Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #77

[SouthAussie]

Why would you think we agree about that? We know that he fell off a stool and 'couldn't get up'. There's no mention of taking him to the doctor after that incident. She beat the kids with a wooden spoon - do you think she took them to a doctor to have them checked out after that? So why would you think his black eye was checked out? Very odd statement imho. If you have a source for that, please share.

Perhaps you missed this post from yesterday. It has been posted more than once over the years. We were speaking of the black eye incident at the time.

 

[kittythehare]

Emotional trauma won’t cause hearing loss. There are many different hearing tests to determine the type of hearing loss and cause.

He had other conditions as well.

 

[SouthAussie]

I originally assumed this was the case, perhaps wrongly. Going by the reporting, the abuse was in response to:
-the child not closing the front door properly after it had modifications
-the child losing some of their clothes
-the child not having time to complete a household chore.
To me the parents anger- including calling the child the c word - was totally disproportionate to these small misdemeanours, which could have been perpetrated by any child, foster or not. I suspect a biological child would have endured the same treatment.

Maybe just keep in mind that the police knew this was happening. They listened to an assault in January 2021 and left the child there until November 2021, while continuing to listen to what was going on and while continuing to apply pressure to the FP.

Could all this have been avoided (other than the first assault). Yes.

 

[kittythehare]

Maybe just keep in mind that the police knew this was happening. They listened to an assault in January and left the child there until November, while continuing to listen to what was going on.

Could all this have been avoided (other than the first assault). Yes.

Bigly.

 

[SouthAussie]

yes, im sure, but often with small children suffering trauma or abuse, their trauma manifests as a physical symptom

The medical report seems to put mild glue ear as the cause and a surgical consult was scheduled for May 2014.

William has an identified mild hearing loss in his left ear. He was assessed by the audiologist as having mild glue ear, and has been referred to an ENT surgical consult at the end of May 2014. (link provided earlier)

Probably no point in trying to make something else the cause, when the cause has been identified by an audiologist.

William also had a high palate, which wasn't helping him to pronounce certain letters very well. (stated in the med report)

I agree that the trauma of domestic violence in the birth home, and William's consequential removal from the birth home and birth parents, could be a reason for his behavioural issues. Kids perceive their parents as normal, and their behaviours as normal, their parents are their whole world at a young age. They don't understand why they have been removed from people they love. imo

 

[bearbear]

She's talking about the first year she had him, but I find it hard to credit as well.

plus he was still a baby and most likely teething, and they like to gnaw on fingers or anything they can put in their mouth, not like he was a bitey toddler at that stage

 

[bearbear]

Emotional trauma won’t cause hearing loss. There are many different hearing tests to determine the type of hearing loss and cause.

Reduced Hearing, Deafness, Diminished Hearing - Anxiety Symptoms

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[bearbear]

Maybe just keep in mind that the police knew this was happening. They listened to an assault in January 2021 and left the child there until November 2021, while continuing to listen to what was going on and while continuing to apply pressure to the FP.

Could all this have been avoided (other than the first assault). Yes.

but this is like blaming the police for the childs abuse, the foster parents are the bad people here

 

[kittythehare]

both are bad.
Foster parents are from the hell realms.
Police or any other authority that witnessed violence albeit via audio are reckless and dangerous and enabling.

You do not endanger one child to avenge another.

 

[bearbear]

The medical report seems to put mild glue ear as the cause and a surgical consult was scheduled for May 2014.

William has an identified mild hearing loss in his left ear. He was assessed by the audiologist as having mild glue ear, and has been referred to an ENT surgical consult at the end of May 2014. (link provided earlier)

Probably no point in trying to make something else the cause, when the cause has been identified by an audiologist.

William also had a high palate, which wasn't helping him to pronounce certain letters very well. (stated in the med report)

I agree that the trauma of domestic violence in the birth home, and William's consequential removal from the birth home and birth parents, could be a reason for his behavioural issues. Kids perceive their parents as normal, and their behaviours as normal, their parents are their whole world at a young age. They don't understand why they have been removed from people they love. imo

i dont know what williams bio family life was like but i dont think he was assaulted and do think he was very loved,
he would have been distraught leaving his mother at such a young age and put with complete strangers, especially these two, he could have thrived with kindness and love and gentle handling and patience

 

[SouthAussie]

i dont know what williams bio family life was like but i dont think he was assaulted and do think he was very loved,
he would have been distraught leaving his mother at such a young age and put with complete strangers, especially these two, he could have thrived with kindness and love and gentle handling and patience

BM explained why William and his sister were removed. With domestic violence going on, a child is at risk of being caught in the middle and hurt, and is also negatively affected by the trauma that is associated with domestic violence.
Domestic violence affects the whole household.

William absolutely would have been distraught at being removed. I am sure both children were distraught about their removals. Nobody is disputing that. But the parents were not willing to stop their violent behaviour or separate to keep the children at that time.

 

[kittythehare]

BM explained why William and his sister were removed. With domestic abuse going on, a child is at risk of being caught in the middle and hurt, and is also negatively affected by the trauma that is associated with domestic abuse.

William absolutely would have been distraught at being removed. I am sure both children were distraught about their removals. Nobody is disputing that. But the parents were not willing to stop their violent behaviour or separate to keep the children at that time.

out of frying pan and into fire though.
What kind of vetting was carried out for these people?
Why were they permitted to foster other children after his presumed death not from natural causes?

 

[SouthAussie]

but this is like blaming the police for the childs abuse, the foster parents are the bad people here

We can unequivocally say that the police enabled the abuses that happened after the first assault.
They likely made the situation even worse by applying pressure to the FP at that same time.

 

[LolaAngelina]

out of frying pan and into fire though.
What kind of vetting was carried out for these people?
Why were they permitted to foster other children after his presumed death not from natural causes?

Who determined that? The coroner hasn’t handed down her findings yet. It’s very likely he isn’t alive but we have no idea what caused his death. Natural causes cannot be ruled out.

 

[kittythehare]

Who determined that? The coroner hasn’t handed down her findings yet. It’s very likely he isn’t alive but we have no idea what caused his death. Natural causes cannot be ruled out.

It was not 'determined', it is common sense to make the deduction, you made it yourself.

People who die from natural causes tend not to hide their own bodies, do they?

 

[SouthAussie]

It was not 'determined', it is common sense to make the deduction, you made it yourself.

People who die from natural causes tend not to hide their own bodies, do they?

Nobody is sure that William isn't still lost in that dense forest due to his own wandering AFAIK.

 

[kittythehare]

Nobody is sure that William isn't still lost in that dense forest due to his own wandering AFAIK.

he's living with known abusers who should never have been given as much as teddybears to care for, IMO>

Are you thinking they're innocent of his death or disappearance ?

 

[SouthAussie]

he's living with known abusers who should never have been given as much as teddybears to care for, IMO>

Are you thinking they're innocent of his death or disappearance ?

I do not think anyone has enough evidence to say who is guilty (if anyone) in William's disappearance.

The bad FP behaviour after 7 years of grief and worry does not mean those behaviours were happening at the time that William disappeared.

There are also other POIs who have not been ruled out. And William could have lost himself in the forest and has never been found.

I think the Coroner will find an open verdict, should the inquest resume as planned.

 

[Couldbe]

JMO - I pose the question ... just how many of us here could see ourselves resorting to treating and intimidating an 11 year old girl in our care, after 7 years of grief?

If the answer is 'yes' ... then there is the next question of 'Why someone could see themselves acting in that manner?'

No excuses for FM and FF
... acting that way indicates a propensity for that type of behaviour prior to it occurring towards the 11 year old.... MOO

 

[LolaAngelina]

It was not 'determined', it is common sense to make the deduction, you made it yourself.

People who die from natural causes tend not to hide their own bodies, do they?

Since his body hasn’t been found we have no idea if it’s hidden or not. It’s still possible he got lost and fell down somewhere and wasn’t found. It’s up to the coroner to make this decision