Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #34

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It concerns me if the search is to rule out misadventure. I would hope that whatever evidence the Strikeforce has collected over the last 3+ years that it would compellingly point to a particular POI/'s and scenario of what has happened to WT. When BS was first arrested on historical allegations, it concerned me that the police had signalled prior to the media that he is their main suspect at the time in WT's disappearance. It occurred to me then that we will be waiting until the historical charges are dealt with and hopefully found guilty to supply a motive for why WT was taken. Since the police have cast doubt in the media over BS alibi, they have provided nothing publicly to show that BS was anywhere other than where he said he was. If they have that proof, when are they going to slap him with it? If they don't even have that proof.......then WTF? IMO

If the time is right for this search, was the ending of this search to coincide with possible court commitments of BS if he is not found guilty of the Victorian historical charges?
 
  • #382
Unfortunately our bush is full of discarded rubbish of all shapes and sizes.
From prams to old car bodies.

Just jumping off your post, tgy.

According to the report on The Project last night, they had spent yesterday clearing the land where the toy and other items were found. We have no idea what the other items are. Maybe they are important/indicative/worth clearing the land and sending dogs in, getting soil samples, forensically testing it all.
 
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If the time is right for this search, was the ending of this search to coincide with possible court commitments of BS if he is not found guilty of the Victorian historical charges?

Maybe Spedding is now indisposed, due to the Vic charges, and someone has come forward with a tip or two? If they are comfortable that he is out of the way for a while.
The locals seem to think a tip was provided, and if that is true I would think that it is a tip to be taken very seriously, due to the resources being pumped into this extensive search.
 
  • #384
I agree with you regarding convicting without a body. There would be too much reasonable doubt.

Hopefully this won’t have the sameness outcome.

He buried the body and lied to police, but Michael Atkins won't go to jail
The man who buried his body 10 years ago and lied about it for more than nine years will not be going to jail, because of a deal made by police with approval from grieving parents Mark and Faye Leveson, who just wanted to find their son.
He buried the body and lied to police, but Michael Atkins won't go to jail — here's why
 
  • #385
Maybe Spedding is now indisposed, due to the Vic charges, and someone has come forward with a tip or two? If they are comfortable that he is out of the way for a while.
The locals seem to think a tip was provided, and if that is true I would think that it is a tip to be taken very seriously, due to the resources being pumped into this extensive search.
Iv'e seen one facebook post saying they are doing this search from a tip that was received, then the poster said, from what she had seen reported. That's all I've seen.
 
  • #386
For me it would depend on the evidence they have. For example if they had an individual(s) on tape admitting what they had done and forensic evidence supporting it I could convict especially with no death penalty in Australia.

Yes!
They had Cowen’s confession on tape and film but still our hero’s went that extra mile to find Daniel especially for his grieving parents.

Our cops are truly amazing. I’m sure they have angel wings tucked under their bullet proof vests.

It’s great to have you with us gregj.
 
  • #387
Yes indeed.
I find it more amazing that BC spoke to the media and told them he had been digging with his shovel in the bush. Just when a forensic search was taking place.
More amazing his Ma is sprouting to the media, it is a waste of time. You will not find him.
I assume she must have told BC the same thing.
imo

So now BC’s DNA is throughout the bush? Mmmm so now he could say ‘of course my DNA is there, I’ve been up there...digging, yeah that’s my cigarette butts’

I wonder if they can tell how long DNA has been there.
Interesting soso.

Ahhh but the parents have been excluded haven’t they.
I’d best not go there.
 
  • #388
Iv'e seen one facebook post saying they are doing this search from a tip that was received, then the poster said, from what she had seen reported. That's all I've seen.

Yes. Apparently, it was mentioned on TV. (Post by P&G in the last thread.)
If there was a tip over last weekend, the police are keeping very tight-lipped about it. Which could mean they consider it valuable, and got this search launched within 3 days of the tip.


'There was a new tip off on the weekend they need to go back over it it was on t.v. just now.'

Port Macquarie News

Think I'm allowed to post this given it's a news page. If not, can someone please help me delete it or I'll self report.


Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #33
 
  • #389
Yes!
They had Cowen’s confession on tape and film but still our hero’s went that extra mile to find Daniel especially for his grieving parents.

Our cops are truly amazing. I’m sure they have angel wings tucked under their bullet proof vests.

It’s great to have you with us gregj.

I’m thinking about Daniel’s case a lot along with William’s. I think we are going to be shocked by how much evidence law enforcement have in William’s case and the lengths they went to in order to get it. We may have thought the case had been at a standstill for a while but I bet a lot has been going on behind closed doors.

Detective Jubelin is not going to rest until William has been found and a person(s) have been convicted for what they have done. You can tell this case has personally affected him by his demeanour and the words he has used.

It is great to have you and everyone here to discuss developments and support justice for William.
 
  • #390
I’m thinking about Daniel’s case a lot along with William’s. I think we are going to be shocked by how much evidence law enforcement have in William’s case and the lengths they went to in order to get it. We may have thought the case had been at a standstill for a while but I bet a lot has been going on behind closed doors.

Detective Jubelin is not going to rest until William has been found and a person(s) have been convicted for what they have done. You can tell this case has personally affected him by his demeanour and the words he has used.

It is great to have you and everyone here to discuss developments and support justice for William.

I agree with you so much, greg. I think it is likely that there is a ton of evidence, too. The Prosecutor just needs William, or conclusive proof he did not have a 'misadventure'.

I have felt for a long time that the Prosecutor is holding up any charges in this case. Because they know reasonable doubt can be created, due to lack of William.
The reward hinges on finding William, and I do not believe that is solely to give the parents peace.

But many, many cases have been successfully tried sans victim.
The police just need to close the loopholes.
 
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So now BC’s DNA is throughout the bush? Mmmm so now he could say ‘of course my DNA is there, I’ve been up there...digging, yeah that’s my cigarette butts’

I wonder if they can tell how long DNA has been there.
Interesting soso.

Ahhh but the parents have been excluded haven’t they.
I’d best not go there.

Yes they have.
NC must have given up on sharing a house with her besty.
 
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I'm interested to hear what you think is likely to happen from this point, given this search and the comments from people this week (BC, NC, etc). I'm thinking there's the following scenarios:

1) This search is 3km2 because that's what the coroner needs to "rule out" misadventure if it goes to inquest, and therefore 4 weeks and 3km2 it is, with state planning mapping used, testing equipment, dogs, shovels, every house paver tested, every "mine shaft" and "nook and cranny" checked (not sure there are even mine shafts in the search area, but I noticed in ACA's interview with Jubelin, it was mentioned and Jubelin didn't say there weren't any in the bushland). This scenario is both depressing (ie maybe the police don't have many leads, no-one has responded to the reward, etc) and encouraging (they need to rule out misadventure because they know it was human intervention and who did the act, but not where William is - therefore a criminal conviction (body or not) may go ahead via the inquest).

2) This search is 3km2 because, through covert investigations or tip off, they know where to look in general but not specific square metre, and are looking for either a burial site or items that they strongly suspect or know are there. This is both distressing (burial site) and relieving (closure may be on its way - to conviction or William's location - alive or passed).

3) This search is (1) and Jubelin is taking the opportunity to show via media specific tools and items being found (police officers walking openly down a street, almost parading), as a last ditch effort to draw out the person responsible, as SF Rosann's last opportunity if you like - using smoke and mirrors to turn those screws - but it is mostly for show. I personally don't think this is the case, because it is going for 4 weeks with 50 specialist staff. If you think about what this means $ wise, let's assume 50 staff members are being paid $1000 a week at least (I think it would be higher for specialist staff but let's look at minimum numbers here), that's $50,000 per week x 4 = $200,000. Then the equipment, management time, admin support, media liaison officers - you could argue that this is a $500,000+ exercise here. That's not going to be done unless a) no-one has taken the reward and that reward is taken off the table after this exercise so they are spending it on this last ditch effort - or b) there's a reason for this search (as Jubelin has said) and it is not just "for show". They could have done a week's search "for show" and ruffled feathers of a perp. Why four weeks? Because they need that to do the actual job.

Personally, I think it's either 1) doing all they can before a coronial inquest because they need to rule out misadventure before trying to convict someone (but they may never find William); or (2) This is a search for a reason and I think BC going back to the bushland over the past two weeks has something to do with that. Not implying he has anything to do with William's disappearance (I adhere to the rules on this site).

What do you think, WSers? Are there other options that you think are possible?

The only additional option I can think of for 3 sq km being set as the search area is that it equates to approximately 1 sq mi. I’ve read a lot of documents about abducted/murdered children (mostly from OS) and after 200 yd that seems to be the next most likely area where they (or their remains) are found.

It think the search serves two purposes, both of which can be termed ‘forensic’ — searching for items of possible evidentiary value for scientific testing and to satisfy a court of law (either coronial or criminal) in the future that William was not a victim of misadventure.
 
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I am wondering why the planning council members are involved. Perhaps they and the forestry department are helping them with boundaries, because maybe a warrant has been given for all areas that were Kendall Forest property at a given point in time.

They definitely seem free to move about within external areas around there.

Maybe the planning council has historic plans for those properties and forest. Say old septic tanks or pits.
Local Planning and zoning
 
  • #395
I'm surprised the 'greenies & tree huggers' aren't out in force complaining of the disruption of the environment.

Hey! I’m a freebie (ETA not a freebie :D :D a GREENIE - damn autocorrect!) and a treehugger :D But some things are just more important. Like finding out what happened to a little boy who has been abducted and to bring the perp to justice.
 
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The one thing that stays with me. Is the fact that BS came back to fix the washer in the days after William disappeared. Why? I am guessing that was on invite.
NC says that the police knocked on BC and KT door at 4:30 pm and arrested them. Why? If the search was for a little boy lost.
The parents are cleared. But it does indicate if NC is being honest that the police were considering other reasons for William vanishing promptly.
 
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Hey! I’m a freebie (ETA not a freebie :D :D a GREENIE - damn autocorrect!) and a treehugger :D But some things are just more important. Like finding out what happened to a little boy who has been abducted and to bring the perp to justice.

I totally agree. I am pleased that Detective Jubelin has said the locals have been very co-operative and helpful in helping to find William. It can’t be easy for them living with the media intrusion and with the forensic search going on.
 
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Yes indeed.
I find it more amazing that BC spoke to the media and told them he had been digging with his shovel in the bush. Just when a forensic search was taking place.
More amazing his Ma is sprouting to the media, it is a waste of time. You will not find him.
I assume she must have told BC the same thing.
imo

BBM. Yep, apparently it's OK for BC to be digging around but not the police :rolleyes:
 
  • #399
The one thing that stays with me. Is the fact that BS came back to fix the washer in the days after William disappeared. Why? I am guessing that was on invite.
NC says that the police knocked on BC and KT door at 4:30 pm and arrested them. Why? If the search was for a little boy lost.
The parents are cleared. But it does indicate if NC is being honest that the police were considering other reasons for William vanishing promptly.

Perhaps he wanted to keep things normal and went back so as not to draw attention to himself if he cancelled. It would also give him the chance to get insider details of how the investigation into William’s disappearance was going.
 
  • #400
It concerns me if the search is to rule out misadventure. I would hope that whatever evidence the Strikeforce has collected over the last 3+ years that it would compellingly point to a particular POI/'s and scenario of what has happened to WT. When BS was first arrested on historical allegations, it concerned me that the police had signalled prior to the media that he is their main suspect at the time in WT's disappearance. It occurred to me then that we will be waiting until the historical charges are dealt with and hopefully found guilty to supply a motive for why WT was taken. Since the police have cast doubt in the media over BS alibi, they have provided nothing publicly to show that BS was anywhere other than where he said he was. If they have that proof, when are they going to slap him with it? If they don't even have that proof.......then WTF? IMO
Personally, I believe that the whole BS mess is a big distraction.
 
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