Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #77

[JLZ]

JMO - I don't believe that Gary Jubelin thought that the FM was involved in William's disappearance when this was reported, but might help to explain the manner and angle ... in which William's sister was interviewed.:

“Jubelin said he doesn't think the full ramifications of William's disappearance were appreciated initially and opportunities were lost in the first few months. He said "very little leeway" was made later in the investigation, and often their inquiries moved them one step forward, two steps back.”
Inside the task force investigating the disappearance of William Tyrrell

It shouldn't matter what they thought in the first few days--they should have been operating on the basis that they didn't know, all things were possible, they needed to record what was ephemeral, preserve where possible, guard from interference, and search too.

Edit: I don't want to slag off at those early responders. I've seen the notes of at least one of them, and it was long hard work, all over the place. Perhaps on the whole they did as well as could be expected with the resources they had.

 

[iiiii's]

Going through some old documents, wonder if they checked for WT's body under the new back decking to tie in with another POI?

 

[SLouTh]

Going through some old documents, wonder if they checked for WT's body under the new back decking to tie in with another POI?

Unless there is a sealed coffin or similar, then I don’t think the odour of decomposition would have gone unnoticed???

IMO

 

[iiiii's]

Unless there is a sealed coffin or similar, then I don’t think the odour of decomposition would have gone unnoticed???

IMO

Well I don't know how the principles of composition work, but I wonder if there would be a smell if you dug down and buried the person before fixing floorboards.

 

[Couldbe]

Going through some old documents, wonder if they checked for WT's body under the new back decking to tie in with another POI?

Do you mean the small back deck or the high balcony?

Do you think the cadaver dog could have missed that possible hiding place?
When they conducted the big dig, are you thinking checking that the possibility of William's body being there might have been overlooked then?

 

[k-mac]

My personal wild speculation....
William was disposed in bush brush....(within 10 min radius)
sometime after he was moved to a landfill.


etd I didnt mean to tag your post couldbe...just removed it .

 

[Couldbe]

My personal wild speculation....
William was disposed in bush brush....(within 10 min radius)
sometime after he was moved to a landfill.


etd I didnt mean to tag your post couldbe...just removed it .

k-mac, and to add to your speculation maybe a bag of some garden waste was used, which wouldn't necessarily have aroused suspicion. (More speculation to try and fit in with a timeframe). MOO

 

[SLouTh]

landfill

This also bothers me … and that AFAWK, it wasn’t searched …
There is a general dump at Port Mac and Waste Transfer Station at Kew …

We do know that allegedly Rowley did check the bins in the street …. As per a Caroline Overington podcast …

I know it is pure speculation, but I have even wondered if that car that sounded like the “postie’s car” heard by the Crabbs, was a ”rubbish pick up“ of some sort …..?

JMO

 

[SLouTh]

Well I don't know how the principles of composition work, but I wonder if there would be a smell if you dug down and buried the person before fixing floorboards.

Do you mean the small back deck or the high balcony?

Do you think the cadaver dog could have missed that possible hiding place?
When they conducted the big dig, are you thinking checking that the possibility of William's body being there might have been overlooked then?

We know that GO was allegedly booked to complete the Back Deck Work for the Tuesday following William’s disappearance, but allegedly this was cancelled by phone-call from FGM ….

I am not sure where you would hide a body in the interim period before it was buried??? Do we know when that work on the back low deck was actually completed ???

I agree with Couldbe here…. I also think a “cadaver dog” would detect something, if it was done soon after William went missing …. But JMO … or even the later searches…

All IMO

 

[iiiii's]

Do you mean the small back deck or the high balcony?

Do you think the cadaver dog could have missed that possible hiding place?
When they conducted the big dig, are you thinking checking that the possibility of William's body being there might have been overlooked then?

I mean the small back deck. Yes, the repair of the deck was cancelled by the FGM on the afternoon WT went missing. They were supposed to happen the following Tuesday but were put off into the future. GO apparently also called but he rescheduled because he had to go into hospital and had to reschedule. It's funny that both had to reschedule and neither referred to the reason the other had for rescheduling. I think the cadaver dog went through prior to the repair. Did cadaver dogs attend 48 Benaroon dr during the big dig? During the dig, the focus seemed to be completely on the area under the tall veranda and using penetrating radar on the floor of the lock up garage. Since the FGM's car was taken for forensic testing and recently the idea has been floated on the thread about WT's body maybe having been moved at some time after the initial disappearance, I'm just thinking out aloud... MOO

 

[Couldbe]

I mean the small back deck. Yes, the repair of the deck was cancelled by the FGM on the afternoon WT went missing. They were supposed to happen the following Tuesday but were put off into the future. GO apparently also called but he rescheduled because he had to go into hospital and had to reschedule. It's funny that both had to reschedule and neither referred to the reason the other had for rescheduling. I think the cadaver dog went through prior to the repair. Did cadaver dogs attend 48 Benaroon dr during the big dig? During the dig, the focus seemed to be completely on the area under the tall veranda and using penetrating radar on the floor of the lock up garage. Since the FGM's car was taken for forensic testing and recently the idea has been floated on the thread about WT's body maybe having been moved at some time after the initial disappearance, I'm just thinking out aloud... MOO

Thank you iiii's ....

 

[FromGermany1]

I mean the small back deck. Yes, the repair of the deck was cancelled by the FGM on the afternoon WT went missing. They were supposed to happen the following Tuesday but were put off into the future. GO apparently also called but he rescheduled because he had to go into hospital and had to reschedule. It's funny that both had to reschedule and neither referred to the reason the other had for rescheduling. I think the cadaver dog went through prior to the repair. Did cadaver dogs attend 48 Benaroon dr during the big dig? During the dig, the focus seemed to be completely on the area under the tall veranda and using penetrating radar on the floor of the lock up garage. Since the FGM's car was taken for forensic testing and recently the idea has been floated on the thread about WT's body maybe having been moved at some time after the initial disappearance, I'm just thinking out aloud... MOO

When years ago I saw pics of the garage (ex workshop of "Opa") with it's big pile of earth to the left side of the pic, I found this room/space suspicious.

 

[Awakening]

If anyone reading this knows anything, even the smallest thing, even if it involves someone you care about, please contact the taskforce.

 

[SLouTh]

If anyone reading this knows anything, even the smallest thing, even if it involves someone you care about, please contact the taskforce.

Or call the Coroner‘s “hot line”….

urged anyone with direct knowledge of the crime to call “solicitors assisting the Coroner on 02 8346 1388”.
Paywalled for some

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/podcasts/william-tyrrell-hotline-direct-to-coroner/news-story/6940be21d53f16c0d0193d1c56282fe7

 

[Megnut]

Cadaverine takes time. IIRC like 12 hours on the minimum side.

Perhaps Wm was whisked away during the secret drive, no cadaverine. Concealed, lightly buried.

Moved later. En route to the airport perhaps.

Intel eventually leads LL to that burial area but no sign of Wm because he'd been long since relocated.

Tragically, Wm wouldn't be the first murdered child to be thrown away. Remote dumpster, problem solved. Not impossible....

Just cold as hell.

JMOO

 

[SLouTh]

Tragically, Wm wouldn't be the first murdered child to be thrown away. Remote dumpster, problem solved. Not impossible....

Sadly, this is a real possibility …. Perhaps he was never placed at Batar Creek, but rather in a receptacle further away, all along …

Moved later. En route to the airport perhaps.

Intel eventually leads LL to that burial area but no sign of Wm because he'd been long since relocated.

I really struggle with the concept of relocating a deceased child, maybe I just can’t comprehend it, because I just don’t have the stomach for it ????
Obviously, I know it happens…. and has happened in other cases … but it is just so awful that my head struggles with it ….

Just cold as hell.

Cold as ice, if this scenario was to turn out to be the case …..

And if this is what happened, then I doubt William’s case will ever be solved, nor will he ever be a found….. it will be a cold unsolvable case …
And William doesn’t deserve that!

All IMO

 

[SLouTh]

Did cadaver dogs attend 48 Benaroon dr during the big dig?

Yes….

On Tuesday, homicide squad investigators returned to the Benaroon Drive property and were digging up the garden directly underneath the second-storey balcony.
Plants are being removed, and dirt is being sifted through.
Specialist forensic investigators are also spraying luminol, a substance that shows traces of blood.
A cadaver dog has also been at the scene.

Police probe fatal balcony fall in William Tyrrell case

Police have returned to the home from which William Tyrrell disappeared in 2014 with a cadaver dog and are currently digging up the garden.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Doesitmakesense]

Sadly, this is a real possibility …. Perhaps he was never placed at Batar Creek, but rather in a receptacle further away, all along …

I really struggle with the concept of relocating a deceased child, maybe I just can’t comprehend it, because I just don’t have the stomach for it ????
Obviously, I know it happens…. and has happened in other cases … but it is just so awful that my head struggles with it ….


Cold as ice, if this scenario was to turn out to be the case …..

And if this is what happened, then I doubt William’s case will ever be solved, nor will he ever be a found….. it will be a cold unsolvable case …
And William doesn’t deserve that!

All IMO

IMO this is why the FP anonymity is a huge hindrance. No one know who to look out for. SO, saw person behind the local shops, oh must be the shop owner taking out rubbish. If their pics were out there someone could have come forward and say I saw that lady or man that morning, a week or a month after WT went missing all my SO

 

[SouthAussie]

If anyone reading this knows anything, even the smallest thing, even if it involves someone you care about, please contact the taskforce.

Unfortunately, with the public focus on specific POIs, there may be someone who is protecting a loved one who will never come forward.

If their loved one is not under suspicion (because the police still don't know their loved one was in the vicinity that morning), if their loved one has gotten away with this for 9 years already, that someone may just continue to protect their loved one.

The police have heavily relied on people to be truthful about their whereabouts that morning. And they could have missed someone completely unrelated who was not being truthful.

That is the problem with naming POIs. It could give the real perp, and anyone harbouring their secret, a sense of comfort.

imo

 

[Chrissy74]

Unfortunately, with the public focus on specific POIs, there may be someone who is protecting a loved one who will never come forward.

If their loved one is not under suspicion (because the police still don't know their loved one was in the vicinity that morning), if their loved one has gotten away with this for 9 years already, that someone may just continue to protect their loved one.

The police have heavily relied on people to be truthful about their whereabouts that morning. And they could have missed someone completely unrelated who was not being truthful.

That is the problem with naming POIs. It could give the real perp, and anyone harbouring their secret, a sense of comfort.

imo

Same could be said for those previously named POI. Now that the only poi is the Ffc suddenly some have a change of mind. <modsnip: Personalizing>

And yes you’re right police have relied on people being truthful about their whereabouts that morning and we now know Ffc wasn’t forthcoming with her story of events that morning ie the drive in fgm car. We know she wasn’t truthful about searching everywhere for W prior to mfc arriving home. She wasn’t truthful about the shoes W wasn’t wearing when he went missing. Nor was she truthful about seeing cars in the street that morning.