Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) - #74

[FromGermany1]

Thanks for posting this refresher Chrissy74.
its interesting how different interpretations can be. I took the Police question ’were Mummy and Nana there ?’ to mean ‘Were they around there where William went’
and imo, L’s answer of ‘I don’t know’ would appear to be quite reasonable

Actually one has to watch L's face and gestures, while she is answering. The words out of her little mouth are saying not enough. IMO To me L sounds a bit hesitant. But I wasn't present and couldn't have a look and an impression.

 

[katydid23]

As a mum of 3 I can tell you first hand that a Mother’s Day to day activities , especially when her children are young, revolves around time. Time for breakfast time for toilet time for naps time for snacks time for meals. Every part of the day revolves around time, regardless f where you are. Every part of your day is dictated by time when you have little ones.
So if the ffc wasn’t looking at the time and wasn’t looking after W what was she doing?

On school and work days I would agree with you. But when I took my young kids to their grandparents house, I never looked at the clock much at all. We did what we wanted, ate when hungry, napped when tired, etc.

 

[Couldbe]

JMO - FFC would have known when MFC departed 48 Benaroon on that fateful morning. She may / may not have checked the time after that ... until she received (And checked the time) of the 'home in five' text from the MFC.

I believe that once the MFC had arrived home and he also had performed some searching, that she then knew what time it was when she made the 000 call to report William missing.
(could be explained in why in this extract she said:
"Foster Mother: I th... well, I think, well, we've been looking him for him now for about fifteen or twenty minutes but...
Operator: OK.
Foster Mother: Ah, I thought it could be five, it could be longer 'cause he was just playing around here we heard him and then we heard nothing.").

Maybe this then became her 'reference time' to work backwards to establish/quote the time of her other activities that morning. i.e. Until the LE worked with her in taking her Statements.

 

[iiiii's]

JMO - FFC would have known when MFC departed 48 Benaroon on that fateful morning. She may / may not have checked the time after that ... until she received (And checked the time) of the 'home in five' text from the MFC.

I believe that once the MFC had arrived home and he also had performed some searching, that she then knew what time it was when she made the 000 call to report William missing.
(could be explained in why in this extract she said:
"Foster Mother: I th... well, I think, well, we've been looking him for him now for about fifteen or twenty minutes but...
Operator: OK.
Foster Mother: Ah, I thought it could be five, it could be longer 'cause he was just playing around here we heard him and then we heard nothing.").

Maybe this then became her 'reference time' to work backwards to establish/quote the time of her other activities that morning. i.e. Until the LE worked with her in taking her Statements.

It is interesting to me that she is basically accurate about the time when there was more than one of her searching when her husband arrived back at the house, but her timing prior to that appears inaccurate from the moment she noticed him missing. That is based upon all the activities she said she did whilst searching for him on her own with her estimate that this all happened in about 5 minutes before her husband showed up after his call. The FGM claims that she didn't know that WT was missing until just prior to the FM making the decision to call the police. MOO

 

[Couldbe]

It is interesting to me that she is basically accurate about the time when there was more than one of her searching when her husband arrived back at the house, but her timing prior to that appears inaccurate from the moment she noticed him missing. That is based upon all the activities she said she did whilst searching for him on her own with her estimate that this all happened in about 5 minutes before her husband showed up after his call. The FGM claims that she didn't know that WT was missing until just prior to the FM making the decision to call the police. MOO

By 9NEWS BBM -

6:50pm Apr 17, 2015

IN THEIR WORDS: William Tyrrell's parents talk of the day their boy went missing and the 'living nightmare' they endure

“P: When did things start to go awry?

M: Well, when I realised that William was missing, I just, I think back to that moment where I just went, I can’t hear him, why, why can’t I hear him, and I walked around, seriously it was just 2, 3 metres away from where we were sitting, and I’ve just walked out, and I just see nothing. I see nothing, I hear nothing, I’m speechless. I’m walking around in a circle on the spot thinking, where is he, why can’t I see him, and I’m yelling out, “William, where are you, you need to talk to Mummy, tell me where you are, I can’t see you, I can’t hear you, where are you?”, and he was nowhere, and I’m just standing there thinking, how could he just disappear because he just disappeared and I don’t get it, I don’t get it.”

AND:

“P: So you raised the alarm immediately?

M: Well I raced around for a bit, then went down and got the neighbour to help, then D came back, because he had a meeting.”

AND:

“M: It was in my head and even Mum, while I was talking with Mum while we were waiting and I was doing the frantic thing and running through the house and opening up cupboards and all sorts of stuff, I just kept going through my head, somebody’s taken him, I can’t, in my mind it was the only logical explanation for what could have happened.”

 

[iiiii's]

By 9NEWS BBM -

6:50pm Apr 17, 2015

IN THEIR WORDS: William Tyrrell's parents talk of the day their boy went missing and the 'living nightmare' they endure


AND:

“P: So you raised the alarm immediately?

M: Well I raced around for a bit, then went down and got the neighbour to help, then D came back, because he had a meeting.”

RSBM It appears that she did not raise the alarm immediately with her mother or anyone else until 10.35 with her husband upon his return and with the neighbour at 10.40 am, according to her mother's walk through video. He also never mentions passing her on the street or seeing the neighbour upon his return. In evidence at the inquest the FM talked about looking around the yard and inside the house, walking down the road to search for him and then getting her mother's car to search down at BC road for him. Her mother's video does not corroborate any of these activities or knowledge that her daughter can't find him. Her mother's 1st knowledge that William was missing according to her video was when she walked down to the street to see AMS and her daughter walking back up the street saying she had to phone the police at 10.57. So I'm going to minus 5 minutes from that time to 10.52 am being the 1st time the FGM was aware that WT was missing. MOO

 

[iiiii's]

I was in the midst of writing a long spiel about different statements the three adults made about that morning and then realised that the inconsistencies gave rise to more questions within myself, but it's all so muddled. It is not surprising to me that the last media reporting was about police investigating this section of the morning that WT went missing as there are gaps that don't make sense. MOO

 

[Couldbe]

RSBM It appears that she did not raise the alarm immediately with her mother or anyone else until 10.35 with her husband upon his return and with the neighbour at 10.40 am, according to her mother's walk through video. He also never mentions passing her on the street or seeing the neighbour upon his return. In evidence at the inquest the FM talked about looking around the yard and inside the house, walking down the road to search for him and then getting her mother's car to search down at BC road for him. Her mother's video does not corroborate any of these activities or knowledge that her daughter can't find him. Her mother's 1st knowledge that William was missing according to her video was when she walked down to the street to see AMS and her daughter walking back up the street saying she had to phone the police at 10.57. So I'm going to minus 5 minutes from that time to 10.52 am being the 1st time the FGM was aware that WT was missing. MOO

JMO - It appears that the FFC has related William's disappearance details in a fanciful way ... rather than just stating the facts ....

 

[SouthAussie]

Hopefully, they will let us know at some point whether or not FM is still a POI. Considering the Big Dig and house forensic search yielded nothing that led to any charges, or finding William.

I know they didn't tell us when other POIs were excluded - if they have, in fact, been excluded by the Coroner.

 

[Detective Willy]

Hopefully, they will let us know at some point whether or not FM is still a POI. Considering the Big Dig and house forensic search yielded nothing that led to any charges, or finding William.

I know they didn't tell us when other POIs were excluded - if they have, in fact, been excluded by the Coroner.

I think she is very clearly still the Number 1 person of interest.

Investigators think she is involved but are having trouble getting enough evidence to go further and press any charges.

William Tyrrell’s foster mother knows where the little boy is buried, says investigator

William Tyrrell’s foster mother knows where the little boy is buried, says investigator

7news.com.au

 

[FromGermany1]

By 9NEWS BBM -

6:50pm Apr 17, 2015

IN THEIR WORDS: William Tyrrell's parents talk of the day their boy went missing and the 'living nightmare' they endure

“P: When did things start to go awry?

M: Well, when I realised that William was missing, I just, I think back to that moment where I just went, I can’t hear him, why, why can’t I hear him, and I walked around, seriously it was just 2, 3 metres away from where we were sitting, and I’ve just walked out, and I just see nothing. I see nothing, I hear nothing, I’m speechless. I’m walking around in a circle on the spot thinking, where is he, why can’t I see him, and I’m yelling out, “William, where are you, you need to talk to Mummy, tell me where you are, I can’t see you, I can’t hear you, where are you?”, and he was nowhere, and I’m just standing there thinking, how could he just disappear because he just disappeared and I don’t get it, I don’t get it.”

AND:

“P: So you raised the alarm immediately?

M: Well I raced around for a bit, then went down and got the neighbour to help, then D came back, because he had a meeting.”

AND:

“M: It was in my head and even Mum, while I was talking with Mum while we were waiting and I was doing the frantic thing and running through the house and opening up cupboards and all sorts of stuff, I just kept going through my head, somebody’s taken him, I can’t, in my mind it was the only logical explanation for what could have happened.”

"while I was talking with Mum while we were waiting"
Waiting for what exactly and what did they talk about? Doesn't make sense, IMO, in relation to the timing.

WHY didn't FGM hear the FFC yelling “William, where are you, you need to talk to Mummy, tell me where you are, I can’t see you, I can’t hear you, where are you?”, if it was "seriously (it) was just 2, 3 metres away from where we were sitting"??

FFC tried from the start to confuse everyone involved, it seems. Therefore her story too is so very imaginative. Is she actually a part-time writer (under pseudonym) for destiny novels? She would do credit to someone like that.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think she is very clearly still the Number 1 person of interest.

Investigators think she is involved but are having trouble getting enough evidence to go further and press any charges.

William Tyrrell’s foster mother knows where the little boy is buried, says investigator

William Tyrrell’s foster mother knows where the little boy is buried, says investigator

7news.com.au

That article is more than 5 months old ... approaching 6 months old.

 

[katydid23]

I think she is very clearly still the Number 1 person of interest.

Investigators think she is involved but are having trouble getting enough evidence to go further and press any charges.

William Tyrrell’s foster mother knows where the little boy is buried, says investigator

William Tyrrell’s foster mother knows where the little boy is buried, says investigator

7news.com.au

I think that video is from Nov, 2022. Almost 7 months ago.

 

[JBowie]

JMO - It appears that the FFC has related William's disappearance details in a fanciful way ... rather than just stating the facts ....

I've never been comfortable with any of her video-recorded statements. In fact, the more often I hear them the less comfortable I am. Her manner of speaking triggers something in me that says this is person is trying too hard to appear to be credible.

As I think I've said before, if she spoke like that in a witness box in a trial, and I was in the jury, then I would need a lot of persuading that she was being 100% truthful.

 

[SouthAussie]

There is a member on WS (OldCop, a verified Law Enforcement Officer, retired) whose signature line is "A hundred suspicions don’t make a proof. - Fyodor Dostoevsky, Crime and Punishment".

Every time I see that, I think of this case. Some people with suspicions, not one ounce of proof.

And I hope like heck that this woman is not being persecuted because people don't have another answer. Or because they don't want to believe her, they don't particularly like her (as in the persecution of Lindy Chamberlain). Because maybe a lone wolf stranger took William and no-one knows who that is. Or maybe William really got lost all by himself.

I would love to see this case solved also. But I hate seeing the persecution from parts of the public. When there is no proof, no substantiation. And there never has been.

 

[JBowie]

And I hope like heck that this woman is not being persecuted because people don't have another answer.

I guess Bill Spedding could talk about persecution.

Yep, let the police make a case that the DPP will take to trial, though I strongly doubt that will happen with only circumstantial evidence.

Meanwhile my bulldust detector remains troubled by her. Frankly, had I not heard those recordings, I think I'd be more inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. I can't escape the gut feeling that her account of the events that morning are not 100% true.

As I've said before, as this investigation drags on and on seemingly going nowhere, I feel that, like the Beaumont Children, the mystery of the disappearance of little William Tyrrell will never be solved.

 

[iiiii's]

I understand your concerns and find them very valid. Almost the exact same scenario has played out in this case with another POI which was really painful to watch as the police and media continually pressured the person, charging them with other things to try to further WT's investigation. But it is all within this forums terms of service to look at this person and to trust the police and media reporting when they have been named a POI in the case. And as such, many members had a field day disregarding this POI's humanity and suspended their critical thinking when it seemed obvious to some that the police did not have proof to charge that POI. Only the fullness of time exposed that part of the investigation. Is it the same tactic? We don't know. The last POI to be publicly identified is the FFC. She has taken a lot of opportunities to talk about the morning WT disappeared in a public forum, she has given statements and interviews to the police, she has given interviews on radio and tv about the events and also in a detailed podcast, she has made her feelings known about the investigation at a public sentencing, her information is comparable to other people's accounts of what happened that morning. There are questions that come still from looking at the timeline and discrepencies in her husband's, mother's and the neighbour's statements or evidence. It would be terrible to find out in the future, that at this current time, the police were sitting on or ignoring evidence that ruled her out of being a POI as they did with the other POI. Horrendous! Currently as far as we are aware, police find enough space in the FFC's account to think she could well be responsible for WT's disappearance. Publicly this was not able to be examined for the 1st few years of the investigation. This scenario needs to be investigated to the depths that it can go. IMO

There is a member on WS (OldCop, a verified Law Enforcement Officer, retired) whose signature line is "A hundred suspicions don’t make a proof. - Fyodor Dostoevsky, Crime and Punishment".

Every time I see that, I think of this case. Some people with suspicions, not one ounce of proof.

And I hope like heck that this woman is not being persecuted because people don't have another answer. Or because they don't want to believe her, they don't particularly like her (as in the persecution of Lindy Chamberlain). Because maybe a lone wolf stranger took William and no-one knows who that is. Or maybe William really got lost all by himself.

I would love to see this case solved also. But I hate seeing the persecution from parts of the public. When there is no proof, no substantiation. And there never has been.

 

[iiiii's]

I guess Bill Spedding could talk about persecution.

Yep, let the police make a case that the DPP will take to trial, though I strongly doubt that will happen with only circumstantial evidence.

Meanwhile my bulldust detector remains troubled by her. Frankly, had I not heard those recordings, I think I'd be more inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. I can't escape the gut feeling that her account of the events that morning are not 100% true.

As I've said before, as this investigation drags on and on seemingly going nowhere, I feel that, like the Beaumont Children, the mystery of the disappearance of little William Tyrrell will never be solved.

Are the recordings that you are referring to, the ones of the incident with the child, played in court for the charge of deliberately lying to the Crime Commission?

 

[JBowie]

Are the recordings that you are referring to, the ones of the incident with the child, played in court for the charge of deliberately lying to the Crime Commission?

No, I refer to the video recordings of her statements made by police regarding WT. They were made at Kendall.

I don't know if the audio recordings related to the Crime Commission case have been released to the pubic.

 

[iiiii's]

No, I refer to the video recordings of her statements made by police regarding WT. They were made at Kendall.

I don't know if the audio recordings related to the Crime Commission case have been released to the pubic.

The one where they are blacked out? How do you know it was made at Kendall. It was released in about April 2015 wasn't it? Or do you mean her walk through video up at Kendall a few days after WT went missing? I have only ever seen a tiny piece of that interview which was published publicly. Have you seen a longer video of the walk through?