Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #62

[Reneemaree88]

I don't think they said he couldn't make a call. The issue was him doing a SKYPE call business meeting. I think it was more about doing so without the kids running around distracting him at the same time. And he had to pick up FGM's medication anyway, so why not drive a few minutes away to get both things done?

I wonder if it was a Skype video or just voice call? Did they ever find that out?

 

[PolyDot]

I fail to see why the police would spend millions of pounds on a witch hunt and then be sued on top. I have absolute faith they know what happened and they just need more evidence.

LE come across as knowing what happened after years of the case being botched.


MOO

Yes , with all the missteps previously in this case surely they wouldn’t be setting themselves up again for failure .
So we must assume that police now are on track .
However despite that I have a naggling feeling that this is a last ditch - search everything before it goes to cold case . Hoping that WT can finally be laid to rest .

 

[Tigerlily75]

There was a long term care order in place for both children until adulthood, family contact was extremely minimal, 6 times a year for 1-2 hours. Bio Mum also confirmed at the Inquest she was aware of potential for proceeding to adoption as it was referenced in a report I believe.

WS member’s notes from attending the Inquest:
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #40

William Tyrrell inquest: Biological father had a 'feeling' day he went missing | Daily Mail Online


IMO, the MSM reports RE adoption vary from FC’s making an informal enquiry to a formal petition. Based on the email discussion between case worker asking his superior about the process, and my own research into the system, I think it’s most likely to have been at informal enquiry stage. Seems Australian adoption process is an ‘open’ one.

https://www.facs.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/file/0004/336631/Open-Adoption-Information-for-Carers.pdf




William Tyrrell's foster father 'hysterical' when child went missing, inquest hears

Going by MFC’s testimony at the inquest, he went out to get a ‘strong’ connection for his conference call. This wouldn’t necessarily mean there was NO signal at the house IMO, just that it may have been a poor one he didn’t want to rely on for an important business call.

It’s possible he didn’t want boisterous, excited children as a distraction in the background. Entirely reasonable IMO. I have a toddler and a teen, working from home during Covid lockdown was certainly challenging at times.

Also, I did notice queries RE why the FC’s went to Kendall a day earlier. Apparently MFC had a cancelled meeting

William Tyrrell's foster-mother feared her daughter would be abduction target

Reading back Frogwell’s comments from the inquest is interesting, especially this:

In regards to listening to different people's testimony and what I find believable, I just would not want to venture an opinion yet until I have heard everyone. I wouldn't be satisfied just following MSM anymore on this case. I am baffled by the FM timeline. I believed the testimony of the bio parents and yet there seems to provide motive. The inquest seems incomplete without the FGM's evidence. I wish someone could corroborate the 2 cars on Benaroon Dr....MOO (Frogwell Mar 28, 2019).

I watched the 60 Minutes episode featuring the FP’s posted earlier, and have been listening to the 10 podcast also featuring the FP’s … and obviously I’m listening in light of this new information, but… I don’t trust FFC. I just don’t. I don’t find her genuine. She’s too wordy, she gives too much detail, she’s too cliché.

Does that make her a killer, no not necessarily. These are just my feelings today.

Her timeline of that morning was too much … I’m a parent. I just don’t find allll the games she played with William all before 9am believable. But who knows, maybe she is the perfect parent she portrays herself to be. I just don’t see how she even had time to go the bathroom.

Is there motive? A few things come to mind. All MOO. Speculation only. FFC appeared to not be coping with William’s behavior. He was being assessed for behavioral issues. She talks in the podcast about how William didn’t take to her, but bonded instantly with MFC. This could invoke all kinds of feelings. Jealousy is one, but also feelings of rejection and inadequacy. She upped his daycare from 2 days to 4 days. She wrote to FACS three days before William’s disappearance that she was thinking of “giving up or giving in” (on the potential adoption). The social workers talked amongst themselves about how a level of dysfunction is normal in foster kids, which may suggest they thought FFC wasn’t understanding, or coping, with that. She was over the visits with the bio family. It appears she had possibly had an easy time with the sister, and then came along boisterous William. I think there’s a lot that indicates she was struggling. Perhaps, she just didn’t want William anymore.

But there was one big problem: MFC adored William. And that’s quite the dilemma.

ALL MOO.

 

[SouthAussie]

And invented pedo's. Lets not forget Spedding here.

moo

As we all know, Hans Rupp ordered the searches of Spedding's properties primarily because ...

They had received a report that Spedding's vehicle was seen in the area at the time William disappeared
The record of FM's proven call to Spedding was (inexplicably, at the time) not found in his call log

No Cookies | Daily Telegraph

 

[Detective Willy]

These memories were assembled over time by FFC:

When FFC opens curtains/blinds around 7:30 AM, she sees the gunmetal grey car with the white car parked abnormally close behind it in an abnormal part of Ellendale Crescent. By her own admission, she thinks it’s odd, but forgets about it. No one else sees these cars.

About 60 - 90 minutes later, she is watching the kids ride their bikes on Benaroon Road. She watches someone in a dark grey/green car drive pass by to neighbours, turn in driveway, back out, and then drive back down passed FFC. She notices the guy was in his late 50s with an “old-timey beer belly.” WT’s sister sees car as well. FFC notices and makes eye contact with the man. Now, at this point, this exchange has to be compounded by the earlier sighting of the two cars parked with multiple abnormal elements.

I understand she recalls these details LATER. However, in the moment, she must be a little bit concerned. Not frightened, but CONCERNED. Yet, she thinks not to keep a more watchful eye on her children, even when WT’s roaring begins to trail later, and loses him from her eyesight. Then, FFC mistakenly *thinks* MFC is driving up due to WT’s fading roars (and surmising he's chasing after MFC’s car) or KNOWS MFC is driving up Benaroon Road (which would negate MFC actually having a view to strange people luring his foster son to strangely parked cars on Ellendale Crescent).

Also, did the biological parents even know where foster Nana’s home was? They didn’t even know foster family was taking trip until the state informed them. It *seems* ruling out the biological family would have taken very little time considering the facts, regardless of their history …

OMG the statement from FFC remembering so much detail of the guy in his late 50s with a beer belly driving past!! Isn't this the same woman that told the 000 receptionist there were no cars around? Suddenly recalling all these other things in so much detail!! How can you tell someone has a beer belly when they drive past?? Did he get out of the car and parade around for her? This seems so far fetched - I have never read this statement before. Can you post the link where this is from please?

 

[JayWill]

I don't believe that there is a motive in any parent murdering a child. It is just a lashing out violently most of the time, IMO.

 

[PolyDot]

I haven't yet seen that there is a 'new witness'. All I have read is that there is 'new information'.

As speculated previously, this new information could be that the Coroner has determined that:

FGM's car has not been forensically tested previously
The garden bed was not forensically tested previously
The garage floor was not forensically tested/x-rayed previously
The creek area was not searched to her satisfaction

There was a similar situation in June 2018 where a massive search was undertaken in specific areas around Benaroon Drive .... a massive search to seek 'forensic evidence', in conjunction with the Coroner.

These investigations can be as much to rule things out as to rule things in.

This nurse was an unknown source - she said friend of FA confessed to having knowledge
William Tyrrell inquest: Nurse's statement about patient's confession

maybe there are others

 

[TootsieFootsie]

New clue found despite heavy rains hampering search for William Tyrrell

8.17 am Nov 22

Behind paywall. Black piece of fabric found in the area where the pieces of "red string" were found.

Sent away for testing.

New group of searchers were inducted yesterday, to give a break to some officers who worked hard all last week.

 

[dragon52]

If the payout wasn’t for BS or PS .. who the sam heck was it?

Could it be AJ?

 

[PolyDot]

I don't believe that there is a motive in any parent murdering a child. It is just a lashing out violently most of the time, IMO.

Exactly ..I agree probable but the narrow window ,disposing of body , getting FGrandma & FD to cover up ,

 

[Deleted member 161976]

I wonder if it was a Skype video or just voice call? Did they ever find that out?

It was a GoTo meeting, all discussed previously, as per MFC statement in Lia Harris podcast. GoTo meetings when I used them around the same time were calls, no video.

 

[bearbear]

I’ve been reading through the Inquest threads and came across something that I couldn’t find a definitive answer to.

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MFC said he returned around 10:35 and drove into the garage. He met FFC, realised what was happening then ran around looking and calling out for WT. FFC called Police who arrived at 11:06.

First responder testified at the inquest that he did not search the garage or the cars. More specifically he stated:

“I would have tried to do it, but it was either locked or too heavy for a young child to lift himself’

Was the garage door open for MFC to just drive on in? Presumably, he closed it behind him?

Is that why LE have been focussing on the garage floor?


Police officer takes stand in Tyrrell inquest

Just wondering, if LE have gone back to the start then this could be one of the loose ends they’re tying up. Unless there is an explanation RE an auto door.

youd think mfc wouldnt need to park in the garage, surely thats where fgm parked her car normally, and it would be easier to use his car if it was just parked in the drive, and if he did park in the garage why would he spend time fiddling with the door if he knew wt was missing? i dont think the garage has internal access to the house either does it?

 

[sleepinoz]

Can anyone remember at the last search before this one when Jubelin was in charge that they all of a sudden dramatically moved to another area and he said words to the effect that "we don't search specific areas for no reason'. Was that Batar Creek Rd?

No, Herons Creek.

 

[SouthAussie]

Could it be AJ?

It could be any of them, but PB is the first one who jumps to mind, for me.
He always seemed to be the 'smartest' one of the first named POIs. imo

 

[dragon52]

Reading back Frogwell’s comments from the inquest is interesting, especially this:

In regards to listening to different people's testimony and what I find believable, I just would not want to venture an opinion yet until I have heard everyone. I wouldn't be satisfied just following MSM anymore on this case. I am baffled by the FM timeline. I believed the testimony of the bio parents and yet there seems to provide motive. The inquest seems incomplete without the FGM's evidence. I wish someone could corroborate the 2 cars on Benaroon Dr....MOO (Frogwell Mar 28, 2019).

I watched the 60 Minutes episode featuring the FP’s posted earlier, and have been listening to the 10 podcast also featuring the FP’s … and obviously I’m listening in light of this new information, but… I don’t trust FFC. I just don’t. I don’t find her genuine. She’s too wordy, she gives too much detail, she’s too cliché.

Does that make her a killer, no not necessarily. These are just my feelings today.

Her timeline of that morning was too much … I’m a parent. I just don’t find allll the games she played with William all before 9am believable. But who knows, maybe she is the perfect parent she portrays herself to be. I just don’t see how she even had time to go the bathroom.

Is there motive? A few things come to mind. All MOO. Speculation only. FFC appeared to not be coping with William’s behavior. He was being assessed for behavioral issues. She talks in the podcast about how William didn’t take to her, but bonded instantly with MFC. This could invoke all kinds of feelings. Jealousy is one, but also feelings of rejection and inadequacy. She upped his daycare from 2 days to 4 days. She wrote to FACS three days before William’s disappearance that she was thinking of “giving up or giving in” (on the potential adoption). The social workers talked amongst themselves about how a level of dysfunction is normal in foster kids, which may suggest they thought FFC wasn’t understanding, or coping, with that. She was over the visits with the bio family. It appears she had possibly had an easy time with the sister, and then came along boisterous William. I think there’s a lot that indicates she was struggling. Perhaps, she just didn’t want William anymore.

But there was one big problem: MFC adored William. And that’s quite the dilemma.

ALL MOO.

 

[Random-me]

A theory was that he had an accident and was placed in the bush where it was thought he'd be found.

if so, wouldn't they try to lead the search in that direction?

 

[dragon52]

I have been following this case off and on since Day 1 and I have never believed that William just vanished within 5 minutes and was abducted. The FC’s have always been suspicious in my opinion.

 

[SouthAussie]

It was a GoTo meeting, all discussed previously, as per MFC statement in Lia Harris podcast. GoTo meetings when I used them around the same time were calls, no video.

Yes ... it might have been without video. He needed a stable internet connection during the call, is all we really know.
I believe he was meeting with a Qld client (link provided previously) and perhaps this call involved internet data of some kind.


"A short time later, William Tyrrell's foster father arrived back from Lakewood, a 10-minute drive away, where he had gone in search of a better internet connection for a work conference call."
This is what we know about the William Tyrrell case

 

[sleepinoz]

If the payout wasn’t for BS or PS .. who the sam heck was it?

Definitely BS IMO - he has been the only person said to be suing. There was also suppression's around his taking action, and other charges.

Sky News that were the ones that reported the outcome of the person receiving $500 + costs, making it almost $1m - well that article has been removed.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...2a617c1c1463&usg=AOvVaw3GYuQKOOGVkk7HXqc6IeFo

 

[k-mac]

Reading back Frogwell’s comments from the inquest is interesting, especially this:

In regards to listening to different people's testimony and what I find believable, I just would not want to venture an opinion yet until I have heard everyone. I wouldn't be satisfied just following MSM anymore on this case. I am baffled by the FM timeline. I believed the testimony of the bio parents and yet there seems to provide motive. The inquest seems incomplete without the FGM's evidence. I wish someone could corroborate the 2 cars on Benaroon Dr....MOO (Frogwell Mar 28, 2019).

I watched the 60 Minutes episode featuring the FP’s posted earlier, and have been listening to the 10 podcast also featuring the FP’s … and obviously I’m listening in light of this new information, but… I don’t trust FFC. I just don’t. I don’t find her genuine. She’s too wordy, she gives too much detail, she’s too cliché.

Does that make her a killer, no not necessarily. These are just my feelings today.

Her timeline of that morning was too much … I’m a parent. I just don’t find allll the games she played with William all before 9am believable. But who knows, maybe she is the perfect parent she portrays herself to be. I just don’t see how she even had time to go the bathroom.

Is there motive? A few things come to mind. All MOO. Speculation only. FFC appeared to not be coping with William’s behavior. He was being assessed for behavioral issues. She talks in the podcast about how William didn’t take to her, but bonded instantly with MFC. This could invoke all kinds of feelings. Jealousy is one, but also feelings of rejection and inadequacy. She upped his daycare from 2 days to 4 days. She wrote to FACS three days before William’s disappearance that she was thinking of “giving up or giving in” (on the potential adoption). The social workers talked amongst themselves about how a level of dysfunction is normal in foster kids, which may suggest they thought FFC wasn’t understanding, or coping, with that. She was over the visits with the bio family. It appears she had possibly had an easy time with the sister, and then came along boisterous William. I think there’s a lot that indicates she was struggling. Perhaps, she just didn’t want William anymore.

But there was one big problem: MFC adored William. And that’s quite the dilemma.

ALL MOO.

This makes a lot of sense.

Can only imagine wanting children so badly...striving for the perfect life....

The build up and the let down of it not going to plan....it would be very hard to say out loud that you weren't coping.
Dealing with Williams bio's not letting go.....

On top of that, FM was grieving for her father and this was her first trip to Kendall since they buried him.
The raw sadness could have been a trigger for sure for something to break in a moment.

Its a very real possibilty.

moo