Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) - #75

[Couldbe]

I think the 9:30am is wrong. He was on his GoTo meeting in Lakewood from 9:17am for 39 mins (ending at 9:56am).

Can't be in two places at the same time.

Agree he couldn't be in two places at the same time.

Evidently the Police have verified something that must have indicated to them that it was the FF who left Benaroon at 9.30am; probably in their files, but we are not privy to what they established.

 

[SouthAussie]

Agree he couldn't be in two places at the same time.

Evidently the Police have verified something that must have indicated to them that it was the FF who left Benaroon at 9.30am; probably in their files, but we are not privy to what they established.

Sorry, but that makes no sense to me. "Left Kendall at 9:30am" ... "On a GoTo meeting in Lakewood from 9:17-9:56am".

Especially because he is not a POI.

 

[Megnut]

I'm going to throw this out there again -- if the foster father left twice, once in the foster grandma's car.... maybe for the purposes of filling her tank or reparking it so the children could play undisturbed.

Even if he left twice in his own car, it might explain some of the holes in the timeline.

Did Wm ride with him to get the paper? Was he standing in the back seat?

I really hope one day the timeline is laid bare --

Jmo

 

[JLZ]

I don't think it has ever been suggested, but it could possibly be the case that the FF returned to Benaroon Drive just after the time of around just before 9am and then left again at 9.30am (The time that Police have verified took place).

Evidently the Police have verified something that must have indicated to them that it was the FF who left Benaroon at 9.30am; probably in their files, but we are not privy to what they established.

What makes you say (twice) that police have verified that MFC left FGM's at 9:30? I know there has been a report of a phone record. Other evidence at odds with that alleged record has been mentioned by SouthAussie. What police make of the conflicting data I don't remember seeing.

 

[Couldbe]

What makes you say (twice) that police have verified that MFC left FGM's at 9:30? I know there has been a report of a phone record. Other evidence at odds with that alleged record has been mentioned by SouthAussie. What police make of the conflicting data I don't remember seeing.

Does this link below answer your question with regard to my source?

William Tyrrell: how new evidence revived the case and triggered a fresh search effort

There is renewed hope for closure in one of Australia’s most notorious missing persons cases – and the country is transfixed

www.theguardian.com

 

[SLouTh]

What makes you say (twice) that police have verified that MFC left FGM's at 9:30?

Does this link below answer your question with regard to my source?

William Tyrrell: how new evidence revived the case and triggered a fresh search effort

There is renewed hope for closure in one of Australia’s most notorious missing persons cases – and the country is transfixed

www.theguardian.com

I think the very first mention of this phone leaving Benaroon Drive, at 09:30am and being tracked to FF came from from Caroline Overington in The Australian on NOV 18, 2021.
Article published: 7:26am 18 Nov 2021

I don’t believe he can be in two places at once either …. So to me, either someone else left Benaroon with a phone at 09:30hrs that morning

Or

There is a load more evidence disputing the original FF Timeline, which I don’t think there is as he has not been named a POI …..

JMO

Reference article here:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...r/news-story/eeb3d80423ff8c15b6b9c7d4725c39c6

 

[Couldbe]

I think the very first mention of this phone leaving Benaroon Drive, at 09:30am and being tracked to FF came from from Caroline Overington in The Australian on NOV 18, 2021.
Article published: 7:26am 18 Nov 2021

I don’t believe he can be in two places at once either …. So to me, either someone else left Benaroon with a phone at 09:30hrs that morning

Or

There is a load more evidence disputing the original FF Timeline, which I don’t think there is as he has not been named a POI …..

JMO

Reference article here:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...r/news-story/eeb3d80423ff8c15b6b9c7d4725c39c6

Thank you Slouth; I just found this Article as well:

“Mobile phone records have shown that William’s foster father left his mother-in-law’s home in Kendall at 9.30am on Friday, September 12, 2014.

He was photographed in his Spider-Man suit at 9.37am that day, with the snap becoming the defining image of the heartbreaking mystery.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...d/news-story/6983c0a44392f8599514e4b5c8a56f04

 

[Burtrito]

Could be the second phone?

I think the very first mention of this phone leaving Benaroon Drive, at 09:30am and being tracked to FF came from from Caroline Overington in The Australian on NOV 18, 2021.
Article published: 7:26am 18 Nov 2021

I don’t believe he can be in two places at once either …. So to me, either someone else left Benaroon with a phone at 09:30hrs that morning

Or

There is a load more evidence disputing the original FF Timeline, which I don’t think there is as he has not been named a POI …..

JMO

Reference article here:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/the-day-little-william-vanished-into-thin-air/news-story/eeb3d80423ff8c15b6b

 

[SLouTh]

Could be the second phone?

Yes, quite possible, but what theory would account for the phone being tracked as leaving Benaroon at 09:30am ???

When FF had already been captured on CCTV leaving before 9am???

How can it be explained ????

Or who left the property at 09:30am ??? And how???


All ideas / theories welcome for discussion ….

 

[Couldbe]

Could be the second phone?

Possibly the second phone, but
... with the FF verified to be on his GoTo call at 9.17am at Lakewood,
...and the FM taking her photos of the FGM, William and his sister all on the back at 9.37am

... WHO else might have been available to leave the residence at 9.30am? As far as we know, there was no other person there. MOO

 

[SLouTh]

Michael believes it’s possible someone close to the foster family could have prompted this latest twist in the case.
“[Perhaps] there’s been enormous family pressure and someone within the family who knows something has just got sick of it all and said, ‘This has to all come to an end.’”

I know this won’t be very popular opinion……

However, it is just a theory …..

Could FF be the one that the new information has come from???
When we think about the following…..

FF has suddenly been notably absent from media reports after FM / FGM named as POI’s

His grilling by NSWCC was reported as only being 2 hours in duration as compared to FM over 2 days …

FF Lying to NSWCC Charges were announced first and yet they are still waiting to be heard….

All speculation …. IMO

 

[JLZ]

Does this link below answer your question with regard to my source?

William Tyrrell: how new evidence revived the case and triggered a fresh search effort

There is renewed hope for closure in one of Australia’s most notorious missing persons cases – and the country is transfixed

www.theguardian.com

Close. It says police verified the actions. I read it as refraining from commenting on whether police verified the timing.

 

[JLZ]

I know this won’t be very popular opinion……

However, it is just a theory …..

Could FF be the one that the new information has come from???
When we think about the following…..

FF has suddenly been notably absent from media reports after FM / FGM named as POI’s

His grilling by NSWCC was reported as only being 2 hours in duration as compared to FM over 2 days …

FF Lying to NSWCC Charges were announced first and yet they are still waiting to be heard….

All speculation …. IMO

If he decided to dob her in, would you expect the questioning to be over in 2 hours?

 

[SLouTh]

Close. It says police verified the actions. I read it as refraining from commenting on whether police verified the timing.

IIRC when this information about the phone, leaving at 09:30 and being tracked to the FF, was first published, we all assumed it was an error…

Now that there have been published reports that the timeline for the morning that William disappeared, is in doubt, or as one paper suggested “thrown out the window” this brings this earlier report about the phone back into question …. and possibly also the FF timeline …, and yet it was allegedly all verified by Police very early in the investigation ….

Still more questions than answers …IMO

 

[bearbear]

Possibly the second phone, but
... with the FF verified to be on his GoTo call at 9.17am at Lakewood,
...and the FM taking her photos of the FGM, William and his sister all on the back at 9.37am

... WHO else might have been available to leave the residence at 9.30am? As far as we know, there was no other person there. MOO

didnt bs say he spoke on the phone to the "other sister" that morning ? or was that the next day?

 

[SLouTh]

If he decided to dob her in, would you expect the questioning to be over in 2 hours?

Possibly …… as new information and new evidence in the case was reported earlier than the NSWCC Hearings in Nov 2021.

Evin Priest from The Australian reported in September 2021 that new information in the case had come to light ….

The same article also said Police were now re investigating from the moment William went missing .….. and the Police were focusing on identifying if anything has been missed, or if there are any details – no matter how small – that needed to be clarified.

So is possible that FF had been re interviewed before September and the NSWCC Hearing was just clarifying information …. ???

I just wonder about this, with him disappearing from media and remembering the NSWCC told FM they could make it appear like she wasn’t involved ….

JMO and again Speculation



The referenced article: (Paywalled)

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/police-reveal-new-info-in-william-tyrrell-search-as-family-make-plea-on-seventh-anniversary-of-his-disappearance/news-story/f14657ed7b111eb0cd752d13a6c24d3b

 

[SLouTh]

didnt bs say he spoke on the phone to the "other sister" that morning ? or was that the next day?

IIRC Bear, it was the day before ??? The Thursday ….. he said the “other daughter” I think…. (Geoff Owen)

 

[bearbear]

is it likely police would use the fallen from balcony scenario as an easy out for fm, knowing shes responsible for his death and hiding him, but so she can distance herself and hopefully admit to them he died and show them where his body is?
even if thats not how he died?

 

[SLouTh]

is it likely police would use the fallen from balcony scenario as an easy out for fm, knowing shes responsible for his death and hiding him, but so she can distance herself and hopefully admit to them he died and show them where his body is?
even if thats not how he died?

Good point Bear, as none of us really know how Police tactics and strategies really work …

The only thing I don’t understand, if it turns out that Police can prove FM is involved, is why didn’t she accept the NSWCC offer??? All of what is happening now could have been avoided …. Unless FM is innocent as she has said … and yet there is allegedly enough evidence to warrant a brief to the DPP for charges …..



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[SouthAussie]

I think the very first mention of this phone leaving Benaroon Drive, at 09:30am and being tracked to FF came from from Caroline Overington in The Australian on NOV 18, 2021.
Article published: 7:26am 18 Nov 2021

I don’t believe he can be in two places at once either …. So to me, either someone else left Benaroon with a phone at 09:30hrs that morning

Or

There is a load more evidence disputing the original FF Timeline, which I don’t think there is as he has not been named a POI …..

JMO

Reference article here:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...r/news-story/eeb3d80423ff8c15b6b9c7d4725c39c6

Pretty sure it is an error. Probably meant to write 9:00am. Because if you read the rest of the paragraph ... it would be impossible for him to THEN have his "skype" (Go To) call at 9:17-9:56 from an area with a better internet connection.

Can anyone suggest how "a phone would be tracked"? They ping off whichever tower is closest AND available. In Sep 2014 there were very few towers in the area ... we researched this a long time ago.