Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #77

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  • #861
Chrissy, do you have a theory to connect to this statement? Making it possible to find DNA on the tyres?

Whose DNA ????? Are you suggesting William’s DNA???

How and when did it get onto FGM Car tyres ???

If DNA was this found on the FGM Car TYRES by Police ?? Why wouldn’t Police have raised a driveway accident theory ??? (And solved this case by now?)

Your statement implies that William was run over by FGM Car that morning ???? (Or some other scenario.?? ) How does this fit into the timeline ???

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I could understand a specific soil sample or plant sample being possibly found on the tyres of FGM car that may relate to Batar Creek …. but DNA???
Never-before-heard details emerge of how William Tyrrell's foster mum ... - Daily Mail
The Balcony theory was one theory put to the Ffc by the CC but other theories were also considered and suggested. Another theory put to Ffc at the CC hearing was that she was covering up an accident for her mother.
How does that fit into the timeline.
Ffc or fgm may have moved the car so kids could ride their bikes on driveway and accidentally run W over. I don’t believe the kids had time to ride their bikes earlier that morning with all the other activities going on drawing pictures for Opa rolling dice game climbing trees. FGM certainly doesn’t mention anything about bike riding in her walkthrough. GO calls the fgm house that morning at 9:10 and spoke to someone who he believes was the daughter. The only person there other than fgm was Ffc. So that leaves roughly 20min to ride bikes draw pictures climb trees and whatever else. I don’t think so. W got bored of rolling the dice and jumped off the back patio. Is that when the bike riding took place after the dice game when W was bored and still full of energy. It’s possible. Was that the time fgm went inside to make cups of tea. It’s possible. L stops in the driveway and says “who’s that car mummy?” Maybe that was the fgm car at the end of the driveway. Sniffer dogs were unable to detect Ws scent past the driveway. Most reports say no scent was detected past the boundary of the backyard but how is that possible if W was playing at the front of the house when he disappeared?
So to answer your question Slouth YES I am suggesting a possible accident in the driveway in fgm car
 
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I don’t know what the actual official timeline is. I don’t think one from the police has ever been provided to the public.
No, unfortunately, there is no “official timeline“ that has been released by the Police….

Knowing the actual time of FM “drive” would be most helpful, and perhaps eliminate some of the speculation …

Also knowing what “time” the following event was witnessed, would be helpful:

The Daily Telegraph can reveal detectives claim the mother was seen driving on a bush road close to the riding school in Kendall on the NSW mid north coast on September 12, 2014. It was around that time police believe she dumped the boy’s body.

We do know that FM admitted the drive on the Walkthru Interview with Police, and Craddock asked FM questions about it at the inquest.
But to my knowledge, no actual time has ever been confirmed ….

IMO

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  • #863
No, unfortunately, there is no “official timeline“ that has been released by the Police….

Knowing the actual time of FM “drive” would be most helpful, and perhaps eliminate some of the speculation …

Also knowing what “time” the following event was witnessed, would be helpful:

The Daily Telegraph can reveal detectives claim the mother was seen driving on a bush road close to the riding school in Kendall on the NSW mid north coast on September 12, 2014. It was around that time police believe she dumped the boy’s body.

We do know that FM admitted the drive on the Walkthru Interview with Police, and Craddock asked FM questions about it at the inquest.
But to my knowledge, no actual time has ever been confirmed ….

IMO

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Ray Hadley: Desperate search for missing boy
Date of podcast- 16th September 2014 4am
Listen to the very end when Ray takes a call from Peter the truck driver
Perhaps Peter the truck driver who was in Kendall that morning can shed some light on the timeline.
Rays podcast was at 4am Tuesday 16th September and Ffc walkthrough with police was later that same day. Information that was coming in was being reported to the fp.
Peter talks about a suspicious blonde woman in a black Camry (postal lady?) and mentions parking in front of the local store. I also think Peter was the man “whose English was good” who asked for directions to Batar Crk Rd. Going by his timeline it ties in with a drive down Batar Creek Rd around 10:15/10:30

 
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Never-before-heard details emerge of how William Tyrrell's foster mum ... - Daily Mail
The Balcony theory was one theory put to the Ffc by the CC but other theories were also considered and suggested. Another theory put to Ffc at the CC hearing was that she was covering up an accident for her mother.
How does that fit into the timeline.
Ffc or fgm may have moved the car so kids could ride their bikes on driveway and accidentally run W over. I don’t believe the kids had time to ride their bikes earlier that morning with all the other activities going on drawing pictures for Opa rolling dice game climbing trees. FGM certainly doesn’t mention anything about bike riding in her walkthrough. GO calls the fgm house that morning at 9:10 and spoke to someone who he believes was the daughter. The only person there other than fgm was Ffc. So that leaves roughly 20min to ride bikes draw pictures climb trees and whatever else. I don’t think so. W got bored of rolling the dice and jumped off the back patio. Is that when the bike riding took place after the dice game when W was bored and still full of energy. It’s possible. Was that the time fgm went inside to make cups of tea. It’s possible. L stops in the driveway and says “who’s that car mummy?” Maybe that was the fgm car at the end of the driveway. Sniffer dogs were unable to detect Ws scent past the driveway. Most reports say no scent was detected past the boundary of the backyard but how is that possible if W was playing at the front of the house when he disappeared?
So to answer your question Slouth YES I am suggesting a possible accident in the driveway in fgm car
Thankyou …. It does help immensely if you add your theory at the same time as the initial broad sweeping statements.



However, just to keep one fact about the case correct …about GO

GO calls the fgm house that morning at 9:10 and spoke to someone who he believes was the daughter.
The 09:10am call to FGM House, by GO, on the morning that William Disappeared went unanswered ….

Again according to phone records, it was a local handyman, [GO], who called at 9.10 a.m. to ask about some repairs that William's foster nana needed done to the deck.
William's foster mum has no recollection of receiving that call.
She was, it seems, already outside, with William."

Post in thread 'Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #57'
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #57



The call answered by “the other daughter” was the day before William disappeared …

Another Twitter member's replies to Lia's tweets say in part: "[GO] states he spoke to foster grandmothers daughter the day before William disappeared." BBM [Twitter link] and "He states it wasn’t [FFC he was talking to]" [Twitter link].

Post in thread 'Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49'
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49

IMO
 
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Ray Hadley: Desperate search for missing boy
Date of podcast- 16th September 2014 4am
Listen to the very end when Ray takes a call from Peter the truck driver
Perhaps Peter the truck driver who was in Kendall that morning can shed some light on the timeline.
Rays podcast was at 4am Tuesday 16th September and Ffc walkthrough with police was later that same day. Information that was coming in was being reported to the fp.
Peter talks about a suspicious blonde woman in a black Camry (postal lady?) and mentions parking in front of the local store. I also think Peter was the man “whose English was good” who asked for directions to Batar Crk Rd. Going by his timeline it ties in with a drive down Batar Creek Rd around 10:15/10:30

That black Camry, Peter the Truckdriver was speaking about, was ruled out years ago …..
AFAIK ….
IMO
 
  • #866
Thankyou …. It does help immensely if you add your theory at the same time as the initial broad sweeping statements.



However, just to keep one fact about the case correct …about GO


The 09:10am call to FGM House, by GO, on the morning that William Disappeared went unanswered ….

Again according to phone records, it was a local handyman, [GO], who called at 9.10 a.m. to ask about some repairs that William's foster nana needed done to the deck.
William's foster mum has no recollection of receiving that call.
She was, it seems, already outside, with William."

Post in thread 'Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #57'
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #57



The call answered by “the other daughter” was the day before William disappeared …

Another Twitter member's replies to Lia's tweets say in part: "[GO] states he spoke to foster grandmothers daughter the day before William disappeared." BBM [Twitter link] and "He states it wasn’t [FFC he was talking to]" [Twitter link].

Post in thread 'Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49'
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49

IMO
Post in thread 'Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49'
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49
Was it confirmed GO spoke to other daughter the day before. Nope.
If GO spoke to other daughter the day before why didn’t fgm say to police in her walkthrough that her daughter was there the day before. Fgm is asked about what she did the day before and there is no mention of her other daughter being at her housr
Ffc made a call to BS at 9:03. BS returned her call shortly after but couldn’t get through (phone was engaged).
 
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That black Camry, Peter the Truckdriver was speaking about, was ruled out years ago …..
AFAIK ….
IMO
That wasn’t my point Slouth. Peter was the truck driver in Kendall that morning picking up machinery for a client. He reports on a suspicious car he sees but yes that car was ruled out. What else and who else did Peter see that morning?
 
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Post in thread 'Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49'
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49
Was it confirmed GO spoke to other daughter the day before. Nope.
Ffc made a call to BS at 9:03. BS returned her call shortly after but couldn’t get through. It seems to tie in with GO calling at 9;10
Respectfully Chrissy, you have this the wrong way around … …

It was BS who didn’t get the call as he was on another call at 09:03am and it went directly to his message bank, proven by Peter O’Brien….



We naturally enough sent the material to an expert who confirmed that because he was on a telephone call at the time the message was received on the handset, it would not have been recorded on the handset," Mr O'Brien said.

"There was an innocent explanation as to the message not being there, rather than it having been deleted. Then that was something that was erroneously put to him. It was based on a falsehood and ought to have been checked thoroughly.





BS didn’t contact the FGM house until Monday the 15th … after all of the parts had arrived …

Book Missing William Tyrrell by Caroline Overington Chapter 7

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  • #869
Respectfully Chrissy, you have this the wrong way around … …

It was BS who didn’t get the call as he was on another call at 09:03am and it went directly to his message bank, proven by Peter O’Brien….



We naturally enough sent the material to an expert who confirmed that because he was on a telephone call at the time the message was received on the handset, it would not have been recorded on the handset," Mr O'Brien said.

"There was an innocent explanation as to the message not being there, rather than it having been deleted. Then that was something that was erroneously put to him. It was based on a falsehood and ought to have been checked thoroughly.





BS didn’t contact the FGM house until Monday the 15th … after all of the parts had arrived …

Book Missing William Tyrrell by Caroline Overington Chapter 7

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A friend of Mr Spedding said that Mr Spedding had a missed call from William’s grandmother on Friday morning but could not get through when he tried to call back. He said that Mr Spedding then met his wife Margaret for a coffee before they went to a presentation at the primary school of one of their grandchildren.



The Daily Telegraphhttps://dailytelegraph.com.au › nswRepairman's home searched in hunt for missing William Tyrel
 
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A friend of Mr Spedding said that Mr Spedding had a missed call from William’s grandmother on Friday morning but could not get through when he tried to call back.


The Daily Telegraphhttps://dailytelegraph.com.au › nswRepairman's home searched in hunt for missing William Tyrel
I think I would rather put my faith in “phone records“ that were legally proven, rather than what a friend had to say…. but JMO

And we now know, how much of the BS Case and reporting was inaccurate, resulting in BS rightly receiving a payout …..

All IMO
 
  • #871
A friend of Mr Spedding said that Mr Spedding had a missed call from William’s grandmother on Friday morning but could not get through when he tried to call back.


The Daily Telegraphhttps://dailytelegraph.com.au › nswRepairman's home searched in hunt for missing William Tyrel

Mr Spedding himself told the police that when he called back he got no answer. Not that the phone was busy.

He then called back later in the afternoon and spoke with someone.

 
  • #872
I think I would rather put my faith in “phone records“ that were legally proven, rather than what a friend had to say…. but JMO

And we now know, how much of the BS Case and reporting was inaccurate, resulting in BS rightly receiving a payout …..

All IMO
The article came out January 2015. Only 4 months after the fact. The best evidence is the earliest evidence. Ffc call to BS wasn’t recorded on his phone because he was on the phone at the same time so her call is not registered. If BS listened to Ffc message (call not recorded) and called her back via the voicemail prompts and the phone was engaged then BS return phone call is also not recorded. But that doesn’t mean the call wasn’t made. Why would BS friend say something like that if not for good reason
 
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It is interesting noticing the similarities in the police language.

To BS:
Detective Moynihan turned around and said to him: "We know you did it. We're going to get you. I'm going to come and arrest you" Link

To FM:
“We aren’t guessing, we aren’t bluffing. We know why, we know how. We know where he is.” Link
 
  • #874
The article came out January 2015. Only 4 months after the fact. The best evidence is the earliest evidence. Ffc call to BS wasn’t recorded on his phone because he was on the phone at the same time so her call is not registered. If BS listened to Ffc message (call not recorded) and called her back via the voicemail prompts then BS return phone call is also not recorded. But that doesn’t mean the call wasn’t made. Why would BS friend say something like that if not for good reason


Not being able to "get through" does not necessarily mean that the phone was busy.
As BS told the police himself, there was "no answer". (as per my link in the relevant post)

Which would correlate with the fact that they were all outside at that time.

imo
 
  • #875
Not being able to "get through" does not necessarily mean that the phone was busy.
As BS told the police himself, there was "no answer". (as per my link in the relevant post)

Which would correlate with the fact that they were all outside at that time.

imo
There was no answer because the phone was engaged IMO
 
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Add more discrepancies to the timeline from the 60 minutes interview as well


FM makes the 000 call and Police arrive only 4 minutes later. At this point FF is in the house with FM - this contradicts all other versions that FF began racing around the neighbourhood searching for William the second he arrived home. I have also read that FF was crying in the bathroom when Police arrived and not out searching for William? This is not lining up with his Police walkthrough interview.

How is FM so immediately certain that William was taken? She allegedly was not even watching him? She says he was not a wanderer but jumps in the car and drives a long way away allegedly looking for him. This contradicts both FPs statements of being absolutely certain he is not a wanderer.

Not a single mention of the drive in the 60 minute interview either.

The 60 minutes piece watches like a carefully crafted story they want the public to believe. Not 1 mention of the mountain of inconsistencies. Also the investigation board shows Jubelin and SFR 100% certain that William was "abducted".

The minute that Police failed to cordon off the FGM house and they took their eyes of the FP's, they took their eyes off the ball. Hence this remains unsolved IMO.
 
  • #878
Just an update ... the murdered Kendall man's name has been released. I don't think any of the names involved in the murder are related to William's case. AFAIK

Usual type of headline ...
Love triangle twist in alleged murder of tradie Paul William Davey in Kendall as one of the accused declares he 'can't wait to marry' the dead father's baby mama

imo

Maybe there’s no connection other then Batar Creek Road.

But we don’t know who the fosters are, so for all we know the fosters could be connected to one or more of these people.
 
  • #879
JMO -quite a bit of discombobulation/lying gone on for that to be what happened! (The FGM must have cooperated in the story ... to be told to LE!
Perverting the course of justice ... each proven lie may become treated as separate counts?
So nightrider, the time of taking William to see the horses would be after the 9.37am photo times (On the back Patio).
That would have provided the FM with approx 45 minutes to drive there and back (Add some time to tell the FGM before FF arrival back).

.... That theory of possibility:"She drove down towards the riding school, maybe suggesting that they could see horses or go and pat the horses as a distraction to WT who was wanting the FF and fretting for him."
"WT jumped out and had an accident which happened at the side of the road??"
"She told him to go and find the horses?? and WT went through the bushes?? and didn't return??"


.... dictates that the FM has managed to lie to everyone (Except the FGM) and together, they have managed to dupe everyone .. i.e. until sufficient of her lying/perverting the course of justice can be uncovered.

All MOO
What, if someone waited for little W to show him horses? Waiting with some identifying feature, which FFC knew to recognize, possibly without knowing the person (one of grandma's acquaintances?). No head injury, no accident, no dead little boy, but simply a hand over: "Go to this person, the person will show you nice horses!"

Later little W was seen in a racing car, followed by another racing car ..... And he was alive and well, standing on the backseat, looking out the window.
 
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