Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #25

[deugirtni]

4 in total; not 5.

Yes, I didn't say 5. i said 3. (because one is missing).

 

[Bohemian]

It's possible there is a 5th. The first reports said he was with his younger sister. Google "william tyrell" "younger sister" http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...t/news-story/8ec7367f36aeaf80bfd2e9b3f4986455 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hed-grandmother-s-backyard.html#ixzz4N3RszpSm There may be a photo floating around when William, his sister LT and bio mum were on a picnic, and you can see what appears to be an older girl lying down, photo taken from behind so you just see her back.

I think four. Just like having a lucky four-leaf clover (or shamrock, if you have the luck of the Irish about you).

 

[Bohemian]

Yes, I didn't say 5. i said 3. (because one is missing).

Gotcha. I misunderstood.

 

[Bohemian]

The pics that I have seen have all appeared to have been taken in public places, with happy children. I know that here, which is not in oz, our FACS system encourages communication between fosters and bios. Sometimes the relationships are horrible and filled with constant rife and notes must constantly be taken and meetings held and etc. Other times it's just amicable. And other times it's actually a good relationship, at least while things are going according to a mutually acceptable plan/arrangement. But if something were to change, such as perhaps taking the children out of the country, for example, that could quickly change the pleasantries into something else.

Just as a note, and speaking from experience having been a fp over *here* for a few years (so it *may* be different over there, don't know?), the visits normally do happen at a FACS centre (or sometimes in the fp's own home with the fp as 'supervisor' of the visit). However, if a bio family is preparing for the transition of getting their kids back, or if the placement is done on a voluntary basis, the parents are allowed to have visits unsupervised, and take them to their homes, or on outings, etc. Even for overnight visits. Having seen photos of the 3 'remaining' children of the bio mom visiting together in a public place, is another reason why i am considering the possibility that bio mom may have willingly put her 2 kids into care for whatever reason(s) she had.

Yes, maybe she had no choice at the time but to put them into care temporarily to protect them and reunification had its own 'complications'.

 

[deugirtni]

I read last week a report from a FACS document from a different area of Oz.. so I wasn't sure if it would be the same in NSW, but I can't see a reason why the various areas would have substantially different policies. I didn't post it due to its different area, and I was unable to find a document for a similar topic for the NSW area. I could try to dig it up again if anyone is interested. The document was talking about a different way of doing things than used to be the way. It was in regard to women giving up their children for adoption, and what i believe to be 'open adoption', etc. I wondered if something similar could have been the arrangement between the two families, and both were happy with it.... until.... WT went missing, and even then things seemed to remain status quo.. until just recently when we heard something about the possibility of moving. That could sure throw a wrench into a mutually satisfying arrangement. I have been waiting to see if anything comes of that.

 

[crabstick]

Relax, no one said you said there was 5 children. I just cant add up.

Does Bio Dad live in Sydney?

Nowhere did it or I say anything about 5 children. I said the 3 'remaining' children, which are the bio mom's 4 children minus WT, who is missing. Also, the bio family and the ff both live in Sydney, allowing for easy visits.

These days its more a possibility because storage is so cheap and injury litigation so great. But it must pushing limits.

I doubt if even McD's would save a video recording of every minute in every location for 2 years, unless there was an event which occurred which needed to be saved (such as a robbery or a holdup or something)? i think it would have had to have been checked quickly to ensure it didn't get overwritten. jmo.

As much as police are great and do an excellent job, there is nothing wrong with crossing t's and dotting i's, especially when it comes to a missing 3 year old child. It doesn't have to mean that police doubted the validity of the cellphone photo, but rather, that they were just being thorough, which is actually what they are supposed to do. again, jmo.

 

[Makara]

Relax, no one said you said there was 5 children. I just cant add up.

Does Bio Dad live in Sydney?


These days its more a possibility because storage is so cheap and injury litigation so great. But it must pushing limits.

Bio Dad, along with William's siblings et al are off limits Crabstick, or didn't you know that?

 

[crabstick]

I just got home late, made the comment, put kids to bed, went to bed then came back to delete it. But it was only more the general area. Kendall or Sydney. '
("Does Bio Dad live in Sydney?") A matter that related to whether William would see his bio father.
No names, addresses, etc were requested.
Not really that personal considering some of the matters that have been discussed. I wasn't interested in the siblings. More dragged into the conversation. People keep crapping on about photos and video footage with innuendo. I have continually tried to shut down that pattern of thought. But sure enough, the same circle of thought arises.
Grandma has been in the news. I'll do some research outside the scope of the forum.

I didn't start the convo about the bios. So if you could tell everyone to stop talking about it, that would be awesome, thanks.

Bio Dad, along with William's siblings et al are off limits Crabstick, or didn't you know that?

 

[crabstick]

When you consider the Daniel Morcombe case, and the level of media presence by his parents. This is the weirdest case ever!!!

Court suppression is so oppressive, its like the government don't want the case resolved, and court suppression has hindered Williams recovery, to the point, government could be legal liable for the prevention of justice and safety. Pain and suffering.

 

[deugirtni]

When you consider the Daniel Morcombe case, and the level of media presence by his parents. This is the weirdest case ever!!!

Court suppression is so oppressive, its like the government don't want the case resolved, and court suppression has hindered Williams recovery, to the point, government could be legal liable for the prevention of justice and safety. Pain and suffering.

Imo, there seems to be somewhat of a distasteful impression that the suppression acts as some kind of shield in this case, in more ways than one.

And even though Morcombe's family was right out there in the lights for all that time, look how long it took to catch their perp. And as it turned out, even though he was a possibility in the beginning, the perp was someone pretty much ignored, due to perhaps taking too much at face value, not enough followup or effort, etc. From what I understand, it took a coroner's inquest, which police, if they had had their way, wouldn't have happened at all. If only all parties could work together with the same goal of just finding missing children and bringing justice to the right places. jmo.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Imo, there seems to be somewhat of a distasteful impression that the suppression acts as some kind of shield in this case, in more ways than one.

And even though Morcombe's family was right out there in the lights for all that time, look how long it took to catch their perp. And as it turned out, even though he was a possibility in the beginning, the perp was someone pretty much ignored, due to perhaps taking too much at face value, not enough followup or effort, etc. From what I understand, it took a coroner's inquest, which police, if they had had their way, wouldn't have happened at all. If only all parties could work together with the same goal of just finding missing children and bringing justice to the right places. jmo.

bbm
I remember someone/druggy? had given the perp a false alibi. Could always happen it seems, hopefully not in the WT-case ...??

 

[crabstick]

Contemporary crime is harder to solve because crime is more and more committed by people unknown to the victim, a much larger population, better transport and communications.

While police often draw critic, their job is getting harder, not easier. Its very easy to critic police in a very large institution like other large institutions find communicting with each other more complex not to mention the hindrance of law such as court suppression orders by their own departments.

At times, there must be some level of apathy.

And in some cases, some cases, the perpetrator is already in prison, or put in prison by police on charges they can 'win', and while the perpetrator is in prison, more evidence comes forth, and then when the perpetrator walks out of prison, they are smashed again by police to ensure they receive the best result to keep public safe.

Look at Khandles POI, another state, in prison. Transient criminals nationwide, global even more common. Maybe one the perpetrators is already in prison but police cant tell you.

We need to find William...

Imo, there seems to be somewhat of a distasteful impression that the suppression acts as some kind of shield in this case, in more ways than one.

And even though Morcombe's family was right out there in the lights for all that time, look how long it took to catch their perp. And as it turned out, even though he was a possibility in the beginning, the perp was someone pretty much ignored, due to perhaps taking too much at face value, not enough followup or effort, etc. From what I understand, it took a coroner's inquest, which police, if they had had their way, wouldn't have happened at all. If only all parties could work together with the same goal of just finding missing children and bringing justice to the right places. jmo.

 

[crabstick]

There is a change, druggies and pedos. Drug dealers and pedos.

Where would someone put William? If they were local, and we knew of them, they could not go far. Remember the Bengalo pings on that POI of Karlie???

bbm
I remember someone/druggy? had given the perp a false alibi. Could always happen it seems, hopefully not in the WT-case ...??

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I have no idea technically but: are users able to communicate via their often used darknet (without Pings) ...? - Sorry, maybe a completely stupid question. :blushing:

 

[crabstick]

They can run encrypted comms, but a non sim phone through a public WIFI might be harder to trace. Say a public WIFI at public cafe, pub etc. There is no SIM to verify, but there may be a NIC or MAC ID. That is phone ID but its not linked to a user, hence a bag full of phones. Potentially untraceable through public WIFI. Maybe last userID linked to SIM, but it depends what metadata is stored or recorded.
There maybe tower triangulation if the metadata is recorded. I wonder if all the devices in the area are recorded, only if they have a device on them.

I have no idea technically but: are users able to communicate via their often used darknet (without Pings) ...? - Sorry, maybe a completely stupid question. :blushing:

 

[Makara]

Contemporary crime is harder to solve because crime is more and more committed by people unknown to the victim, a much larger population, better transport and communications.

While police often draw critic, their job is getting harder, not easier. Its very easy to critic police in a very large institution like other large institutions find communicting with each other more complex not to mention the hindrance of law such as court suppression orders by their own departments.

At times, there must be some level of apathy.

And in some cases, some cases, the perpetrator is already in prison, or put in prison by police on charges they can 'win', and while the perpetrator is in prison, more evidence comes forth, and then when the perpetrator walks out of prison, they are smashed again by police to ensure they receive the best result to keep public safe.

Look at Khandles POI, another state, in prison. Transient criminals nationwide, global even more common. Maybe one the perpetrators is already in prison but police cant tell you.

We need to find William...

BBM: UBM: And therein lies the answer to William's disappearance IMO. I fully believe that the investigator's know who took William but they just don't have enough evidence yet to proceed with an arrest. I also believe there has been a shift...there is something festering beneath the surface since the announcement of the reward and it's not going to be pretty at all when it does hit the surface.

 

[deugirtni]

BBM: UBM: And therein lies the answer to William's disappearance IMO. I fully believe that the investigator's know who took William but they just don't have enough evidence yet to proceed with an arrest. I also believe there has been a shift...there is something festering beneath the surface since the announcement of the reward and it's not going to be pretty at all when it does hit the surface.

Are you able to articulate/share why you are feeling there has been a shift and that something is festering beneath the surface?

 

[crabstick]

When we add this variable attribute to Williams case, it alters the possibility of the 'stars align of opportune chance' from the nigh on nil traffic of a dead end street in a fringe country town of 4000 people where neighbours are on holidays, homes are vacant, and William would not visit again.

Who would know under foster contractual agreement, that such suppression would hinder the recovery of William? I certainly didn't? Did you? Who would know that?

Someone who might target William because they know hes already behind the eight ball when it is reported?

Addressing media in Queensland, she said restrictions on carers and parents when a foster child went missing were actually making them targets for predators.

“They can target these particular kids because they are far more vulnerable than any other and response to their disappearance is less than adequate,” she said.

“If someone stole your child you’d be all over the place in 30 seconds and you’d be allowed to by law — but these parents, these families and these foster carers can’t and these offenders know that. Make no mistake.

Title:Most vulnerable children we’re not allowed to talk about: How Tia Palmer’s death highlights problems with foster care rules
Author: Liz Burke, Date:November 14, 2015 2:24pm
Online: 13 Oct 2016, Status:Non paywall
Ref link: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...s/news-story/0bc47ce7fa11ad5a68b697979202a76d

 

[crabstick]

Either way in a 4000 person town, if someone was an external informant of the crime to Williams current location that makes them an accessory to some very heavy charges which has come under the incentive one hell of a reward for someone who knows who knows who in that town.

Under that small town syndrome, where people cant fart without someone knowing, you can only imagine what that million dollars is doing to someone's mind. 100 callers gleaning the most intimate detail of who might of told someone something, who knows who, to police.

Its going to be a very short loud snap. Who wants to be a millionaire!!! Lock it in Eddie!!! Its a far bigger prize than a fluffy toy at the local carnival shooting gallery.

 

[frogwell]

As I don't FB, I was wondering if it is common for the NSW Police FB site to post the incorrect date at the beginning of a post? I know I have asked this around another public FB page before. https://www.facebook.com/nswpolicef...18519706184/10152439520231185/?type=1&theater. Thanks