial inquiry.

Maybe it was about the NSW police. After Gary’s charges, were they looking into some sort of corruption within the police force?

 

[SouthAussie]

I call it context. The sequence of the sentences, then. The logic of 'beforehand . . . then . . . then . . . later'.

The child can be heard threatening to call the police beforehand.

A woman is then heard telling the child to “stand up” three times.

“Where’d you put the wooden spoon?” the court heard a woman on the recording say.

The child then pleads, screams and cries, and is told to turn around and move her hands before smacking sounds are heard.

“She’s still going on about it,” the woman is heard telling her husband in a later phone call intercepted by police.

William Tyrrell’s foster mother acquitted of lying to the NSW Crime Commission

Woman had been accused of lying about whether she had ever struck a different child in her care with a wooden spoon

www.theguardian.com

For all we know, the child could "still have been going on about" whatever created the turmoil in the first place.

The police heard that recording. They didn't come to the child's rescue.

 

[kiwi50]

I absolutely agree & further, I don’t think she did anything to WT & I don’t think the police have ANY idea what actually happened to him

I agree with you, I don’t believe FM had anything to do with William’s disappearance.
i don’t think there will ever be an arrest, and the actions of police over last couple of years have just been a fishing expedition.

 

[Nessie]

Just my opinion but I just don’t buy that you would forget hitting your kid with a wooden spoon, especially if it was enough to warrant phone conversations about it later.

Putting aside the morality of what FM did, I’m surprised purely from a pragmatic point of view. I mean she must have felt super confident she would never come in the frame of the William investigation if she felt confident enough to discipline her kids so harshly she left them with visible injuries.

 

[K_i_w_i]

8 years of sleuthing and I just hope the Police can figure out what happened. No doubt like many of you, I ponder lots of different theories and I can't settle on one! I did think they might have had something on FFC but it seems not (at this stage anyway). Let's hope they have a lot more info/evidence up their sleeves.

 

[Curiouser+Curiouser]

Going to try to paraphrase part of this new Australian article.


It says that Magistrate Moody (she is described as a senior magistrate) accused the police of "taking deliberate steps to catch the woman by surprise before hauling her in front of the commission last November".
She also criticised the police tactics used to issue the summons to FM last year.
She told the court that FM was “living a nightmare life” at the time she was summoned before the commission.
She said FM didn't know about the allegation and deliberate steps were taken to make sure that she didn't know.
The magistrate also said that FM's mum had died, she had lost her son, and the hearing transcript shows her distress regarding the fate of her missing child during the second day of the "gruelling hearing".

Police blasted over Tyrrell foster mother charge

Just goes to show that a skilled manipulator and actor can pull the wool over many people's eyes imho.

 

[Curiouser+Curiouser]

Idk, whether 3 yo boys would climb on that railing, being alone on the balcony. Your theory might be exactly right, but I can't imagine it so easily.

He wasn't a three year old boy. He was Spiderman!!

 

[JBowie]

8 years of sleuthing and I just hope the Police can figure out what happened. No doubt like many of you, I ponder lots of different theories and I can't settle on one! I did think they might have had something on FFC but it seems not (at this stage anyway). Let's hope they have a lot more info/evidence up their sleeves.

Unless there's a major breakthrough, such as a confession, I fear that this case will be added to the list of unsolved cases along with the Beaumont Children.

 

[they'll get you]

It was alleged the foster mother lied during the Crime Commission hearing, when she denied ever hitting a child – who was not William Tyrrell – with a wooden spoon.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/how-foster-mother-became-the-focus-of-the-william-tyrrell-investigation/news-story/2945626eb390eab1a09aeb0d3ad27e6a

She pleaded not guilty to a charge of knowingly giving false or misleading evidence before ultimately being acquitted on Friday.

 

[they'll get you]

The court heard that during the Crime Commission hearing, counsel assisting Sophie Callan put the allegation to the foster mother that William died when he fell from the veranda of his foster grandmother’s home.

“William went around on the veranda and toppled over and it was nobody’s fault,” Ms Callan said during the Crime Commission hearing, the court heard this week.

“It was an accident that he fell down off that veranda.”

The court heard the foster mother responded: “No, I would have found him.”

She was then pressed on whether she had taken William’s body, put him in her mother’s car and dumped it in nearby bushland.

“I didn’t,” she repeatedly told the Crime Commission.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/how-foster-mother-became-the-focus-of-the-william-tyrrell-investigation/news-story/2945626eb390eab1a09aeb0d3ad27e6a

 

[Couldbe]

48 Benaroon Dr to Queens Lake

www.google.com.au

I am wondering about who inserted 'Williams Resting Place' into the Map as per this link ... and is it related to little William?

 

[SouthAussie]

Just goes to show that a skilled manipulator and actor can pull the wool over many people's eyes imho.

If FM was such a skilled manipulator she wouldn't have been having issues with a 10 year old child. She would skillfully have manipulated the child to favourable or more peaceful outcomes.

There is absolutely no evidence that FM has been skillfully manipulating. She doesn't appear to have such a skill.

imo