Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #77

[Couldbe]

Coercive powers sought in Tyrrell 'joint investigation'

One of William Tyrrell's former foster parents has already been acquitted as the other is accused of lying to a hearing over secret surveillance tapes.

thewest.com.au

Above is the only story I’ve seen to come out of today.
Seems to be a quote from today from a detective saying they don’t know what happened to WT, despite the fact they’ve sent a brief recommending charges? Confusing…

Underlined BM:
"We simply don't know what happened to him that day," Det Sgt Lonergan told the court on Monday.
He said the former foster father had been eliminated from suspicion of having anything to do with William's disappearance, "to date".

JMO - ..... Maybe more to come on the underlined aspect of William's disappearance!

 

[SouthAussie]

Coercive powers sought in Tyrrell 'joint investigation'

One of William Tyrrell's former foster parents has already been acquitted as the other is accused of lying to a hearing over secret surveillance tapes.

thewest.com.au

Above is the only story I’ve seen to come out of today.
Seems to be a quote from today from a detective saying they don’t know what happened to WT, despite the fact they’ve sent a brief recommending charges? Confusing…

Happens to be the same detective (Lonergan) who earlier said "we know what you did, we know where William is" or words to that effect.

 

[JLZ]

Happens to be the same detective (Lonergan) who earlier said "we know what you did, we know where William is" or words to that effect.

So he's walking back on his omniscience. What next--changing his mind?

 

[SLouTh]

We simply don't know what happened to him that day," Det Sgt Lonergan told the court on Monday.

BBM

If this is the case, then Police are still no further advanced after all these years!

IMO

 

[JLZ]

BBM

If this is the case, then Police are still no further advanced after all these years!

IMO

My god, I missed that bit.

 

[Awakening]

If I rolled my eyes any more, I’d have eyes in the back of my head.

What an absolute debacle.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

On Monday, the court heard evidence from Detective Sergeant Andrew Lonergan, who has been working on the missing person's case since 2020.

Under cross-examination, he told the court the Strike Force Rosann "don't know what happened to him that day", despite confirming they had handed a brief of evidence against his foster mother to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

The court heard she was asked during that hearing whether she found William's body "in the foliage under the verandah" after he fell from the balcony at her mother's house in Kendall in September 2014.

She was asked "Did you find his body, realise he died and there was no point in calling emergency services?" before answering "No".

She was then asked, "Did you decide to take charge of the situation that was beyond remedy and hide his body rather than risk (another child in her care) being taken away?" and answered "No".

Police 'don't know' what happened to William Tyrrell but foster father has been cleared, court told

The foster father is facing charges of giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission, as the court heard new details of the investigation into William's disappearance.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Detective Willy]

My take on this is that Police don't exactly know what happened to William but they know that the FF and FM have both told them lots of misinformation (lies).

The backflips from the FM have been telling and I wish one of the neighbours had CCTV that dreaded day.

It must be so frustrating for Police knowing that they are both hiding things but they can't quite pin them.

If the FC's faces were not hidden (and names suppressed) from the start, perhaps one or both of them would be behind bars already?

 

[SLouTh]

https://x.com/7NewsSydney/status/1721439455503138824?s=20

 

[SLouTh]

Nine’s version here

https://x.com/9NewsSyd/status/1721429094779465736?s=20

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The court heard that when police arrived at her home to serve the summons to appear, they told her “we know you’re a good person” and “we know William was loved”.

But they also said: “We aren’t guessing, we aren’t bluffing. We know why, we know how. We know where he is.”

“Did you find his body in the ferns and in the foliage under the verandah that day,” Ms.​

“Just to be clear, there‘s no suggestion that you harmed him or caused his death, but you found him and you moved his body,” Ms Callan

“I didn’t,” the woman replied.

Shocking new theory about William Tyrrell revealed

William Tyrrell’s foster mother was grilled during secret hearings about whether the missing toddler had toppled off a verandah into ferns before she disposed of his body, a court has heard.

www.perthnow.com.au

 

[SLouTh]

From SMH

The foster father’s barrister, Phillip English, suggested the only theory presented at the secret hearing in late 2021 was the balcony fall, with commissioner Michael Barnes noting that “accidents can happen” and the “primary objective” was to recover William’s body.

SNIP

English said his client had, in an unrelated interview, been presented with evidence that conflicted with his memory and readily conceded he might have been mistaken – however the recordings at the centre of the case were not played to him at the crime commission.

‘Ask her if she did it’: William Tyrrell foster mother quizzed over balcony theory

At a secretive examination, it was suggested that William toppled off a verandah before his foster mother disposed of his body. She insisted: “I didn’t.”

www.smh.com.au

 

[CooperDyl]

https://x.com/7NewsSydney/status/1721439455503138824?s=20

Quick turnaround from “we don’t know what happened” to “manslaughter” in the same day isn’t it??

 

[SLouTh]

Quick turnaround from “we don’t know what happened” to “manslaughter” in the same day isn’t it??

Yes agree!! LOL!!!
Also the “new theory” in the headlines is nothing new!!!! (balcony fall)

It’s all a bit embarrassing actually …. JMO !!!!

IMO

 

[SLouTh]

Daily Mail article …

Never-before-heard details emerge of how William Tyrrell's foster mum was questioned about his disappearance: 'Did you find his body in the ferns?'​

• William Tyrrell foster father faces court on five charges
• He is accused of lying to the NSW Crime Commission
• Transcript of William's foster mum being questioned emerged in court
• Foster mum has always denied a role in, or cover-up, of William's death
• Detective admits 'we simply don't know what happened' ….

Details emerge of William Tyrrell's foster mum's questioning

William Tyrrell's foster mother was asked point blank questions about 'what she did with William's body' after the NSW Crime Commission boss ordered a secret hearing to 'ask her if she did it'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JBowie]

Under cross-examination, he told the court the Strike Force Rosann "don't know what happened to him that day", despite confirming they had handed a brief of evidence against his foster mother to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

Given the above, how is the DPP meant to take this brief seriously?

Police 'don't know' what happened to William Tyrrell but foster father has been cleared, court told

The foster father is facing charges of giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission, as the court heard new details of the investigation into William's disappearance.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Doesitmakesense]

Under cross-examination, he told the court the Strike Force Rosann "don't know what happened to him that day", despite confirming they had handed a brief of evidence against his foster mother to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).

Given the above, how is the DPP meant to take this brief seriously?

Police 'don't know' what happened to William Tyrrell but foster father has been cleared, court told

The foster father is facing charges of giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission, as the court heard new details of the investigation into William's disappearance.

www.abc.net.au

I thought that the general consensus was they didn't know how, just the what happened after eg possible sighting during Ffm drive etc.

 

[JBowie]

I thought that the general consensus was they didn't know how, just the what happened after eg possible sighting during Ffm drive etc.

I'm not aware of any consensus with regard to this case.

If police had a strong case to back the suggested charges, then I would expect statements from them like "We have strong suspicions about what happened", as opposed to "We don't know what happened".

I've said from the moment the proposed charges were "leaked" that, IMO, the DPP would not treat them seriously.

 

[Awakening]

My take on this is that Police don't exactly know what happened to William but they know that the FF and FM have both told them lots of misinformation (lies).

The backflips from the FM have been telling and I wish one of the neighbours had CCTV that dreaded day.

It must be so frustrating for Police knowing that they are both hiding things but they can't quite pin them.

If the FC's faces were not hidden (and names suppressed) from the start, perhaps one or both of them would be behind bars already?

Yes it could be read that way but it’s still a far cry from everything they’ve said before that and they’ve referred it to DPP. Looks weak as now to me. Shame. I thought William might finally get justice but that seems further away than it ever was.

 

[iiiii's]

I guess this case is weighing up the evidence and whether these charges against MFC should be heard. He is not under suspicion for WT's disappearance but his wife is the prime suspect. Although not found of deliberately lying to the NSWCC she did not admit to hitting a child with a wooden spoon when asked. It has been proven that she did do that although she initially tried to plead not guilty under the mental health act. She plead not guilty to a fraud charge but settled that charge to plead guilty to a tribunal, she has plead guilty to two counts of child assault in a prima facie case and the magistrate hearing that case believes it is a prima facie case to intimidation as well although the verdict has not been found as yet. He is under the same pall as well until that case has been concluded and he too has accepted to plead guilty to a tribunal on a fraud charge which he would not plead guilty to in a local court. So the "as yet" in his case maybe as a result of the verdict in upcoming cases.

SFR trying to establish tendency evidence on both people. One committing acts and the other having knowledge of that behaviour. I'm so interested to hear the 5 charges and if they relate to him knowing that she has behaved in a particular way to a child and pretending he has no knowledge. If they prove any of these charges and the intimidation charges, the DPP may think there is a case around WT to pursue.

The fact is SFR can't clear FFC. She was one of the last people to see WT and was responsible for him. In my reading of the timelines, she disappears around the corner just after WT and does not have an alibi for 20 to 25 minutes after the disappearance. She had the means (a car) and possibly a motive (wanting to retain one of the children) to make him disappear. She left the property and street in a car. She has reported 3 other cars that are not corroborated by anyone else. There has not been a trace of WT beyond the property, a thread, clothing, tracks, scent, remains. No POI's have been placed at the scene by other witnesses. SFR could have dropped these charges to stop looking silly and empty handed but I think there is a method in their madness in pursuing them and probably using the next tranche of the inquest too. That is my great hope anyway.