Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #63

[SleepyJoe]

it means what the?! If you're verified as a physician maybe, I'll take your post more seriously.

Also, I didn't say it was a 'roaring reflex'. Extending the mouth, widening the jaw for the roar causes the eyes to look up, otherwise to look directly at the camera, the chin comes down for the roar. A tongue depressor creates the same effect. imo

Hi PS, I didn't know there was any such thing as being verified. Thanks for pointing it out to me. And yes, I am a medical specialist with 3 decades + of experience in medicine and, due to my field, have a in-depth knowledge of physiological reflexes. You mentioned "reflex". A reflex is a specific word that indicates an automatic physiological response. There is no such thing that directs the eyes when one "roars".

 

[JayWill]

Were the previous threads and fabrics found in the search placed in paper evidence bags or yellow hazardous waste bags? This is the first have seen the yellow bag, other photos previously showed a paper bag.

Does it look like black fabric in the bag?

Wondering if this has been put in plastic as was found in the mud and wet or did they find blood or some other item on or in it that is considered hazardous?

Forensic archaeologist Tony Lowe and a police officer made their way over to the new part of the search site and were seen photographing the item, a small piece of black cloth, before placing it into an evidence bag.



Fresh images emerge in search for William Tyrrell

I kind of think that the waste bag might be used and wet face masks.

 

[EllaN1]

Hi PS, I didn't know there was any such thing as being verified. Thanks for pointing it out to me. And yes, I am a medical specialist with 3 decades + of experience in medicine and, due to my field, have a in-depth knowledge of physiological reflexes. You mentioned "reflex". A reflex is a specific word that indicates an automatic physiological response. There is no such thing that directs the eyes when one "roars".

reflex is a specific word that indicates an automatic physiological responseThere is no such thing that directs the eyes when one "roar
Yes, yes, yes a million likes from EllaN l

 

[they'll get you]

In other words, observations made by a member of the public who was not privy to everything that the Coroner heard is not relevant to the current investigation of a POI.

imo the information that was heard is relevant.

 

[HilaryHormone]

William was looking at her and not into the camera. I can look through the viewfinder but still be able for the child to look at my face and not the camera.

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@ 7:49 FFC speaks of how the photo was taken.

This makes complete sense. The main assumption has been that she was behind the lens, a flip view finder allows some flexibility.

 

[Tench]

Hi PS, I didn't know there was any such thing as being verified. Thanks for pointing it out to me. And yes, I am a medical specialist with 3 decades + of experience in medicine and, due to my field, have a in-depth knowledge of physiological reflexes. You mentioned "reflex". A reflex is a specific word that indicates an automatic physiological response. There is no such thing that directs the eyes when one "roars".

The ‘reflex’ was introduced by me, a little ironically, because it was asserted that upward gaze is “automatic” when one roars.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Hi PS, I didn't know there was any such thing as being verified. Thanks for pointing it out to me. And yes, I am a medical specialist with 3 decades + of experience in medicine and, due to my field, have a in-depth knowledge of physiological reflexes. You mentioned "reflex". A reflex is a specific word that indicates an automatic physiological response. There is no such thing that directs the eyes when one "roars".

If you believe WT is looking at someone else, there's nothing else I can say, I just offered an opinion of why he could be looking up, and I think it's an ok suggestion.

But if posters are convinced he was roaring at a 'mysterious' person or who they KNOW was there, my opinion is going to be pounced upon and pulled apart.

Imo, I've gone over the 96 minutes and I don't believe fm had the time to pull off the cover up of the century.
If the photo timestamp isn't correct, then FF is in the frame for WT's disappearance, and afaik, that's not the theory the police have put forward. I'm working with that theory, alone.
JMO

 

[Shadow@light]

Tiff23 and and fellow Websulths, just a request, if it is a helpful idea , Could Drslelth and others conversation thread who attended William Inquest can they be put into a Non discussion folder thread along with the reported daily procedure of the Inquest, so we can look up or check facts. It is just a thought, finding hard to keep track in what was said at the Inquest.
If it already done, sorry I did not know. I am losing my memory or brain tired due to COVID and Homeschooling, or just getting old.

 

[Awakening]

I understand some people attended the inquest, I have a few things to note.

Not all of the hearings were public, some were closed hearings.

At the time the inquest began, we (the public) had been led to believe the foster family had been unequivocally cleared. That caused many of us (but not all) to view evidence in a particular light.

The coroner heard evidence we didn’t hear.

The coroner ordered the seizure of FGM’s car, which was seized November 9 in Gymea.

The coroner ordered the subpoena of Channel 10’s Where’s William Tyrrell? podcast in which the FP’s were interviewed extensively. All raw audio, notes, files have been handed over.

The current search is being conducted under coronial orders and is “not speculative” according to police. In addition, police state a new witness “previously unknown” has come forward.

Police have made clear who the current POI is in relation to the current investigation.

This is a new team of investigators with a new lead investigator. The lead investigator, David Laidlaw, is highly regarded.

New information causes (some of) us to view old information in a new light.

I believed the abduction theory for years. Now, I’m not so sure. I’m not interested in hanging onto old theories in light of new information. I’m interested in knowing what actually happened to that little boy. I’m interested in the truth. William deserves the truth to be known, he deserves justice. No matter how uncomfortable that truth might be.

IMO

Well said

 

[Shadow@light]

Any news yet on today's court hearing?

I am firmly on the fence until I hear more about this allegation. If the foster daughter comes forth to say that her foster parents are cruel and abusive and she thinks they are involved in her brothers disappearance, then I will probably fall face first from the fence.

I agree with you katydid23.

 

[BreakingNews]

Tiff23 and and fellow Websulths, just a request, if it is a helpful idea , Could Drslelth and others conversation thread who attended William Inquest can they be put into a Non discussion folder thread along with the reported daily procedure of the Inquest, so we can look up or check facts. It is just a thought, finding hard to keep track in what was said at the Inquest.
If it already done, sorry I did not know. I am losing my memory or brain tired due to COVID and Homeschooling, or just getting old.

Very good idea.

 

[Estelle]

My husband and I bought our second home from family friends and it was no different to a sale with an agent except they did not have showings and they did not pay the hefty agent's fee. It just went through our solicitor and their solicitor sent ours the contract and vice versa just before settlement. It took as long as other houses we have bought through agents, although now there is a process of having a quicker settlement.

In the late 90s I sold my apartment at Drummoyne myself and even did my own conveyancing but I would not do it these days.

 

[sniffsniffcough]

William was looking at her and not into the camera. I can look through the viewfinder but still be able for the child to look at my face and not the camera.

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@ 7:49 FFC speaks of how the photo was taken.

at 8:11 FFC says she was (paraphrased) 'crouched down in a really weird position taking the photo'. How could William be looking at her if she was 'crouched down' as she has said on the 60 Minutes video you linked to?

And to all the 'newbies' here, I have a hint for you. If you watch any of the videos on YouTube, and here is a link to the particular video being discussed here

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When you open the link and after the adds finish, you will notice on the right-hand side under the playing video there are 3 dots to the right of the Save+ button. Open the 3 dots and there is a 'open transcript' link to the transcript of the video, which plays in the timeline of the spoken word. Warning: some of the spoken words are not correct but the translation can still be followed.

I am currently preparing a document which includes the initial YouTube transcript and underneath each line of transcript, will be the corrected transcript with corrected words in a different colour than initial words.

There is a YouTube channel under the name of Richie Swan. I posted something about this channel a couple of weeks ago on WS and members here informed that Richie Swan is a member of WS. In the video channel there are also audios and many of the documentaries that are discussed on WS. Really worth having a look. The docos include

000 call

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Lia Harris part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVtjtjXaQaM uploaded on 13/10/2015 however during the audio Lia says the 1st anniversary of William's disappearance is 'this saturday'. Part 1 is where the FFC reveals about her trip to the airport to pick up her sister. From the context of what she is saying it sounds as though this pickup was very close to the date of William's disappearance.

Lia Harris part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDIjyiTVc6A

Full NSWPOL interview with foster carers aired 17/4/2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZALVhn0hElY

The above videos contain photographs that are quite often discussed on WS.

Edited to remove the para about abbreviations. I will post later today when I discover the correct link to such.

 

[SLouTh]

Tiff23 and and fellow Websulths, just a request, if it is a helpful idea , Could Drslelth and others conversation thread who attended William Inquest can they be put into a Non discussion folder thread along with the reported daily procedure of the Inquest, so we can look up or check facts. It is just a thought, finding hard to keep track in what was said at the Inquest.
If it already done, sorry I did not know. I am losing my memory or brain tired due to COVID and Homeschooling, or just getting old.

Hi Shadow its nice to see you!

I didn't attend the inquest, and while I think you have a great idea, I think it would just be so hard and so much work to that now, especially linking everything with media ..... as the inquest was broken into sections and it is spread over many threads....and months ...

We should have thought about it at the time, but I don't think anyone predicted it would go on for this long......

IMO

 

[Jaded325594]

Lia Harris - The case will be adjourned until December 7, when both will enter a plea. The court heard the foster mother’s lawyer only received the brief of evidence yesterday.

 

[Blues Clues]

So, I just listened to the 3-part Little Boy Lost interview Lia Harris did one year after WT’s vanishing. A couple of highlights:

-MFC said he went to Laurelton (I thought it was reported as Lakewood)
-MFC said he drove into “the garage” upon returning
-MFC originally thought WT might have fell down a hole or wandered off even though he also said WT “knew his boundaries”
-MFC didn’t want to leave Kendall the final day of official search. Police almost had to “force” him to leave.
-MFC: “GJ is going to catch that person.”

-FFC couldn’t be sure WT would scream if confronted by kidnappers but she intimated he wouldn’t just oblige them.
-FFC said she saw the twin cars with windows rolled down and no people in them twice. Once on the verandah when she said hello to the Kookaburras and then later when she played with WT in the garden. She remembered them THAT NIGHT after coming back from airport (I thought it was second night after vanishing for some reason).
-FFC also intimates that she made the 000 call after she realised “he wasn’t on the estate”
-FFC says it takes “three to four minutes” to walk down these driveways (on Ellendale Crescent)!!!

Neighbours were also interviewed:
-Woman who unloaded groceries and went inside: “that’s pretty good luck” in reference to the timing of the kidnapping (according to FFC when she informed her) when she was unloading her groceries at 10:35 AM. She also shared that her child would have been the only local one in the neighbourhood out that day at that time.

-Neighbour whose fence was 10m from kidnapping spot didn’t think this was an “opportunistic grab”

-This incident had changed Kendall. Kids were no longer allowed to play in street like they once were.

-WT’s 4th birthday was celebrated in Kendall amongst community members. That’s how touched they were.

Thanks for your long detailed post - glad I noticed your editing Would you be able to provide a link please

 

[Awakening]

MSM are reporting on what LE are finding and so far it seems to be all materials.

I'm not sure if that's because that's all they have found or if MSM can't report on everything or if it's indicative of material being important to police.

I understand they can't know what material is related to the case or not so have to take it all, but wondered if there might be a particular focus on material for some reason?

Generally speaking a search would look for clothing items from the victim, clothing items from the offender and possibly some sort of material the victim could be wrapped in?

 

[BreakingNews]

I don't understand this method the police are using either. People are suggesting the police want to put pressure on a suspect. But police could still have done that without singling out anyone or the theatrics.

I'm wondering why they didn't just leave it as "we are going back to the beginning as per instructions from the coroner. We also have a new witness and new information. As a result everyone is a suspect, and areas and people previously looked at will be looked at again"

Saying there's "one female POI" I'm not sure is necessary? But obviously LE have more info then me.

Describing the previous investigation as messy, having a go at GJ and GJ hitting back, would make me furious if I was a loved one of WT's. I'd be saying stop the theatrics, the grandstanding and the politics, get on with the job and show some respect.

But that's JMO. And I remain hopeful LE have carefully and deliberately chosen this strategy to ensure the best outcome for WT.

Jubez wasn't the first in charge of this case. The first lot focused on finding William and did not properly follow up with investigating ffam. Blame starts there. Look what LE did in WA to CS's family's house. Policing 101. Suspect family first!

 

[Awakening]

at 8:11 FFC says she was (paraphrased) 'crouched down in a really weird position taking the photo'. How could William be looking at her if she was 'crouched down' as she has said on the 60 Minutes video you linked to?

And to all the 'newbies' here, I have a hint for you. If you watch any of the videos on YouTube, and here is a link to the particular video being discussed here

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When you open the link and after the adds finish, you will notice on the right-hand side under the playing video there are 3 dots to the right of the Save+ button. Open the 3 dots and there is a 'open transcript' link to the transcript of the video, which plays in the timeline of the spoken word. Warning: some of the spoken words are not correct but the translation can still be followed.

I am currently preparing a document which includes the initial YouTube transcript and underneath each line of transcript, will be the corrected transcript with corrected words in a different colour than initial words.

There is a YouTube channel under the name of Richie Swan. I posted something about this channel a couple of weeks ago on WS and members here informed that Richie Swan is a member of WS. In the video channel there are also audios and many of the documentaries that are discussed on WS. Really worth having a look. The docos include

000 call

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Lia Harris part 1

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uploaded on 13/10/2015 however during the audio Lia says the 1st anniversary of William's disappearance is 'this saturday'. Part 1 is where the FFC reveals about her trip to the airport to pick up her sister. From the context of what she is saying it sounds as though this pickup was very close to the date of William's disappearance.

Lia Harris part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDIjyiTVc6A

Full NSWPOL interview with foster carers aired 17/4/2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZALVhn0hElY

The above videos contain photographs that are quite often discussed on WS.

I understand that the counsel assisting Ms Grahame the Coroner conducting the inquest, put out the following abbreviations to describe the persons whose names are under a suppression order.

Thank you for this info re transcripts. I have a deaf child so I'm always looking to see if something has subtitles and/or transcripts and sometimes that can be hard for me to find. Not that I'm going to show this particular video to my child but I like to see that platform's are accessible.

 

[JWSleuth]

I understand some people attended the inquest, I have a few things to note.

Not all of the hearings were public, some were closed hearings.

At the time the inquest began, we (the public) had been led to believe the foster family had been unequivocally cleared. That caused many of us (but not all) to view evidence in a particular light.

The coroner heard evidence we didn’t hear.

The coroner ordered the seizure of FGM’s car, which was seized November 9 in Gymea.

The coroner ordered the subpoena of Channel 10’s Where’s William Tyrrell? podcast in which the FP’s were interviewed extensively. All raw audio, notes, files have been handed over.

The current search is being conducted under coronial orders and is “not speculative” according to police. In addition, police state a new witness “previously unknown” has come forward.

Police have made clear who the current POI is in relation to the current investigation.

This is a new team of investigators with a new lead investigator. The lead investigator, David Laidlaw, is highly regarded.

New information causes (some of) us to view old information in a new light.

I believed the abduction theory for years. Now, I’m not so sure. I’m not interested in hanging onto old theories in light of new information. I’m interested in knowing what actually happened to that little boy. I’m interested in the truth. William deserves the truth to be known, he deserves justice. No matter how uncomfortable that truth might be.

IMO

Well said ! Me too