Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) - #75

[SouthAussie]

These would have been easily retrieved l would think? Police knew about them very early on. IMO those messages have nothing to do with William.

As the phones (and computers) were taken by Hans Rupp's team for forensic testing, I would think that means that the content was looked at for anomalies, for deleted items that were still retrievable (by the police using the forensic software).

And we know the house phone records were obtained - due to the timeline of calls that morning - so it would make sense that the mobile phones' records were also obtained.
The telco could do a deep dive for whatever else they want, with a warrant.

 

[Warshawski]

So ALL people present when a child goes missing should face the same scrutiny?

If a parent has never been in any previous trouble, their children have never been truant, or been mistreated, they have responsible jobs, and have no criminal histories, or ever been cited by CPS-----they should be treated the same as parents under previous CPS scrutiny for abuse and/or drug usage, or neglect and domestic violence, and whose children were often truant and had previous unexplained injuries?

ALL parents should be treated the same in cases of a missing child? A distraught parent with no previous sketchy history is going to be interrogated and treated aggressively just the same as one would treat a parent with previous abuse charges?

Absolutely - that’s called police doing their job, which is to thoroughly investigate .

 

[mussopossum]

These would have been easily retrieved l would think? Police knew about them very early on. IMO those messages have nothing to do with William.

No Idea Lola, Only the Fosters know the answers to that one. I would have thought police could retrieve them from the phone company with a warrant so likely they did.

 

[SouthAussie]

Anyone with a history of violence does not have to or always have a criminal record. Many domestic abuse situations between a husband and wife are not reported. I dated a guy who was physically abusive for 4 years, he moved on to the next girl for 3 years beat the crap out of her too, moved on to the next one beat her so badly over 6 years, and controlled her beyond belief. Not one of the 3 times throughout his violent history of physically abusing his three partners was he charged, or had a criminal record.

I don't think people can become (or remain) foster carers if they have any hint of impropriety in that regard, though.

imo

 

[mussopossum]

I don't think people can become (or remain) foster carers if they have any hint of impropriety in that regard, though.

imo

I was not referring to foster carers SA, I was just referring to anyone in general who experiences violence but does not report it. Maybe I was not clear in my post, my apologies

 

[LolaAngelina]

Anyone with a history of violence does not have to or always have a criminal record. Many domestic abuse situations between a husband and wife are not reported. I dated a guy who was physically abusive for 4 years, he moved on to the next girl for 3 years beat the crap out of her too, moved on to the next one beat her so badly over 6 years, and controlled her beyond belief. Not one of the 3 times throughout his violent history of physically abusing his three partners was he charged, or had a criminal record.

I’m sorry that happened that you. Of course someone can have a history and not be charged. <modsnip - moderating>

 

[Detective Willy]

How poor 'bogans' were treated when rich couple 'lost' William Tyrrell

The problems that beset the William Tyrrell case go to the heart of the foster parent system. On one side, there's a wealthy, couple in a $4m home, on the other side a 'bogan' couple.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Couldbe]

The FM admitted at the NSWCC to assaulting the child. I don't believe that evidence can be used against her now, due to the terms of a Crime Commission hearing (which we have linked before).

So, the concern lies in why the child was left in the house for 7 months after the assault.
Evidently, no more assaults? A one-time situation that blew out of control?

I think this must be the article ???

William Tyrrell's foster mother used wooden spoon to hit young girl, court hears

A Sydney court hears William Tyrrell's foster mother allegedly used a wooden spoon to hit a young child in the head as part of a "pattern of ongoing violence". The child is not William Tyrrell.

www.abc.net.au

Not sure if there are any other articles saying the same things???

That’s all alleged. Stating someone has a history of violence means they have a criminal record with violent assault type charges. Maybe the poster should have said IMO there is a history?

JMO - In regard to the above posts, more details of the Alleged Assault Charges will no doubt emerge at the Hearing: 4th September - alleged assault case (in Parramatta court)

 

[mussopossum]

I’m sorry that happened that you. Of course someone can have a history and not be charged. We need to abide by the WS rules though and stating someone has a violent history with no knowledge of a criminal record (or personal experience with that person in your case) we simply cannot make those statements here

Thanks, Lola,

 

[SLouTh]

stating someone has a violent history with no knowledge of a criminal record (or personal experience with that person in your case) we simply cannot make those statements here

It was stated in the opening paragraph of the article by Australia’s national broadcaster, rightly or wrongly, it has been published like that ….

William Tyrrell's foster mother allegedly used a wooden spoon to hit a young child in the head as part of a "pattern of ongoing violence", a Sydney court has heard.


And it has been put in inverted commas by the journalist inferring it was stated in court …

I couldn’t remember such strong wording either, hence why I searched for the article …

William Tyrrell's foster mother used wooden spoon to hit young girl, court hears

A Sydney court hears William Tyrrell's foster mother allegedly used a wooden spoon to hit a young child in the head as part of a "pattern of ongoing violence". The child is not William Tyrrell.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Dannywood]

That’s all alleged. Stating someone has a history of violence means they have a criminal record with violent assault type charges. Maybe the poster should have said IMO there is a history?

It's not my opinion. The police prosecutor said it.

William Tyrrell's foster mother allegedly used a wooden spoon to hit a young child in the head as part of a "pattern of ongoing violence", a Sydney court has heard.

William Tyrrell's foster mother used wooden spoon to hit young girl, court hears

A Sydney court hears William Tyrrell's foster mother allegedly used a wooden spoon to hit a young child in the head as part of a "pattern of ongoing violence". The child is not William Tyrrell.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SouthAussie]

It was stated in the opening paragraph of the article by Australia’s national broadcaster, rightly or wrongly, it has been published like that ….

William Tyrrell's foster mother allegedly used a wooden spoon to hit a young child in the head as part of a "pattern of ongoing violence", a Sydney court has heard.


And it has been put in inverted commas by the journalist inferring it was stated in court …

I couldn’t remember such strong wording either, hence why I searched for the article …

William Tyrrell's foster mother used wooden spoon to hit young girl, court hears

A Sydney court hears William Tyrrell's foster mother allegedly used a wooden spoon to hit a young child in the head as part of a "pattern of ongoing violence". The child is not William Tyrrell.

www.abc.net.au

How long was the other child in the home? I would say that the "pattern" falls within that time space. imo

 

[dragon52]

2 things that I struggle with whenever I watch or hear the FFC talking in interviews:
1. Always “oversplains”. She never gives factual, sequential and logical answers. It’s like she is telling a fanciful story and she always seems to go off track.
2. I have never heard her once say how sorry she is or how guilty she feels that she and her mother were not supervising William. If the story was how she said it IMO she would be kicking herself and telling the world how regretful she was that she was not watching him.

She should have been accepting some of or all of the blame instead of constantly deflecting and going off on a tangent.

EVERYTHING does not add up and she does not seem authentic to me.

Yes I agree. FFC goes into far too much detail. I recommend looking at Peter Hyatts “Statement Analysis” on You tube about this case. It’s very interesting.

 

[mussopossum]

I wonder how quickly the information that is provided to Crime stoppers is followed up? How does it work?

You call it in or fill out the form and submit it.

If a form, and it had William Tyrrell on it would it send a red hot alert? Like priority to look at?

If you spoke with someone on the phone do they access and decide if it needs urgent review based on the info given?

Or does it just sit there with everything else until someone gets to it?

Crime stoppers would be getting so many calls and submissions online, especially with the current media publications.

Anyone know their sorting and review practices?

 

[SLouTh]

How long was the other child in the home? I would say that the "pattern" falls within that time space. imo

In July last year, the couple had a six-year-old female foster child placed into their care. (July 2021)

William Tyrrell’s foster mother accused of hitting child with wooden spoon, court hears

 

[SouthAussie]

In July last year, the couple had a six-year-old female foster child placed into their care. (July 2021)

William Tyrrell’s foster mother accused of hitting child with wooden spoon, court hears

But the charged violence happened in March 2021? And the Magistrate commented that it was due to the other child - change in family dynamics.

This article (paywalled but some will be able to read it) says March 2021 for the alleged incidents. And she was charged in Oct 2021.

William Tyrrell’s foster mother accused of hitting child with wooden spoon, court hears

William Tyrrell’s foster mother allegedly hit a child with a wooden spoon and kicked her on the floor when the girl was misbehaving, a Sydney court has heard.

www.smh.com.au

 

[SLouTh]

How long was the other child in the home? I would say that the "pattern" falls within that time space. imo

A prosecutor opposed the “misbehaving” claims, telling the court the child’s “past and current” school teachers provided an “opposing opinion”.

“The intimidation relates to an ongoing pattern of violence,” the prosecutor said.


https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...l/news-story/e75f6b918434d5bb109163d9fd257191

Honestly, it’s all very sad for the children…. heartbreaking for everyone involved…

Re the above … The “alleged intimidation” is a separate charge I believe ….

 

[SouthAussie]

A prosecutor opposed the “misbehaving” claims, telling the court the child’s “past and current” school teachers provided an “opposing opinion”.

“The intimidation relates to an ongoing pattern of violence,” the prosecutor said.


https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...l/news-story/e75f6b918434d5bb109163d9fd257191

Honestly, it’s all very sad for the children…. heartbreaking for everyone involved…

Re the above … The “alleged intimidation” is a separate charge I believe ….

The biggest concern for me (besides the alleged assault) is that the police just let the situation simmer.

Why would they think that was okay? And what about those teachers? I wonder who reported it.

 

[SLouTh]

But the charged violence happened in March 2021? And the Magistrate commented that it was due to the other child - change in family dynamics.

This article (paywalled but some will be able to read it) says March 2021 for the alleged incidents. And she was charged in Oct 2021.

William Tyrrell’s foster mother accused of hitting child with wooden spoon, court hears

William Tyrrell’s foster mother allegedly hit a child with a wooden spoon and kicked her on the floor when the girl was misbehaving, a Sydney court has heard.

www.smh.com.au

I know … it doesn’t fit …

And I don’t know where the error is??? Or if there is an error in reporting or not???

JMO

 

[SouthAussie]

I know … it doesn’t fit …

And I don’t know where the error is??? Or if there is an error in reporting or not???

JMO

I tend to believe the magistrate's comments, as he had all the facts in front of him.
But the published dates make no sense.