Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #16

[Wexford]

I am of the same opinion - but the thing I am struggling to understand is that BS has sat by and watch and allowed his mate to give numerous interviews to the media. Why?
Nothing his mate has said has helped BS's cause. imo
It has just raised more doubt and suspicion - for me anyway.
If this was indeed an opportunistic abduction as the police believe than something did triggered the person to snatch William, what?
Sexual gratification seems to be the belief of the investigating team.

One does start to wonder if they are still friends after all that has occurred? I am thinking that BS could have terminated the friendship because Colin blabbed and didnt help his case....or equally possible.....Col has terminated the friendship for...oh so many reasons. I dont know if they are or are not but it does seem a bit quiet on the MS/CY side of things to me.

 

[krig101]

The friend said Mr Spedding then went to go meet his wife for coffee at Buzz Cafe, 140m away from his office on the opposite side of the street. Cafe manager Lisa, who did not wish to give her last name, said she recognised Mr Spedding and his wife but said they hadn't come into the cafe 'in a while

She told Daily Mail Australia that police had come into the cafe to ask if she recalled seeing Mr Spedding on September 12. 'I've seen him before but I can't remember that specific day,' she told Daily Mail Australia.
The friend said Mr Spedding and his wife then walked across the road to Laurieton Public School to attend a presentation for their grandson.
He told Daily Mail Australia Mr Spedding said he had also attended the presentation with a family friend who was taking photos.
Mr Spedding has asked her to review her pictures to see if he is in any of them, the friend said. On September 12, following the presentation, Mr Spedding went to a job in nearby Dunbogan before ringing William's grandmother again.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-nervous-breakdown-thanks-family-support.html​

If I was making a video to protest my innocence I think I'd have statements from "all" the people who saw me at school Have we even been told what time the assembly was meant to start, and what time BS claimed to have arrived at school.
What if they both drove to Laurieton, MS went for coffee, BS went to his office, came
back, realised he had time to fix washing machine before the assembly started, he did not return in time and MS attended alone, he may have rung her and said he was going to go straight to the afternoon job.

So the "family friend" with the camera can either verify BS was there at the assembly or is covering for him. Hmmm

IMO

Took a short break from this thread and it takes 2 days to catch up! Yikes, no more breaks!

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[krig101]

There is several scenarios with attached outcomes.

Did they even think of the repercussions when they snatched the child?

You get into prison, oh, you not only raped, you killed the child. Not so popular. Yep, nuther planet.

They don't think of any repercussions IMO. They think they are too slick to ever get caught.

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[Bohemian]

They don't think of any repercussions IMO. They think they are too slick to ever get caught.

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Yes, often supremely egotistical and lacking empathy for anyone (except themselves when they are caught).

Evil (and extremely scary) combination.

 

[Karo]

Wasn't it reported in MSM that there were incidents of persons creeping around Spedding's backyard in the dark and that's why he made the video?
I can't, no matter how hard I try, see anything that tells me BS is guilty of anything to do with WT's disappearance, he is not that clever a man by all accounts to cover his tracks so well, given the forensic tests at his home, his business, his vehicles, the digging at the home. Somebody convince me please.

I agree somewhat but really he had a 3 hour period to work with. Could he if not had a coffee at 10am, left at 1015 and gone to school at 12? Still time to abduct Wt.

I've never been convinced bs is involved until his home video to be honest. And it's not his video but WHY he made the video. There must of been something said in the interview that implicated him as immediately he went into defence mode. I'm guessing the vehiciles. And he seems to of lost a few allies if Facebook is taken that way....... Something's suss.


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[richieswan]

My sincerest apologies if this has already been covered elsewhere within the threads, but in case it hasn't:

Does anyone know if there is technology whereby you can look at a place anywhere on earth at a certain point of time? I mean, we have all these surveillance things up in space, don't we? If there is such a thing - and I suspect there is - why can't the police just zoom in and capture every 30 seconds of a set timeframe that morning (to see exactly what happened)? I appreciate something like this would probably cost an absolute fortune, but surely no more than funding all the staff working on this case?

Edited to add:
Okay, so there's this: http://history.nasa.gov/NP-119/ch7.htm - which captures 90 minute intervals. But I'm sure what I'm suggesting could be done!

for some reason my text looks huge on the screen, so hope it works. I can't seem to shrink it...

The NASA resolution is 10-20m pixels. Currently, the best commercial satellite (that I could find) sells images at 30cm resolution, so probably good for identifying cars but not for checking your tan line (see Patriot Games film I think). The WorldView satellites revisit 1-4 days, so it would be pretty lucky to have an image around the essential hour to see who's cars were where. The military/defence may use snazzier satellites, but I'm guessing they program those to target essential areas of operational interest.

Here's an example 30cm pixel image of what the public can purchase.
http://content.satimagingcorp.com/static/galleryimages/Satellite_Image_Marina_New_Zealand.jpg

"During June 2014 DigitalGlobe received permission from the US Department of Commerce to collect and sell imagery at the best available resolutions. Additionally, six months after WorldView-3 is operational DigitalGlobe will be permitted to sell imagery at up to 25 cm panchromatic and 1.0 m multispectral GSD. We applaud the US Government’s relaxation of satellite resolution restrictions, as it benefits our customers, and the industry in general. On February 25th, 2015 DigitalGlobe made available 30cm WorldView-3 Satellite Imagery for the Panchromatic band and 1.2m for the Multispectral bands."

http://www.satimagingcorp.com/satellite-sensors/worldview-3/

At the time of William's abduction the Worldview-2 satellite was selling 46cm resolution (read more about different satellites in the link above). I haven't looked into the Russian, European or Chinese satellites (and i'm not going to).

 

[Wexford]

Wasn't it reported in MSM that there were incidents of persons creeping around Spedding's backyard in the dark and that's why he made the video?
I can't, no matter how hard I try, see anything that tells me BS is guilty of anything to do with WT's disappearance, he is not that clever a man by all accounts to cover his tracks so well, given the forensic tests at his home, his business, his vehicles, the digging at the home. Somebody convince me please.

I have two different lines of thought on this, Karo
My first is...do we know there were no results from the forensics?? In the Kiesha Abrahams Wieppart case they took mattresses and carpets from the house very early on and never said a word. It was a year later when the mother and SF were arrested we found out what had happened to her and those pieces of evidence were crucial. Nothing has been said about the searches on BS's house and businesses (and Wellington property). I dont think that necessarily means nothing was found.
My other school of thought is....he tipped someone else off about the kids (I say 'kids' because I am not entirely sure WT was the target...maybe his sister, maybe both). I also think that another crime could have been the original intention and opportunity raised it's head (and again I would love to know if he has any other sort of criminal record). He would be smart enough to distance himself a little knowing he had been to the house and obviously would be questioned. And of course knowing his past could just possibly come up. Provided himself a good alibi of being in coffee shop and school where people would see him. Unfortunately the alibi didnt immediately check out. So far I have not seen anywhere in MSM that the alibi did eventually check out but working on the supposition that you would think it would be very public if it did, I can only assume there are still questions about it.
Either that or once again, he is the unluckiest man alive.

 

[purpleandgreen]

I have two different lines of thought on this, Karo
My first is...do we know there were no results from the forensics?? In the Kiesha Abrahams Wieppart case they took mattresses and carpets from the house very early on and never said a word. It was a year later when the mother and SF were arrested we found out what had happened to her and those pieces of evidence were crucial. Nothing has been said about the searches on BS's house and businesses (and Wellington property). I dont think that necessarily means nothing was found.
My other school of thought is....he tipped someone else off about the kids (I say 'kids' because I am not entirely sure WT was the target...maybe his sister, maybe both). I also think that another crime could have been the original intention and opportunity raised it's head (and again I would love to know if he has any other sort of criminal record). He would be smart enough to distance himself a little knowing he had been to the house and obviously would be questioned. And of course knowing his past could just possibly come up. Provided himself a good alibi of being in coffee shop and school where people would see him. Unfortunately the alibi didnt immediately check out. So far I have not seen anywhere in MSM that the alibi did eventually check out but working on the supposition that you would think it would be very public if it did, I can only assume there are still questions about it.
Either that or once again, he is the unluckiest man alive.

Well said, Wexford. Totally agree with everything you've said.

Also, in regards to the 'persons creeping around Spedding's backyard in the dark and that's why he made the video', we only have BS unsubstantiated word for this. Did he report it to LE so that they could investigate? I know when we had prowlers it was easy for the police to find their footprints on the night-time grass and establish which way they entered and left.

Or surely he would have reported it when he did his daily bail check-in. I wonder if he can get police to verify this. Or in his video he could have shown the phone record of when he called police to say, 'Hey, I'm very concerned here. There are people in my yard. Please come and investigate'.

 

[Puggle]

I'm trying to see things from a different angle by supposing that - assuming it was BS who took him (and I feel very strongly he did) - did go to the house that day, and something happened or triggered him to take William. Maybe he didn't come forward because he thought the family he was with were doing something terrible? What was initially done in the heat of the moment became too deep for himself to get himself out the situation. If he owned up to what he'd done then there was danger that other things he's done could come to the police's attention. The more time has progressed, the deeper the whole he has dug and the more he has tried to proclaim his innocence, what with the TV interview a few months ago and now this YouTube clip. "How could this man possibly be guilty, when he's fronting up to the public like this?", many people would be asking.

I'm not claiming to know what's going through BS' or anyone else's minds, but I'm just trying to think of other scenarios which could turn out to be of help because they haven't been discussed before.

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Don't mind me 7777 .....

My mind is always 10 minutes ahead of anything I type ..... and I realise sometimes on reflection that I could or should have worded things better.

Absolutely no offence intended at all.....

and when I type ??? "Marks" .... I usually am asking for more of someone's opinion.

Like what makes you think of this possibility that someone would snatch William to protect him?

It isn't something I have thought about before.... do I think that was the scenario ... No.... But you ideas are just as valid as mine.

That's what we do here ...kick the footy around ... and anybody's guess or idea of what happened to William (Ideas) ... makes this thread important.

So I apologise if I made you feel otherwise.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Hi apollosong, I know you'd be really busy with your children etc and hopefully have time to reply. If not I will completely understand. I'm just wondering what the mood is like in the area now, given that it's 12 months on. Hopefully people are still looking for / worried about little William.

Was there any perceived shock when the Anthony Jones information came out in MSM.?

Do you think local people are still optimistic about William?

Again, apologies for intruding on you.

 

[stormyseas]

Wasn't it reported in MSM that there were incidents of persons creeping around Spedding's backyard in the dark and that's why he made the video?
I can't, no matter how hard I try, see anything that tells me BS is guilty of anything to do with WT's disappearance, he is not that clever a man by all accounts to cover his tracks so well, given the forensic tests at his home, his business, his vehicles, the digging at the home. Somebody convince me please.

The fact that results of forensic testing have not been released to MSM, does not necessarily mean that nothing was found. Perhaps something was found, but the main priority is finding William. Perhaps charging him (and incarcerating him) at this stage would make it less likely that William would be found? Also, further evidence may be required to make a more solid case against BS. In my mind, the fact that BS remains a significant and very public POI speaks volumes. IMO

 

[Karo]

We also only have BS's unsubstantiated word that he was only ever at the grandma's house on 2 occasions as well, don't we?

Well said, Wexford. Totally agree with everything you've said.

Also, in regards to the 'persons creeping around Spedding's backyard in the dark and that's why he made the video', we only have BS unsubstantiated word for this. Did he report it to LE so that they could investigate? I know when we had prowlers it was easy for the police to find their footprints on the night-time grass and establish which way they entered and left.

Or surely he would have reported it when he did his daily bail check-in. I wonder if he can get police to verify this. Or in his video he could have shown the phone record of when he called police to say, 'Hey, I'm very concerned here. There are people in my yard. Please come and investigate'.

 

[Wexford]

Well said, Wexford. Totally agree with everything you've said.

Also, in regards to the 'persons creeping around Spedding's backyard in the dark and that's why he made the video', we only have BS unsubstantiated word for this. Did he report it to LE so that they could investigate? I know when we had prowlers it was easy for the police to find their footprints on the night-time grass and establish which way they entered and left.

Or surely he would have reported it when he did his daily bail check-in. I wonder if he can get police to verify this. Or in his video he could have shown the phone record of when he called police to say, 'Hey, I'm very concerned here. There are people in my yard. Please come and investigate'.

Thanks Purpleandgreen...could be that he wont bother reporting it because he was taking a swipe at LE. The people he is accusing of 'creeping around his backyard' are very probably the very same he would be reporting it to. Creeping?? or just keeping up surveillance??

 

[stormyseas]

Thanks Purpleandgreen...could be that he wont bother reporting it because he was taking a swipe at LE. The people he is accusing of 'creeping around his backyard' are very probably the very same he would be reporting it to. Creeping?? or just keeping up surveillance??

Haha... good point!!

 

[Imagining]

I know when we had prowlers it was easy for the police to find their footprints on the night-time grass and establish which way they entered and left.

I wish this was done at grandma home in the very first hour when WT went missing, there could be the perpetrator footprints and path on the grass, but I think by the time the police thought it might be abduction, many people's feet would have already stepped all over the grass.

 

[Rayemonde]

They don't think of any repercussions IMO. They think they are too slick to ever get caught.

I think some of them get a thrill out of taking risks and knowing they could be caught.

 

[Imagining]

Here's an example 30cm pixel image of what the public can purchase.
http://content.satimagingcorp.com/static/galleryimages/Satellite_Image_Marina_New_Zealand.jpg

The image is good enough!

 

[Rayemonde]

Thanks Purpleandgreen...could be that he wont bother reporting it because he was taking a swipe at LE. The people he is accusing of 'creeping around his backyard' are very probably the very same he would be reporting it to. Creeping?? or just keeping up surveillance??

:giggle:

 

[Karo]

Do we know that he didn't report it?

:giggle:

 

[Deleted member 102539]

If little Spiderman is alive, could he look like a little girl now with his own hair much longer than before ...? :thinking:


(Just saw a TV crime; the abducted boy was sometimes wearing a wig.)