Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #43

[drsleuth]

I think there will be a lot that we won't be told or find out about the investigations.

It's still an active investigation.

 

[they'll get you]

SouthAussie I just feel if PS had been Jubelins main focus for a long time we would have known. There was nothing subtle the way he went after BS. i think he would have done the same to PS, thats why i wonder if and when he changed tack, and was he ordered to.

Just thinking if the perp believed BS was going down for the abduction and the cop was being your best friend and believing you are the best guy in the world, then maybe you could slip up. Is that the reasons for recording? Off the record stuff?

 

[interested64]

IMO - Maybe the cars were not even there!

imo maybe they were

 

[they'll get you]

I’ve lowered my expectations so much on what I hope to learn from inquest, that now I’d be happy just to know who Jubelin suspects, and why.

Remember to the incredible lengths our boyz in blue got that mongrel Cowan who murdered Daniel Morcombe. It took them 11(?) years and an inquest.

The POIs were known by numbers but as soon as Cowan walked in both the Morcombes KNEW it was him.

Our cops got the murderer and recovered Daniel’s remains for his parents.

I hope someone is boiling the kettle again for Cowan....cuppa anyone?

 

[SouthAussie]

Has everyone noticed that Savage has hired a solicitor AND a barrister to represent him at the inquest?
Having been away for a while, I have only just noticed that.


Mr Savage has retained a solicitor and a barrister and is expected to be called as a witness.
https://www.anglenews.com/gary-jube...-detective-cheered-as-enters-not-guilty-plea/

The basic difference between barristers and solicitors is that a barrister mainly defends people in court and a solicitor mainly performs legal work outside court. However, there are exceptions in both cases. ... They also have specialist knowledge of the law and so are often called on to give legal advice.
Brightside Mentoring

Many barristers, for instance, charge between $1000 and $2000 a day. Senior barristers (QCs or SCs) can charge as much as $10,000 per day.
Lawyers

 

[Thebottomline]

Has everyone noticed that Savage has hired a solicitor AND a barrister to represent him at the inquest?
Having been away for a while, I have only just noticed that.


Mr Savage has retained a solicitor and a barrister and is expected to be called as a witness.
https://www.anglenews.com/gary-jube...-detective-cheered-as-enters-not-guilty-plea/

The basic difference between barristers and solicitors is that a barrister mainly defends people in court and a solicitor mainly performs legal work outside court. However, there are exceptions in both cases. ... They also have specialist knowledge of the law and so are often called on to give legal advice.
Brightside Mentoring

Many barristers, for instance, charge between $1000 and $2000 a day. Senior barristers (QCs or SCs) can charge as much as $10,000 per day.
Lawyers

Good pickup

 

[SLouTh]

I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade but most witnesses ( actually all witnesses) are usually represented by a barrister and a solicitor for a coroners inquest ... even if you are innocent.. there is usually a large line of them in front of the coroner.... all of whom can ask questions .. or refrain ... for every witness....

The other frustrating part of coroners inquests is that unless there is some major previously unknown information gained,.......
is that all parties most likely know the outcome of the inquest before it even began.... that is the Barristers and Solicitors.... would already know the main outcomes....

I think the main outcomes of the inquest will be focused on FACs policies and procedures along with Police Policies and Procedures.... the government agencies ... to improve them for future case management ... this MOO...

 

[they'll get you]

Considering that Jubes is charged with recording Savage on 4 occasions between November 3, 2017, and December 28, 2018 (see below link - more than a year). And that the disagreement with Lambert was reported in August 2018 - it seems that Jubes was investigating Savage for quite a while. Well before and after his disagreement with Lambert.

Was Spedding ever Jubes' sole focus, or is that a perpetuated illusion?
Hans Rupp was in charge when Spedding was intensively searched, not Jubes.
Hans Rupp was in charge when Spedding was brought in for his 10-page statement.
Hans Rupp was in charge when police wanted to know why Spedding deleted his call log.


https://www.anglenews.com/gary-jube...-detective-cheered-as-enters-not-guilty-plea/

You are GOLD SA!

 

[they'll get you]

Has everyone noticed that Savage has hired a solicitor AND a barrister to represent him at the inquest?
Having been away for a while, I have only just noticed that.


Mr Savage has retained a solicitor and a barrister and is expected to be called as a witness.
https://www.anglenews.com/gary-jube...-detective-cheered-as-enters-not-guilty-plea/

The basic difference between barristers and solicitors is that a barrister mainly defends people in court and a solicitor mainly performs legal work outside court. However, there are exceptions in both cases. ... They also have specialist knowledge of the law and so are often called on to give legal advice.
Brightside Mentoring

Many barristers, for instance, charge between $1000 and $2000 a day. Senior barristers (QCs or SCs) can charge as much as $10,000 per day.
Lawyers

Question, PS was via audio/video at the first inquest stating he had no representation and was advised to get it. Am I right there?
Well if it was PS who took Jubes down for recording him then he must have had legal representation then.
Have I got the time-lines right?

 

[SouthAussie]

I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade but most witnesses ( actually all witnesses) are usually represented by a barrister and a solicitor for a coroners inquest ... even if you are innocent.. there is usually a large line of them in front of the coroner.... all of whom can ask questions .. or refrain ... for every witness....

The other frustrating part of coroners inquests is that unless there is some major previously unknown information gained,.......
is that all parties most likely know the outcome of the inquest before it even began.... that is the Barristers and Solicitors.... would already know the main outcomes....

I think the main outcomes of the inquest will be focused on FACs policies and procedures along with Police Policies and Procedures.... the government agencies ... to improve them for future case management ... this MOO...

That is interesting. Do you know why?

From what I understand in this instance, everyone else has either a lawyer or a barrister, not both.

 

[Seabreeze1]

Totally off topic but am I the only one who thinks Jubes is a bit of alright?

 

[SouthAussie]

Totally off topic but am I the only one who thinks Jubes is a bit of alright?

Hahaha .... get in line!

 

[Seabreeze1]

Hahaha .... get in line!

Damn it!!!

 

[SLouTh]

SA ... I can’t get the quote thing to work...

The Barrister asks the questions....and objects etc on your behalf.... the Solicitors sit behind them ... and do all the hard work prior with gathering relevant info etc and handing that to the Barrister if required ... the solicitor can also leave the court to find additional info if required ... I hope that makes sense??

 

[they'll get you]

Totally off topic but am I the only one who thinks Jubes is a bit of alright?

Hell no!
There’s a few here who think he’s very alright.

 

[they'll get you]

Damn it!!!

 

[SouthAussie]

SA ... I can’t get the quote thing to work...

The Barrister asks the questions....and objects etc on your behalf.... the Solicitors sit behind them ... and do all the hard work prior with gathering relevant info etc and handing that to the Barrister if required ... the solicitor can also leave the court to find additional info if required ... I hope that makes sense??

Yes, it does. Thanks.
Pretty pricey for those who hire a barrister. I guess Savage must really feel the need for that type of elevated representation at the inquest.

 

[SouthAussie]

Question, PS was via audio/video at the first inquest stating he had no representation and was advised to get it. Am I right there?
Well if it was PS who took Jubes down for recording him then he must have had legal representation then.
Have I got the time-lines right?

I don't know if it was Savage who took Jubes down. Although it could have been. (Savage did claim to have no legal representation at the prep for the inquest.)
If it was Savage, how did he find out that Jubes had recorded him? An intentional leak?

BBM
In his first public comments since his retirement, Jubelin said police were aware he had never attempted to conceal the fact he recorded the conversations.
Mark Leveson - ‘We feel that his success and high profile have embarrassed and upset a number of over ambitious superiors who have placed their own careers before the task they were sworn to do.
https://www.anglenews.com/gary-jube...-detective-cheered-as-enters-not-guilty-plea/

 

[SLouTh]

Yes, it does. Thanks.
Pretty pricey for those who hire a barrister. I guess Savage must really feel the need for that type of elevated representation at the inquest.

Yes... very expensive.... for a lot of this inquest you will find the Barrister bills are being picked up by the Government Agencies involved.. eg FACs and the Police - there will most likely also be Barrister for the Police Union as well ... to protect officers ...

However for individuals... extremely expensive ... especially as over a period of weeks...

 

[madoodi]

Just back to the cars... thanks to our amazing sleuths on here I was unaware of the maps pics of the cars. Perhaps and this is MOO, those cars belonged to a neighbour(s). The police, for their own reasons start suspecting TJ and realise they can match his car to one of the neighbours and get the FFC to "recall" seeing the cars, given them reason to seize or search his car. Of course all the while knowing who the cars belong to.
JMO IMOO