Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) - #75

[Couldbe]

Pretty sure it is an error. Probably meant to write 9:00am. Because if you read the rest of the paragraph ... it would be impossible for him to THEN have his "skype" (Go To) call at 9:17-9:56 from an area with a better internet connection.

Can anyone suggest how "a phone would be tracked"? They ping off whichever tower is closest AND available. In Sep 2014 there were very few towers in the area ... we researched this a long time ago.

Wasn't the FF verified on Tennis Club CCTV at 8.40am; he couldn't also be verified as leaving at 9.00am. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Wasn't the FF verified on Tennis Club CCTV at 8.40am; he couldn't also be verified as leaving at 9.00am. MOO

I think CO was generalising with the time. FD is a very small part in that article ... she is basically saying he wasn't there and it has been checked. Not thinking about how internet sleuths are hanging on every minute that is stated.

Then she goes on to explain the whole rest of the scenario. CO is not one to cast aspersions in this case, her most recent article was kinda like "can you believe this???"

imo

 

[FromGermany1]

IIRC Bear, it was the day before ??? The Thursday ….. he said the “other daughter” I think….

IF it was on Thursday, then "the other daughter" wasn't present yet. FFC picked her sister up from the airport on Friday evening, afaik, the day of WT's disappearing. Also afaik: FFC was accompanied by FGM and the little sister of WT on her trip to the airport.
The part of the call, when someone described herself as "the other sister", I remember very well. At the time I wondered, because I didn't know of 2 daughters of FGM but thought of 2 sons (and don't know until now, if there is one son or if there are two).

 

[Couldbe]

Wasn't the FF verified on Tennis Club CCTV at 8.40am; he couldn't also be verified as leaving at 9.00am. MOO

I think CO was generalising with the time. FD is a very small part in that article ... she is basically saying he wasn't there and it has been checked. Not thinking about how internet sleuths are hanging on every minute that is stated.

Then she goes on to explain the whole rest of the scenario. CO is not one to cast aspersions in this case, her most recent article was kinda like "can you believe this???"

imo

An internet sleuth making a comment about this verification by LE could be pointing out that time difference (between CCTV and possible departure of the FF from Benaroon at 9.00am (by CO) ....... is 20 minutes.

 

[SouthAussie]

An internet sleuth making a comment about this verification by LE could be pointing out that time difference (between CCTV and possible departure of the FF from Benaroon at 9.00am (by CO) ....... is 40 minutes.

Sorry, I agree with JLZ on this. The Guardian has basically pulled that excerpt from CO's article and is saying that he wasn't there, his movements have been checked. Police have verified he wasn't there.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think it can be clearly seen that the 9:30 time (error) does not line up with the rest of the things that CO says happened after that.

imo

 

[Couldbe]

Sorry, I agree with JLZ on this. The Guardian has basically pulled that excerpt from CO's article and is saying that he wasn't there, his movements have been checked. Police have verified he wasn't there.

You beat me to it ... had edited the time difference between the FF being verified on the Tennis Club CCTV at 8.40am and CO's/your time of 9.00am ... . as 20 minutes.

JMO - a vehicle could travel quite a distance in 20 minutes. I think the estimated to drive from 48 Benaroon to Lakewood is ... 10 minutes.

 

[SouthAussie]

You beat me to it ... had edited the time difference between the FF being verified on the Tennis Club CCTV at 8.40am and CO's/your time of 9.00am ... . as 20 minutes.

JMO - a vehicle could travel quite a distance in 20 minutes. I think the estimated to drive from 48 Benaroon to Lakewood is ... 10 minutes.

Read further, it wasn't my/CO's time of 9:00am. She was generalising for the general public. She knows he left at 8:40 CCTV time, she has it written in her book (Chp 2).

Nothing that she said happened after he left happened after 9:30am, except the photos.

imo

 

[FromGermany1]

IMO , there are two thoughts regarding Foster Father coming out of the Bathroom seem to be crying.
I repect people theories yes it is strange and may did he know what happened to William.
IMO
September is Spring, people can get Hayfever even I when I visit other places, my medication is tablets and cream but my Understanding Partner takes Nasel Spray, he coughs, sputters even gages, comes out with red crying eyes. Even when gardening he eyes get red and watery due to Pollen. I get breathy/huskey and people think I doing a bad Munroe performance .
The other is taking a leaf from my past with my first foster family(Who I am still very close altough lived distance away) I went missing briefly as a eight year old. I wandered off on the Farm, misplaced my steps as I was swooped by a Magpie,(Nesting Time) tried to get back before sunset I did not I paniced could not moved was found sitting in the dark,years later foster family told me how my Foster Father who is to this day is a quiet calm spoken stoic man who was shaken and so was my foster Mother even within an hour I went missing he had concerns I could been bitten by a snake, fallen down some where etc. I had never wander off before always stayed close to the farm house. He said years later he dreaded having to make the Phone call to my Welfare Officer to report I was missing although I was found few hour later, he and my foster mother still were questioned by Child Services about what happened.
Even if William had been found, (in my heart I wished it happened) the Foster Family would been interveiwed about the incident. There would been possible the children taken away briefly or more.

If it had been some hayfever, why MFC seemed to cry, then the hayfever would have become more and more intense, when MFC searched for little W all the day (as he did). Can't have been hayfever, I would think. I have allergy sufferers in my family.

 

[FromGermany1]

What, if anything, does he know or suspect?

Coming out of the bathroom crying seems premature. Wouldn't must people be holding out great hope at that point that he'd been found just around the next bramble? Wandered to a neighbors'? Seems a bit early in the narrative to begin grieving with finality....

Was he informed in private and a pact was made to never, ever speak of it again?

^^ This. There was still no reason to despair. Anyway little WT got lost in a village and not in a big city.

 

[Couldbe]

IIRC when this information about the phone, leaving at 09:30 and being tracked to the FF, was first published, we all assumed it was an error…

Now that there have been published reports that the timeline for the morning that William disappeared, is in doubt, or as one paper suggested “thrown out the window” this brings this earlier report about the phone back into question …. and possibly also the FF timeline …, and yet it was allegedly all verified by Police very early in the investigation ….

Still more questions than answers …IMO

Pretty sure it is an error. Probably meant to write 9:00am. Because if you read the rest of the paragraph ... it would be impossible for him to THEN have his "skype" (Go To) call at 9:17-9:56 from an area with a better internet connection.

Can anyone suggest how "a phone would be tracked"? They ping off whichever tower is closest AND available. In Sep 2014 there were very few towers in the area ... we researched this a long time ago.

Okay SA, I think there has been enough confusion about the possible 9.00am/9.30am time of verification by Police leaving Benaroon in the past.... the timelines could be modified at some time in the future. MOO

 

[Couldbe]

If it had been some hayfever, why MFC seemed to cry, then the hayfever would have become more and more intense, when MFC searched for little W all the day (as he did). Can't have been hayfever, I would think. I have allergy sufferers in my family.

In his Walkthrough, the FF could be seen sneezing, but didn't appear to interfere too much.

 

[JLZ]

You beat me to it ... had edited the time difference between the FF being verified on the Tennis Club CCTV at 8.40am and CO's/your time of 9.00am ... . as 20 minutes.

JMO - a vehicle could travel quite a distance in 20 minutes. I think the estimated to drive from 48 Benaroon to Lakewood is ... 10 minutes.

I personally think that what happened with the tennis club camera is that it recorded the time as around 8:50, and knowing it was ten minutes out, commenters adjusted it to 8:40, but this was the wrong direction, and the correct inference was that MFC passed the tennis club at around 9:00. In support of my opinion I compared what police told Richard Donoghue about how the camera error affected their understanding of his movements. When I first presented this theory I played around a bit, mostly for fun, with the alternative possibility that it was the police talking to Richard Donoghue who were making the error.

 

[SLouTh]

Okay SA, I think there has been enough confusion about the possible 9.00am/9.30am time of verification by Police leaving Benaroon in the past.... the timelines could be modified at some time in the future. MOO

The sooner someone could publish and clarify this new “timeline information“ accurately, the easier it would be to focus on where the possible discrepancy for the morning lies….

According to reports of the last nearly 10years the FF timeline has been verified by Police ….

So does that only leave the timeline of what happened at the house that morning to reveal the error??

Honestly who knows …. ??? but some specific information sure would help ease the frustration, instead of broad sweeping statements by the media …

 

[SouthAussie]

The sooner someone could publish and clarify this new “timeline information“ accurately, the easier it would be to focus on where the possible discrepancy for the morning lies….

According to reports of the last nearly 10years the FF timeline has been verified by Police ….

So does that only leave the timeline of what happened at the house that morning to reveal the error??

Honestly who knows …. ??? but some specific information sure would help ease the frustration, instead of broad sweeping statements by the media …

I get the impression from the DM's article that the "throwing out of the timeline" is actually throwing out of an abduction theory and replacing it with a balcony fall theory. It doesn't seem to have anything at all to do with a timeline, more about theories.

I had a look, but haven't seen this throwing out of the timeline reported by a better source anywhere.

imo

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I get the impression from the DM's article that the "throwing out of the timeline" is actually throwing out of an abduction theory and replacing it with a balcony fall theory. It doesn't seem to have anything at all to do with a timeline, more about theories.

I had a look, but haven't seen this throwing out of the timeline reported by a better source anywhere.

It's like "look here" don't "look over there.

 

[SLouTh]

I get the impression from the DM's article that the "throwing out of the timeline" is actually throwing out of an abduction theory and replacing it with a balcony fall theory. It doesn't seem to have anything at all to do with a timeline, more about theories.

I had a look, but haven't seen this throwing out of the timeline reported by a better source anywhere.

imo

BBM

The Daily Telegraph also reported that Police had identified gaps in the timeline of the Foster Mother that day……



Reference: (Paywall)

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-nsw/tyrrell-detectives-believe-william-was-dumped-in-the-bush-by-foster-mum/news-story/821454f8f1a0c08a53fe92a080719c4c

 

[Awakening]

The sooner someone could publish and clarify this new “timeline information“ accurately, the easier it would be to focus on where the possible discrepancy for the morning lies….

According to reports of the last nearly 10years the FF timeline has been verified by Police ….

So does that only leave the timeline of what happened at the house that morning to reveal the error??

Honestly who knows …. ??? but some specific information sure would help ease the frustration, instead of broad sweeping statements by the media …

Please Candace, we would appreciate it

 

[Couldbe]

JMO - In looking at a timeline and possible gaps, I am pretty sure that we have never seen any evidence that indicates an abduction of William actually occurred.

BBM

The Daily Telegraph also reported that Police had identified gaps in the timeline of the Foster Mother that day……



Reference: (Paywall)

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-nsw/tyrrell-detectives-believe-william-was-dumped-in-the-bush-by-foster-mum/news-story/821454f8f1a0c08a53fe92a080719c4c

So, can an abduction be accepted as fact?
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It appears that abduction was put forward initially by the Foster Mother who said at the Inquest :

William Tyrrell's foster-mother feared her daughter would be abduction target
"I just went, 'There were two cars there.' My heart just sank because I thought those two cars were there for both of them," she said.

Maybe Gary Jubelin adopted this view of abduction, and pursued possible men who, in his view, were persons he strongly suspected as being responsible.

 

[silvercrown]

I’ve been following these threads for a long time. I have always wondered how MFC’s 4G/internet reception on his phone was good enough for William to watch cartoons on the morning of his disappearance, but not good enough for a Skype call. I can’t imagine a 3yo having the patience to watch something that was constantly buffering. Was it an excuse for a trip to town for some reason?
I can’t recall what streaming options we had back in 2014 on smartphones. Trying to think how else he may have been watching.