Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #28

[Bohemian]

If someone cannot control their aggression in a public place whilst their children are present and spits in the face of the law.
I dread to think what goes on behind closed doors.
imo

We know what was going on behind closed doors in William’s case, from the Supreme Court documents. Drug abuse and domestic violence.

 

[sleepinoz]

No doubt, but no one can help you until you are ready to help yourself....imo
In the mean time innocent children are growing up in this complicated family situation.
They presumably witness to their mother spit in a police persons face..........what message is that sending them?
imo

Not only the message it's sending, how would they feel watching her behaviour and seeing their mother taken away in handcuffs, which I'm in no doubt happened.

 

[Bohemian]

Not only the message it's sending, how would they feel watching her behaviour and seeing their mother taken away in handcuffs, which I'm in no doubt happened.

In a word, traumatised.

 

[sleepinoz]

There are lots of dysfunctional families that manage not to have their children removed. If children are physically or sexually abused they definitely should be removed from that situation. The court deemed WT & his sister were "at risk", meaning i would think that nothing had actually happened to them yet, but there was a risk of it.
If KT chooses to live with a drug addict that is also her risk. But NC has stated she is no longer with him.

So they should wait until something happens to the child?

They should be sexually or physically abused before they are removed?

Not just at 'risk'?

Oh boy :O

 

[Bohemian]

Please, if anyone doubts the causes or existence of complex trauma and its ramifications for children and adolescents, take the time to download (and read) the .pdf embedded in this webpage (or anything written by Dr Bessel van der Kolk):

https://www.complextrauma.ca/complex-trauma-in-children-and-adolescents/

 

[sleepinoz]

We know what was going on behind closed doors in William’s case, from the Supreme Court documents. Drug abuse and domestic violence.

And probably not as one sided as it seems

 

[sosocurious]

So they should wait until something happens to the child?

They should be sexually or physically abused before they are removed?

Not just at 'risk'?

Oh boy :O

Thanks Sleep I was trying to find the words to reply.
Risk of harm - seems so very significant..imo
Why ignore the damage to a bridge. Not worrying about it until it comes crashing down.
imo

 

[sleepinoz]

If that court case didn't have the outcome it did, we wouldn't be hearing all of this.

Who knows if it's contributed to this outcome or not, but OMG what an outcome.

 

[Bohemian]

And probably not as one sided as it seems

Jesus, ain’t that the truth? Although I do have human empathy for Karlie and Brendan, I am absolutely heartbroken for their children; especially William.

 

[sosocurious]

0:25 - Daddy, Daddy

William Tyrrell rides a bike and plays Guitar Hero in home movies released
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...illiam-Tyrrell-released-search-continues.html

 

[Karinna]

Yes, but you can’t keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Children are developing a sense of self during their childhood and believe me they don’t have the time for us as parents to get our acts together at our convenience. It’s damaging and it has ramifications in their adult lives and the lives of their children.

When was KT in trouble before & what for? Do you know because i certainly don't. I'm not talking about BC either because we already read about his problems with drugs etc.

 

[Karinna]

You are so spot on soso, all the Blame the poor fp got for taking their eyes of a child for 5-10 minutes in a safe environment. Can only imagine what he had been through before .

Well obviously it wasn't safe and especially nowadays parents are much more aware of predators out there, and our kids aren't as safe anymore. We have all read in msm about school children and attempted abductions around those coastal areas and elsewhere. It's a much different world today.

 

[Karinna]

So they should wait until something happens to the child?

They should be sexually or physically abused before they are removed?

Not just at 'risk'?

Oh boy :O

Lots of children live in domestic abuse situations, the Govt. is running such ads right now on t.v. i see them all the time.
It must be a big problem when dad beats up on mom and little kids witness that. Has been going on forever it seems, only much more awareness of it now. It's certainly nothing new. We got lots of beltings too as kids, as did the neighbours kids, and now they call it abuse, back then they called discipline.

 

[Karinna]

Jesus, ain’t that the truth? Although I do have human empathy for Karlie and Brendan, I am absolutely heartbroken for their children; especially William.

I agree and IMO the only victim here is William, he's the little boy that's missing and god only knows what happened to him.

 

[Bohemian]

*bangs her head against brick wall (repeatedly)*

 

[sosocurious]

Lots of children live in domestic abuse situations, the Govt. is running such ads right now on t.v. i see them all the time.
It must be a big problem when dad beats up on mom and little kids witness that. Has been going on forever it seems, only much more awareness of it now. It's certainly nothing new. We got lots of beltings too as kids, as did the neighbours kids, and now they call it abuse, back then they called discipline.

Yes it has been happening a long time and it was not OK.
Which is why the law was changed.

In 1982, the Crimes Act 1900 (NSW) was amended by the Crimes (Domestic Violence) Amendment Act 1982 (NSW) to introduce apprehended domestic violence orders in NSW. AVOs could be made for the protection of a person living in a marriage or those living together ‘as husband and wife on a bona fide domestic basis’. In 1983, the protection was extended to cover those who had previously been married or living in a de facto relationship in recognition of the fact that violence frequently occurs after separation. In 1989, amendments extended the cover of persons eligible for protection under an ADVO to include a broad range of domestic relationships.

In 2007, the law about AVOs was removed from the Crimes Act 1900 into a stand-alone Act, the Crimes (Domestic and Personal Violence) Act 2007 (NSW). In 2011, the NSW Department of Attorney General and Justice commenced a statutory review of the Crimes (Domestic and Personal Violence) Act 2007 (NSW). The report into that review is yet to be released but it is expected there will be further changes to the laws around ADVOs in response to the review.

http://legalanswers.sl.nsw.gov.au/apprehended-violence-orders/about-avos

 

[sosocurious]

*bangs her head against brick wall (repeatedly)*

I am on the other side....ullhair:

 

[Karinna]

I think I would have been happy to let my 3 year old run around the house with his sister while I was only feet away and could hear them.
I don’t think anyone in their wildest dreams would have imagined their child was going to be snatched in that peaceful setting. She knew William wasn’t a wanderer.

BBM, It was stated his sister went to the bathroom while FM was making tea? Or has that story changed? How can anyone predict what a 3 year old would do in an unfamiliar setting, even though he had been there before? A 3 yr. old's concentration span isn't that great from what i know.
What if he had got bit by a snake out there or something? The Australian bush is full of them.

 

[Karinna]

Yes it has been happening a long time and it was not OK.
Which is why the law was changed.

In 1982, the Crimes Act 1900 (NSW) was amended by the Crimes (Domestic Violence) Amendment Act 1982 (NSW) to introduce apprehended domestic violence orders in NSW. AVOs could be made for the protection of a person living in a marriage or those living together ‘as husband and wife on a bona fide domestic basis’. In 1983, the protection was extended to cover those who had previously been married or living in a de facto relationship in recognition of the fact that violence frequently occurs after separation. In 1989, amendments extended the cover of persons eligible for protection under an ADVO to include a broad range of domestic relationships.

In 2007, the law about AVOs was removed from the Crimes Act 1900 into a stand-alone Act, the Crimes (Domestic and Personal Violence) Act 2007 (NSW). In 2011, the NSW Department of Attorney General and Justice commenced a statutory review of the Crimes (Domestic and Personal Violence) Act 2007 (NSW). The report into that review is yet to be released but it is expected there will be further changes to the laws around ADVOs in response to the review.

http://legalanswers.sl.nsw.gov.au/apprehended-violence-orders/about-avos

Yes the laws have changed. I know in school there was also physical punishment on kids back in the day. But yet the violence in a child's home still is epedemic. Most child sex abuse also happens in the child's home, from people they are supposed to be able to trust, their parents. It's a pretty messed up situation all round really.

 

[sosocurious]

The investigator leading the search for missing boy William Tyrrell has said "the strongest likelihood" is that police have already encountered his kidnapper.

Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin of the NSW Police Homicide Squad said he thought it was "highly likely" police had already come across the perpetrator of the crime.

"The strongest likelihood is that we've already got the name of the person involved," he said.

"I would be sweating."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2...ghly-likely-police-have-encountered-kidnapper.

Come across, encountered, got the name.

Did Jubes ever say interviewed?