Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[SouthAussie]

Mr Hoyles also said $30,000 equity his client has in a property could be offered as surety.
http://www.portnews.com.au/story/3121114/spedding-applies-for-bail/

The court heard Spedding's brother, David, would put up his life savings - $100,000 - as surety, and his wife, Margaret, had stated that no children would live with them if her husband was granted bail.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/spedding-granted-bail-over-sex-charges

Not much unless it is well hidden.
imo

Rodney also seemed very concerned that his father's livelihood was ruined.
Plus any family benefits - and rent assistance - they had been receiving would no longer be forthcoming, as the grandchildren had been removed due to his treatment of children. Back to plain old age pension, which is a pittance and barely enough to get by, according to pensioners in MSM.

I agree. I don't think they were rolling in the dough. A repairman and pawn shop owner, in small country towns.


Rodney Spedding defended his father on Tuesday and said the attention had ruined his livelihood ....
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-tyrrell-bush-search-fails-to-recover-evidence-20150304-13umkd.html


TRADESMAN Bill Spedding was *interviewed by Family and Community Services about his treatment of children just days before detectives began investigating him over the disappearance of little William Tyrell.
Three of the children who had been living with him and his wife have since been removed ....
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...e/news-story/73350ebd1be700109fa5a5eb5bb06d0c

 

[Hbayne]

(quote)
Officers removed the crime scene tape at around 9am, after forensic police and an excavation crew searched the semi-rural property at Bonny Hills yesterday.

The home is rented by Bill and Margaret Spedding, who’ve lived on the north coast for only a few years.
http://www.nbnnews.com.au/2015/01/22/police-wrap-up-search-of-bonny-hills-property/

Rented, thankyou, not an asset

 

[Karinna]

Yes I saw that, hence my response to your quote.


I said I would find the article that said:

“Police have been informed the offences … were not pursued formally by police at the time of disclosure due to concerns as to the welfare of the victims, given their tender age,” a fact sheet said

http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...g/news-story/2a8a51819720492213582b8d70dc61da


From this statement I would assume that the accusations occurred around April 1987, I also have to assume that the Crown Prosecutor has evidence of this (maybe the medical reports).

The crown, however, said Hillsley’s parole was revoked in January 1987.
“That is quite an important point. As of April 1987, (Hillsley) was out of the picture. There is no evidence to suggest he was hanging around or had access to the girls at that time,” the Crown said.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...y/news-story/9ca4201c0bbd0e6a7cd836b562a54a23

If there were a chance that the abuse occurred earlier, like in January when Hillsley was out, it would be noted in the medical reports that the injury was dated.

I really don't think any mother would wait 3 months to report an injury of that nature.

That is the part i don't get, if there is a child rapist/paedo. on the loose why wouldn't he be prosecuted at the time? It's not like a 3 and 6 yr.old would have to testify in court because there would be doctor and psychological notes by professionals to testify to the crime in court. Why would he be free to inflict more pain on any further victims in his wake, doesn't make sense IMO, and what a travesty.
Yet Hillsley's victims were mentioned to the crimes he committed against them and rightfully incarcerated for them.
Something is not right with that story IMO.

 

[Karinna]

Rented, thankyou, not an asset

Yes the home that was raided by police was rented but they had their own previous property they owned. Whether an apartment or a different home i'm not sure? They were looking after other children that were removed after WT went missing, and BS arrested for historical child SA.

 

[SouthAussie]

From this statement I would assume that the accusations occurred around April 1987, I also have to assume that the Crown Prosecutor has evidence of this (maybe the medical reports).

RSBM

I notice that quite a few articles say April and May. Some say April/May.

Spedding is alleged to have inflicted the abuse in April and May, 1987.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...s/news-story/6af1e4e9dfe5cc917e88dfe3d6f66702

Spedding is accused of sexually assaulting the two girls in a caravan in Campbelltown in April/May 1987.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-seeks-bail-over-historical-sex-abuse-charges


I see that Easter was the weekend of 17th-20th April in 1987. Mothers Day was 10th May.
I wonder if that helped the now-adult children with their recollection at all.

http://www.calendar-australia.com/holidays/1987/

 

[sosocurious]

i think colin youngberry mentioned ages ago how bs had moved from wellington
to be with ms to a bigger property to raise his step grandchildren?
cant find the msm link though









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Until four years ago Spedding, an electrician, and Margaret had lived in western NSW at Coonabarabran and Wellington. Four years ago they moved back to the mid-north coast, where Margaret was raised. They initially bought a unit, but sold that when they took on the guardianship of Margaret’s three grandchildren, and moved into larger rented premises to accommodate the boys, who came across from Wellington.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...rs-disappearance/story-e6frg6z6-1227195227854
Suspicion torments NSW community as police probe toddler’s disappearance

But it seems BS stayed in Wellington for a bit longer. :dunno:
https://www.wellingtontimes.com.au/story/1222981/speddos-new-owner-to-make-town-first-choice/

 

[sosocurious]

Rodney also seemed very concerned that his father's livelihood was ruined.
Plus any family benefits - and rent assistance - they had been receiving would no longer be forthcoming, as the grandchildren had been removed due to his treatment of children. Back to plain old age pension, which is a pittance and barely enough to get by, according to pensioners in MSM.

I agree. I don't think they were rolling in the dough. A repairman and pawn shop owner, in small country towns.


Rodney Spedding defended his father on Tuesday and said the attention had ruined his livelihood ....
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-tyrrell-bush-search-fails-to-recover-evidence-20150304-13umkd.html


TRADESMAN Bill Spedding was *interviewed by Family and Community Services about his treatment of children just days before detectives began investigating him over the disappearance of little William Tyrell.
Three of the children who had been living with him and his wife have since been removed ....
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...e/news-story/73350ebd1be700109fa5a5eb5bb06d0c

Him maybe needing to take little rests on the office mattress because of his Ross River fever. He was ailing.
Sorry

 

[sosocurious]

That is the part i don't get, if there is a child rapist/paedo. on the loose why wouldn't he be prosecuted at the time? It's not like a 3 and 6 yr.old would have to testify in court because there would be doctor and psychological notes by professionals to testify to the crime in court. Why would he be free to inflict more pain on any further victims in his wake, doesn't make sense IMO, and what a travesty.
Yet Hillsley's victims were mentioned to the crimes he committed against them and rightfully incarcerated for them.
Something is not right with that story IMO.

1. Because of the welfare of the children at the time.

2. Hillsley admitted to being guilty and did not blame someone else.

 

[JLZ]

That is the part i don't get, if there is a child rapist/paedo. on the loose why wouldn't he be prosecuted at the time? It's not like a 3 and 6 yr.old would have to testify in court because there would be doctor and psychological notes by professionals to testify to the crime in court. Why would he be free to inflict more pain on any further victims in his wake, doesn't make sense IMO, and what a travesty.
Yet Hillsley's victims were mentioned to the crimes he committed against them and rightfully incarcerated for them.
Something is not right with that story IMO.

Compare Dylan Farrow's story. I believe it happened a lot, that men weren't prosecuted ostensibly to spare the child.

 

[Karinna]

1. Because of the welfare of the children at the time.

2. Hillsley admitted to being guilty and did not blame someone else.

Yes he did admit to it and had absolutely no problem with that. Wonder if he ever admitted to abuse against his nieces or was ever questioned about it? He did admit to stealing an article/s of one of his nieces clothing and admitted to wanting to sexually molest her too. His father also warned him against taking the little girls into his bedroom. It's in the Federal court document.

 

[SouthAussie]

That is the part i don't get, if there is a child rapist/paedo. on the loose why wouldn't he be prosecuted at the time? It's not like a 3 and 6 yr.old would have to testify in court because there would be doctor and psychological notes by professionals to testify to the crime in court. Why would he be free to inflict more pain on any further victims in his wake, doesn't make sense IMO, and what a travesty.
Yet Hillsley's victims were mentioned to the crimes he committed against them and rightfully incarcerated for them.
Something is not right with that story IMO.

There is no point in trying to convince a person if they do not want to believe the children when they clearly identified who 'hurt' them.

However, if you read about the many child sex offences in the 80s, that are only now being prosecuted, you may begin to see for yourself that it was a sign of the times. They thought they were protecting the children, that the children would forget about it. We now know that is a very wrong way of thinking.

You can see by the few examples I have provided (there are HEAPS of them) that the culture did not encourage prosecution at the time. I am sure not all of these victims kept the assaults to themselves.

Recent trials for sex offences committed between the 1960s and 80s have raised many questions about how those convicted of historic offences are dealt with by the courts and how the consequences of such a passage of time between offence and sentence should be considered.
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/blog/post/how-sentencing-of-historic-offenders-works/

It will be alleged that the incidents occurred in the early 1980s and involved multiple victims.
The arrested man has been charged with seven counts of indecent assault and three counts of persistent sexual exploitation of a child.
http://www.news.com.au/national/sou...s/news-story/e180dd797f738167a0918a83bce2fd2d

Detectives from Oxley Local Area Command launched an investigation in 2015 following reports a teenage boy was sexually and indecently assaulted by a man known to him between 1983 and 1986 in Gunnedah.
He was charged with 20 historical child sex offences ....
http://www.theland.com.au/story/4772897/man-charged-with-20-historical-child-sex-offences/

Retired dentist Werner Otto Schwarz found guilty of molesting boys in 1980s ...
http://www.northerndailyleader.com....tist-guilty-of-historical-child-sex-offences/

 

[JLZ]

1. Because of the welfare of the children at the time.

2. Hillsley admitted to being guilty and did not blame someone else.

Yes if the accused pleaded guilty that would make all the difference. There would be no trial as such. Victims would not need to testify.

 

[frogwell]

From the piece that soso posted, it sounds as if just the calls from and to William's grandmother in the morning were not there. Presumably because they didn't actually happen.

Somehow I have always believed that he told grandma earlier that he would be back on Friday morning because he would have/did have the part by then. No further phone calls required.

The story about that seems to have evolved from what I have posted below, to Spedding saying in his video that there was no intention to go there that morning (despite what he apparently told his son). A constantly moving story ....

"Mr Spedding said his father had told him that he was supposed to repair a washing machine at the Kendall house where William disappeared from on September 12."
http://www.smh.com.au/national/willi...29-1mvs9b.html

"A close friend, Colin, said Mr Spedding did not return to the grandmother's house with a spare part for the washing machine on the day William went missing because he could not get in contact with her."
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-spedd...22-1mqkeq.html

In regards to the 1st quote, it is not a direct quote from RS, if they copied his words verbatim then I think there might be a comma missing between the words "house" and "where", thereby changing the whole meaning of the sentence.

 

[Karinna]

Until four years ago Spedding, an electrician, and Margaret had lived in western NSW at Coonabarabran and Wellington. Four years ago they moved back to the mid-north coast, where Margaret was raised. They initially bought a unit, but sold that when they took on the guardianship of Margaret’s three grandchildren, and moved into larger rented premises to accommodate the boys, who came across from Wellington.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...rs-disappearance/story-e6frg6z6-1227195227854
Suspicion torments NSW community as police probe toddler’s disappearance

But it seems BS stayed in Wellington for a bit longer. :dunno:
https://www.wellingtontimes.com.au/story/1222981/speddos-new-owner-to-make-town-first-choice/

Cool, the lady of all the links & info, thanks,

 

[sosocurious]

I think I remember the foster mum speaking of that phone call during her ACA (?) interview, and she said that she told him that now was not a good time. She said his call was in the arvo. Why do I think that she even said around 2pm? And wasn't that the time of Spedding's job in Dunbogan?

He told police he had been to the toddler's grandmother's home in the days before he went missing to look at fixing her washing machine.

On Friday, September 12, he said he missed a call from the grandmother's phone and told police and family he tried to call back but got no answer.

He claimed he went to have coffee with his wife in Laurieton and then watched his grandson receive a school award.
Later that afternoon Mr Spedding claimed he called William's grandmother's phone again and a member of the toddler's family answered, said they were busy and he would have to call back.
Mr Spedding told police and his family he never went to Kendall that day.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...andparent-support-groups-20150905-gjfrug.html
15 Sept 2015.

This later in the year Bill said .............
I guess the phone records were in...

 

[SouthAussie]

"Mr Spedding said his father had told him that he was supposed to repair a washing machine at the Kendall house where William disappeared from on September 12."
http://www.smh.com.au/national/willi...29-1mvs9b.html

"A close friend, Colin, said Mr Spedding did not return to the grandmother's house with a spare part for the washing machine on the day William went missing because he could not get in contact with her."
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-spedd...22-1mqkeq.html

In regards to the 1st quote, it is not a direct quote from RS, if they copied his words verbatim then I think there might be a comma missing between the words "house" and "where", thereby changing the whole meaning of the sentence.

Why would you think that, frogwell?

 

[Karinna]

There is no point in trying to convince a person if they do not want to believe the children when they clearly identified who 'hurt' them.

However, if you read about the many child sex offences in the 80s, that are only now being prosecuted, you may begin to see for yourself that it was a sign of the times. They thought they were protecting the children, that the children would forget about it. We now know that is a very wrong way of thinking.

You can see by the few examples I have provided (there are HEAPS of them) that the culture did not encourage prosecution at the time. I am sure not all of these victims kept the assaults to themselves.

Yes be that as it may, i am going by what has been mentioned by the courts in BS's historical case, and that has been a determination made by an authority of the court in the system in Australia in granting BS bail at the time.

 

[frogwell]

RSBM

I notice that quite a few articles say April and May. Some say April/May.

Spedding is alleged to have inflicted the abuse in April and May, 1987.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...s/news-story/6af1e4e9dfe5cc917e88dfe3d6f66702

Spedding is accused of sexually assaulting the two girls in a caravan in Campbelltown in April/May 1987.
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-seeks-bail-over-historical-sex-abuse-charges


I see that Easter was the weekend of 17th-20th April in 1987. Mothers Day was 10th May.
I wonder if that helped the now-adult children with their recollection at all.

http://www.calendar-australia.com/holidays/1987/

[B]Court documents allege the abuse took place in March and April 1987,[/B] including in a caravan on a property belonging to one of Mr Spedding’s friends in Campbelltown, south-west Sydney.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-Tyrrell-3-Kendall-NSW-12-Sept-2014-30/page17

the 3 year old victim is the one who identified "Bill did it" and she is the victim who has no memory of the event. GH went back to jail 4-8 weeks prior to this alleged event. There are motivations to name BS as the perp for this attack.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-sped...ion-on-unrelated-charges-20150422-1mqkeq.html
Rodney Spedding and his wife Aimy told Fairfax Media they would fully support Mr Spedding after hearing the news of his arrest on Wednesday.
"These are fresh allegations and we don't believe them to be true," the pair said.

It appears at the time of the arrest there were fresh allegations from one of the victims connected to Victoria. At the bail appeal the judge said that they were not evidence but unsubstantiated allegations. After these allegations were passed onto taskforce Sano, then charges were laid, some months later.

 

[sosocurious]

"Mr Spedding said his father had told him that he was supposed to repair a washing machine at the Kendall house where William disappeared from on September 12."
http://www.smh.com.au/national/willi...29-1mvs9b.html

"A close friend, Colin, said Mr Spedding did not return to the grandmother's house with a spare part for the washing machine on the day William went missing because he could not get in contact with her."
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-spedd...22-1mqkeq.html

In regards to the 1st quote, it is not a direct quote from RS, if they copied his words verbatim then I think there might be a comma missing between the words "house" and "where", thereby changing the whole meaning of the sentence.

He says his father was due to go to William’s grandmother’s house on the day William disappeared, to fix her washing machine, but “he went to an award ceremony at the school, where one of the boys was getting an award, so he ended up going there rather than going out on that day to William’s grandmother’s”. He says his father told him that he phoned the grandmother to say he would not be coming to fix the washing machine.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078
How could toddler William Tyrrell simply vanish into thin air?

BBM appears to be a direct quote.

 

[JLZ]

He says his father was due to go to William’s grandmother’s house on the day William disappeared, to fix her washing machine, but “he went to an award ceremony at the school, where one of the boys was getting an award, so he ended up going there rather than going out on that day to William’s grandmother’s”. He says his father told him that he phoned the grandmother to say he would not be coming to fix the washing machine.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078
How could toddler William Tyrrell simply vanish into thin air?

BBM appears to be a direct quote.

And phoning the grandmother to say that he would not be coming appears to be a different situation to phoning and being told it wasn't convenient for him to come.

He does indeed seem to be claiming that he made two calls. Nice if they've caught him in a lie.