Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #77

[SouthAussie]

Because they wanted justice for poor William. Same reason we’re all here talking about it so many years later.

Doesn't make it okay.

 

[Couldbe]

JMO – If the young 11 year old had not been removed from the FM and FF when she was, I horror to think that we could all be discussing a far worse outcome for her in that house. Escalating abuse by them has demonstrated that both FM and FF were struggling to control their rage … pointing to the increasing violence possibilities.

 

[SouthAussie]

JMO – If the young 11 year old had not been removed from the FM and FF when she was, I horror to think that we could all be discussing a far worse outcome for her in that house. Escalating abuse by them has demonstrated that both FM and FF were struggling to control their rage … pointing to the increasing violence possibilities.

Removed 9 months too late. With full police knowledge of the abuse she suffered. Disgusting.

 

[Couldbe]

Removed 9 months too late. With full police knowledge of the abuse she suffered. Disgusting.

JMO - and now the FM has chosen to plead guilty to assault charges (Hardly worth fighting!), but pleading not guilty to intimidation .... may be linked and they go hand-in-hand; this has now been handled as per this link:

Magistrate rejects attempt by Tyrrell foster mother to have charges thrown out
“The hearing was adjourned to December 4. A judgment is expected to be delivered next year.”

 

[SouthAussie]

JMO - and now the FM has chosen to plead guilty to assault charges (Hardly worth fighting!), but pleading not guilty to intimidation .... may be linked and they go hand-in-hand; this has now been handled as per this link:

Magistrate rejects attempt by Tyrrell foster mother to have charges thrown out
“The hearing was adjourned to December 4. A judgment is expected to be delivered next year.”

Yes, I know how it is being handled. Which is not the point.

 

[drsleuth]

step 1
she had the visits with the bios reduced.

The visits were court ordered.

4/2013 - Childrens Court - final orders were made where contact visits were 6 times a year - bi-monthly & the Bio mum could ask for more.

 

[Couldbe]

The visits were court ordered.

4/2013 - Childrens Court - final orders were made where contact visits were 6 times a year - bi-monthly & the Bio mum could ask for more.

The birth mother said she said she had not given up on William, and had attended every bimonthly visit, requested more contact and pursued the few paths birth parents have to regain custody when their children are taken by FACS.

'I'd send emails, call the ombudsman,' she told the court.

How poor 'bogans' were treated when rich couple 'lost' William Tyrrell

 

[sleepinoz]

The birth mother said she said she had not given up on William, and had attended every bimonthly visit, requested more contact and pursued the few paths birth parents have to regain custody when their children are taken by FACS.

'I'd send emails, call the ombudsman,' she told the court.

How poor 'bogans' were treated when rich couple 'lost' William Tyrrell

Just because she said it doesn't make it true IMO

 

[drsleuth]

The birth mother said she said she had not given up on William, and had attended every bimonthly visit, requested more contact and pursued the few paths birth parents have to regain custody when their children are taken by FACS.

'I'd send emails, call the ombudsman,' she told the court.

How poor 'bogans' were treated when rich couple 'lost' William Tyrrell

I wonder why none of those emails have been leaked?

 

[iiiii's]

The birth mother said she said she had not given up on William, and had attended every bimonthly visit, requested more contact and pursued the few paths birth parents have to regain custody when their children are taken by FACS.

'I'd send emails, call the ombudsman,' she told the court.

How poor 'bogans' were treated when rich couple 'lost' William Tyrrell

She didn't attend the one before the last visit, however she was very pregnant by the last visit and maybe she had been ill the 2nd last time or it could possibly be that the foster family were in Bali the time the 2nd last visit was scheduled. The last visit had three department people monitoring WT's behaviour for that hour the bio Mum was visiting to see if WT needed support. <modsnip>MOO

I will always wonder about the bio mother interview and the spiderman suit used for reencatments on that show. I had extensively compared spiderman suits with the one in the last photo and nothing ever quite fit until I saw that interview, except it had a big white spider on the back. After contacting the journalist who did the interview, she confirmed to my surprise that they had sent away to Bali for this suit. Later, we found out that GJ had a suit planted on PS walking route which was the same and GJ said that PS said details he couldn't have known about the suit because police had hidden the fact the suit had a white spider on the back. The police obviously had something to do with that suit being used in the reenactment. I actually feel so creeped out at the way she has been treated through all of this. MOO

 

[iiiii's]

How poor 'bogans' were treated when rich couple 'lost' William Tyrrell A lawyer for the Salvation Army, which had co-supervised with FACS some of William's fostering, sat by two lawyers representing a neighbour and a washing machine repairman, with everyone else represented, but the birth parents.

Why don't they mention the the other organisation that was initially involved with WT's fostering, before the care being transferred to the Salvation Army? I believe that has pertinent information and I hope is examined next tranche. MOO

 

[LolaAngelina]

How poor 'bogans' were treated when rich couple 'lost' William Tyrrell A lawyer for the Salvation Army, which had co-supervised with FACS some of William's fostering, sat by two lawyers representing a neighbour and a washing machine repairman, with everyone else represented, but the birth parents.

Why don't they mention the the other organisation that was initially involved with WT's fostering, before the care being transferred to the Salvation Army? I believe that has pertinent information and I hope is examined next tranche. MOO

What does that information have to do with his disappearance. Why would that concern the coroner at all. It’s not going to be “examined”, the inquest isn’t about his foster status

 

[k-mac]

Just because she said it doesn't make it true IMO

This woman has no reason to lie.
<modsnip: profanity> I believe her.
So do many.

Haven't caught her in a lie yet.

No doubt we be all over it here if she did

 

[k-mac]

I wonder why none of those emails have been leaked?

Likely because she don't have high powered attorneys and a million dollar where's william campaign pushing her agenda...be my guess.

 

[iiiii's]

What does that information have to do with his disappearance. Why would that concern the coroner at all. It’s not going to be “examined”, the inquest isn’t about his foster status

It's my personal opinion that tendency evidence might be established around the FFC's selection to be WT's and the other child's FM and potential adopter through a system of preference, nepotism and connections and it might also be that a child could be "lost" or "moved on" the same way.

 

[Melt71]

In fact, I don't think they're fosters at all. I think they're adopters who saw fostering as a means to an end. Their means. With little regard for birth parents or for the children caught in the system.

@Megnut with respect have you either fostered or adopted in Australia? Because if you are in the US (for example), then it operates very, very differently. In Australia there is no foster-to-adopt like the US. It's virtually impossible as a foster parent to get to the point of adoption. Most children who need care until 18 are on a permanent care court order in which they may remain in foster care but the bioparents rights are not removed. Moving from PC to adoption is not unheard of, but unlike some states in the US it is very rare.

Cases of children being placed straight for adoption (for example a baby relinquished at birth) are even more rare in Australia than a foster child moving to adoption. Cases are in the single digits in most states each year and my particular area has some years with zero adoptions. There are lots of reasons but a big one is that commercial adoption agencies are illegal as is any type of payment to a birthmother.

 

[k-mac]

@Megnut with respect have you either fostered or adopted in Australia? Because if you are in the US (for example), then it operates very, very differently. In Australia there is no foster-to-adopt like the US. It's virtually impossible as a foster parent to get to the point of adoption. Most children who need care until 18 are on a permanent care court order in which they may remain in foster care but the bioparents rights are not removed. Moving from PC to adoption is not unheard of, but unlike some states in the US it is very rare.

Cases of children being placed straight for adoption (for example a baby relinquished at birth) are even more rare in Australia than a foster child moving to adoption. Cases are in the single digits in most states each year and my particular area has some years with zero adoptions. There are lots of reasons but a big one is that commercial adoption agencies are illegal as is any type of payment to a birthmother.

Unbeknown to the birth parents, the foster parents had spoken with Mr Attwood about applying to the NSW Supreme Court to formally adopt William.

How poor 'bogans' were treated when rich couple 'lost' William Tyrrell

The problems that beset the William Tyrrell case go to the heart of the foster parent system. On one side, there's a wealthy, couple in a $4m home, on the other side a 'bogan' couple.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SouthAussie]

Why don't they mention the the other organisation that was initially involved with WT's fostering, before the care being transferred to the Salvation Army? I believe that has pertinent information and I hope is examined next tranche. MOO

Sounds like the Youth Hope service was part of the Salvation Army. So the Salvation Army would have all the records. Which is likely why Ben Atwood does most of the talking.

"The Salvation Army’s now defunct Youth Hope service supervised William Tyrrell’s contact visits with his birth parents." Link

"2012-2013: Under the Salvation Army, the birth parents see William for one hour once every two months on visits supervised by Salvation Army Out of Home Care supervisor, Ben Atwood." Link

 

[SouthAussie]

The 2nd point is the point where BM and BD were informed about any thoughts of adoption. Way before any adoption plan is developed.


In brief, the process involves:

• the carer, the child, or the case manager/agency can initiate a discussion about adoption and if it is a suitable pathway for that child
• the child’s birth parents are informed and their opinion sought
• the carer attends a preparation for adoption seminar
• the carer submits a formal application, involving medical, identity and criminal checks, referees and personal information
• an in-depth assessment is carried out, involving discussions with the carer, the child and the birth parents
• an Adoption Plan is developed
• formal consent is given by anyone required to do so
• an application to court is prepared, including the signed adoption plan and affidavits from all parties
• the application is submitted to the Supreme Court in Sydney.

My Forever Family NSW

 

[iiiii's]

Sounds like the Youth Hope service was part of the Salvation Army. So the Salvation Army would have all the records. Which is likely why Ben Atwood does most of the talking.

"The Salvation Army’s now defunct Youth Hope service supervised William Tyrrell’s contact visits with his birth parents." Link

"2012-2013: Under the Salvation Army, the birth parents see William for one hour once every two months on visits supervised by Salvation Army Out of Home Care supervisor, Ben Atwood." Link

No, the other organisation that began WT's fostering before he was transferred to the Young Hope prog through the Salvation Army.

16.03.2012: Nine-month-old William is placed with the foster parents, supervised by Wesley Mission’s Dalmar Out of Home Care.
William Tyrrell: Missing boy’s doomed life before ‘handpicked’ for care | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site