Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) - #74

[SLouTh]

Agreed that foster parents are expected to take photos for the child's scrapbook, which would presumably include everyday photos.. but.. here we have little W who is 3 1/4 years old, who has reportedly not visited his Nana's house for at least 7 months, and his grandfather is deceased.. I would expect there would be much more opportune photo opportunities, such as enjoying breakfast with Nana, riding his new bike down the driveway, trying to climb a tree, just sitting/chatting with his nana (ie get some photos in with her while she is still available), running around on the expansive lawn with his new Spiderman costume, etc. It seems in the pics that were taken, he was not really drawing/coloring, but dropping the crayons, picking at the varnish, 'roaring' like a tiger apparently, .. what I would, imo, classify more as attention seeking type behaviors. Why take photos of that? That has always been a mystery to me. imo.

Agreed all valid points…. But at least we can be thankful that some photos were taken…. Otherwise the last proof of life photos would have been McDonalds the night before….

Just imagine the timeline then…..


IMO

 

[iiiii's]

Agreed that foster parents are expected to take photos for the child's scrapbook, which would presumably include everyday photos.. but.. here we have little W who is 3 1/4 years old, who has reportedly not visited his Nana's house for at least 7 months, and his grandfather is deceased.. I would expect there would be much more opportune photo opportunities, such as enjoying breakfast with Nana, riding his new bike down the driveway, trying to climb a tree, just sitting/chatting with his nana (ie get some photos in with her while she is still available), running around on the expansive lawn with his new Spiderman costume, etc. It seems in the pics that were taken, he was not really drawing/coloring, but dropping the crayons, picking at the varnish, 'roaring' like a tiger apparently, .. what I would, imo, classify more as attention seeking type behaviors. Why take photos of that? That has always been a mystery to me. imo.

Now that I think about it, I find FFC explanation of photographing WT mid roar a bit odd. In the series of 5 photos we can see that in 3 of them, the photographer has got down to ground level, most likely by stepping off the patio. There was a lot of hoo ha on SMS about WT looking at someone in the last shot. FCM gave an explanation that she had to crouch down at a really weird angle to get that shot whilst telling WT to look up at her. To my mind , seeing the context of the 5 photos, her explanation doesn't really ring true, he could just be looking off in the distance, mid growl. Why the sensetivity about how the photo was taken?

 

[deugirtni]

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/neverbeforeseen-photos-of-william-tyrrell-minutes-before-abduction/news-story/7ad0e147f361195409d52850c11ad71a

Last two photos in this collection:-

(DSC01104.JPG) Created 7:37:38 & (DSC01105.JPG) Created 07:39:39

These are apart = 2 mins 1 sec

Somewhere earlier, we have seen the times for all five photos ... including the icon photo of William

The photo times are as follows .. all five photos were taken within a 2min 39sec timespan.

9:35:05 (photo 1102)
9:35:19 (photo 1103) - 14 secs after #1102
9:35:28 (photo 1104) - 9 secs after #1103
9:37:29 (photo 1105) - 2 mins and 1 sec after #1104
9:37:44 (the famous pic) - 15 secs after #1105

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/william-tyrrell-new-photos-released-to-five-years-after-little-boy-disappeared/news-story/9a45ac6b77df80787e601878974b826c?amp

Thread 71, post 310

As indicated by SA quoted above, there were three photos taken in a row, snap, snap, snap, all three within 23 seconds.. then two minutes later another one snapped, and the fifth and final one 15 seconds later, according to reports.

The five photographs, which include the iconic last one of him “roaring” for the camera, were shot over two minutes and 39 seconds.

But the first three, in which William is photographed from more of a distance, were taken within a 23-second period, allegedly by William’s foster mother.

For the next two photographs, the foster mother appears to have been crouching down in front of William, who is captured with his left hand on his left knee and what appears to be dice in his right hand.

Fifteen seconds later, he is roaring into the camera.

https://www.news.com.au/national/co...n/news-story/7ad0e147f361195409d52850c11ad71a

 

[SLouTh]

Now that I think about it, I find FFC explanation of photographing WT mid roar a bit odd. In the series of 5 photos we can see that in 3 of them, the photographer has got down to ground level, most likely by stepping off the patio. There was a lot of hoo ha on SMS about WT looking at someone in the last shot. FCM gave an explanation that she had to crouch down at a really weird angle to get that shot whilst telling WT to look up at her. To my mind , seeing the context of the 5 photos, her explanation doesn't really ring true, he could just be looking off in the distance, mid growl. Why the sensetivity about how the photo was taken?

Maybe that is the 2 min delay between the photos??? Getting in position to take that shot???

JMO and pure speculation ….

 

[deugirtni]

Agreed all valid points…. But at least we can be thankful that some photos were taken…. Otherwise the last proof of life photos would have been McDonalds the night before….

Just imagine the timeline then…..


IMO

Possibly the timeline may have been clearer - or, at least not seeming to have been written in stone for it to then fall apart during inquest, and remain a mystery 7.5 8.5 years later (has it really been that long????????!!!!). So much weight was put on those photos and the timing and the proof of life, etc., but possibly erroneously. imo.

 

[InFocus]

Imoo, I don't believe that is a dice in W's hand. I have always thought it to be his picking at the deteriorating varnish on the deck boards.. a flaky flat piece of dried, brittle varnish.

What is in his hand is the same colour as the leaf that is to William's left laying flat on the deck.

 

[InFocus]

ConsiderIng they drained the creek and searched the area extensively, l think we can be assured they would have found him if attempted to be disposed by FM. She isn’t a hit man, she hasn’t done this before. How far down can a normal strength female (or person) dig in 20-25 minutes? If dumping him in a creek, he would have to be weighed down. Where is she getting these items? Where is her shovel?

Lola, I would also add she would have to have balls of steel to attempt to dump William on a public road. I know FFC talks confidently most of the time, but no way would she'd have the confidence to dump him on Batar Creek Rd.

 

[deugirtni]

What is in his hand is the same colour as the leaf that is to William's left laying flat on the deck.

It could be a piece of a leaf.. I was just saying what I had always thought it was, but in any case, definitely does not appear to be a dice.

 

[InFocus]

Now that I think about it, I find FFC explanation of photographing WT mid roar a bit odd. In the series of 5 photos we can see that in 3 of them, the photographer has got down to ground level, most likely by stepping off the patio. There was a lot of hoo ha on SMS about WT looking at someone in the last shot. FCM gave an explanation that she had to crouch down at a really weird angle to get that shot whilst telling WT to look up at her. To my mind , seeing the context of the 5 photos, her explanation doesn't really ring true, he could just be looking off in the distance, mid growl. Why the sensetivity about how the photo was taken?

Why the sensitivity about how the photo was taken?

Well firstly, those in the camp that says the original metadata is correct would mean the MFC is still present. That camp could then draw a conclusion that he's looking up at someone other than the FM.

Those in the camp of 9:37 am would try to explain how the photo was taken in more detail to help explain why he's looking up to the right. If that makes sense?
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I can assure you if you look at the decking floor boards and line them up with a ruler you will work out the level she's taking the photo.

 

[Chrissy74]

Maybe that is the 2 min delay between the photos??? Getting in position to take that shot???

JMO and pure speculation ….

I had to read it a few times to get my head around it


The computers operating system typically displays times (e.g., MAC times) in local time by applying the known time-zone offset to the UTC-valued MAC times stored as a file’s metadata.

3. File Systems​

File systems (e.g. FAT32, NTFS etc.) also store valuable date/time information about files. However, the way they store this information varies. For example, NTFS stores timestamps in UTC, as the number of 100 nanoseconds since 1/1/1601 (UTC). On the other hand, FAT file systems store date/time values in local time without a time offset. This means that one would have to know the correct time zone in which a file was created and used in order to determine its actual local date/time. For example, imagine the following scenario:

• File 1: Created in a FAT32 file system on 06/01/2004 at 9:32:15 PM (PDT)
• File 2: Created in an NTFS file system on 06/01/2004 at 9:32:15 PM (PDT)

If both files were viewed today on a computer in EDT, File 1’s creation timestamp would appear as 06/01/2004 9:32:15 PM while File 2’s timestamp would be 06/02/2004 12:32:15 AM. The difference is caused by the fact that FAT32 only stores the date and time without the time offset and even if the file was later viewed in a different time zone such as EDT, its timestamp would not reflect the local time zone in which the file is viewed.

Clock Drift, Synchronization, and Atomic Time
Even if the system time has been set initially to the exact proper time by a system administrator, it will not, in isolation, maintain the correct time, due to various system limitations. In other words, the system clock “drifts,” and over a period of time will deviate from the actual time. The “actual” or “correct” time is best represented by International Atomic Time (abbreviated “TAI” based on the French translation). Unfortunately, TAI is a quantity that is never actually defined in the present, but rather is defined only in hindsight after averaging the values of hundreds of atomic clocks kept at different locations across the globe.7

 

[iiiii's]

Why the sensitivity about how the photo was taken?

Well firstly, those in the camp that says the original metadata is correct would mean the MFC is still present. That camp could then draw a conclusion that he's looking up at someone other than the FM.

Those in the camp of 9:37 am would try to explain how the photo was taken in more detail to help explain why he's looking up to the right. If that makes sense?
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I can assure you if you look at the decking floor boards and line them up with a ruler you will work out the level she's taking the photo.

BBM, I'm in the bolded camp for now. I don't get why any explanations is needed for him not facing the camera, cause he isn't looking at her in any of the other shots. When it was 1st explained what he was playing when he disappeared and then it was explained that is what he was doing in the last photo, almost an hour earlier by FFC's reckoning, I was surprised quite frankly that he was doing what he was doing when he disappeared.... seems like that last photo was really telling a story...

 

[Couldbe]

For what it is worth, the following is herewith:

https://www.news.com.au/national/co...n/news-story/7ad0e147f361195409d52850c11ad71a

“The photographs, tendered as exhibits to the inquest into his disappearance, show William with his foster grandmother and older sister surrounded by books and toys on the veranda of the Kendall home from which he vanished.

He can be seen playing with dice and leaning forward in his Spider-Man suit.

The five photographs, which include the iconic last one of him “roaring” for the camera, were shot over two minutes and 39 seconds.

But the first three, in which William is photographed from more of a distance, were taken within a 23-second period, allegedly by William’s foster mother.

For the next two photographs, the foster mother appears to have been crouching down in front of William, who is captured with his left hand on his left knee and what appears to be dice in his right hand.

Fifteen seconds later, he is roaring into the camera.”

 

[deugirtni]

BBM, I'm in the bolded camp for now. I don't get why any explanations is needed for him not facing the camera, cause he isn't looking at her in any of the other shots. When it was 1st explained what he was playing when he disappeared and then it was explained that is what he was doing in the last photo, almost an hour earlier by FFC's reckoning, I was surprised quite frankly that he was doing what he was doing when he disappeared.... seems like that last photo was really telling a story...

In the four other shots, the camera is catching him just playing on his own without him interacting with anyone, however, imho, in the fifth shot, he appears to be looking AT someone with his mouth wide open, but the someone does not appear to be the person holding the camera. jmo in looking at the five together.

 

[deugirtni]

For what it is worth, the following is herewith:

https://www.news.com.au/national/co...n/news-story/7ad0e147f361195409d52850c11ad71a

“The photographs, tendered as exhibits to the inquest into his disappearance, show William with his foster grandmother and older sister surrounded by books and toys on the veranda of the Kendall home from which he vanished.

He can be seen playing with dice and leaning forward in his Spider-Man suit.

The five photographs, which include the iconic last one of him “roaring” for the camera, were shot over two minutes and 39 seconds.

But the first three, in which William is photographed from more of a distance, were taken within a 23-second period, allegedly by William’s foster mother.

For the next two photographs, the foster mother appears to have been crouching down in front of William, who is captured with his left hand on his left knee and what appears to be dice in his right hand.

Fifteen seconds later, he is roaring into the camera.”

Imo, what W is doing in the photos is in the opinion of the reporter, just as we are opining about now. The photos were not identified as being photos portraying anything in particular other than the times and the fact he was alive at those times. imo.

 

[iiiii's]

In the four other shots, the camera is catching him just playing on his own without him interacting with anyone, however, imho, in the fifth shot, he appears to be looking AT someone with his mouth wide open, but the someone does not appear to be the person holding the camera. jmo in looking at the five together.

I'm noticing that he has his mouth wide open in the 2 previous shots as well.

 

[deugirtni]

I'm noticing that he has his mouth wide open in the 2 previous shots as well.

Yes, me too, but he appears to be looking down at whatever he is doing at that time in those other pics, while in the final shot, his head is aimed upward and he appears to be looking at something other than what he is doing. The other shots with his mouth open also just seem to be mouth-open, and who knows, maybe lots of noise was coming from him at that time as well.. to me, I can almost imagine him kind of spinning around while he's sitting there, making noise with his mouth. Or maybe he just normally has his mouth open a lot? Too bad a video wasn't taken instead of 5 stills. imo.

 

[Couldbe]

Yes, me too, but he appears to be looking down at whatever he is doing at that time in those other pics, while in the final shot, his head is aimed upward and he appears to be looking at something other than what he is doing. The other shots with his mouth open also just seem to be mouth-open, and who knows, maybe lots of noise was coming from him at that time as well.. to me, I can almost imagine him kind of spinning around while he's sitting there, making noise with his mouth. Or maybe he just normally has his mouth open a lot? Too bad a video wasn't taken instead of 5 stills. imo.

Questions:-

During the 2 mins between the two photos ... did he turn away from the FFC (with his mouth open) ready to put the dice into his mouth?

Did FFC then step back down to face him.... and say to him 'Give me that dice'?
Was he saying 'Nooo' (Not roaring) when 15 secs later she snapped that iconic photo?

 

[InFocus]

BBM, I'm in the bolded camp for now. I don't get why any explanations is needed for him not facing the camera, cause he isn't looking at her in any of the other shots. When it was 1st explained what he was playing when he disappeared and then it was explained that is what he was doing in the last photo, almost an hour earlier by FFC's reckoning, I was surprised quite frankly that he was doing what he was doing when he disappeared.... seems like that last photo was really telling a story...

If you ask any professional photographer, they will tell you they never explain "how they got the shot", at least it's very rare.

It's always in my mind been a huge red flag the FFC made mention of how she took the photo. If William was looking directly at her, there would be no reason to explain herself IMO.

However, if a poll was taken on: Is William looking at someone other than the person taking the photo, yes or no?

I feel the answer would be in the affirmative especially if you put that poll to a group of professional photographers.

 

[Couldbe]

If you ask any professional photographer, they will tell you they never explain "how they got the shot", at least it's very rare.

It's always in my mind been a huge red flag the FFC made mention of how she took the photo. If William was looking directly at her, there would be no reason to explain herself IMO.

However, if a poll was taken on: Is William looking at someone other than the person taking the photo, yes or no?

I feel the answer would be in the affirmative especially if you put that poll to a group of professional photographers.

You are quite possibly right InFocus.

I have had another thought: If the FFC had asked William to open his mouth wide because she thought that he had put something in his mouth. It seems to be a natural reflex that when the mouth is flung open wide ...that the eyes automatically look up and to the right! JMO

 

[SLouTh]

Why are they so adamant that the FFC was involved in William's disappearance?

This is a great question posed by @Detective Willy …..

Still to this day, I don’t think we actually know why, (as in, any evidence) the Police have turned their focus to FM and it has been quite some time since the announcement was made in 2021……

I was hunting around in some media articles, and the best I can come up with is “new information“, “fresh details”, and “uncovered clues not previously explored” …..see links below…..

My question, and I am interested in your thoughts on this new information…

My personal opinion, is not that someone has come forward.…

But perhaps there was new technological data that had come to light??? or some data that needed further investigation??

What do you think the “trigger” may have been for the change in focus???



Links :

Detectives in September announced that new information about William’s disappearance had “come to light.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/new-police-searches-for-william-tyrrells-remains/news-story/92d7cec6ea0bdf247ecf5c217937fe22

The Daily Telegraph reports the investigation has reverted to focus on a suspect previously ruled out by detectives.

The suspect will be interviewed soon and confronted with fresh details discovered by investigators.

It shines a totally new complexion on what investigators believe happened to William,’’ a senior police officer told The Daily Telegraph.

A new investigation into William’s disappearance has uncovered clues previously not explored, a senior police officer has told The Daily Telegraph.

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Darren Bennett:
This is in relation to information we have received, no doubt about that. There is an investigative review that has been undertaken as an ongoing process but there is also new evidence,” he said.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/nsw-detectives-to-renew-search-for-missing-boy-william-tyrrell/news-story/09f79b307ae14a882a93a144a9123785

Disclaimer: FM may no longer be a POI … and Police just haven’t advised the pubic as yet ….. as seen in previous “episodes“ in this case…