Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #77

[bearbear]

Hired a media management? You’re saying they are being paid? Can you link to this? I believed this was being done unpaid. The fosters didn’t hide behind anonymity, it was the law.

paid, unpaid, what does it really matter?
they are/were controlling the whole narrative,
they are no longer foster carers there is no need for their anonymity

 

[SouthAussie]

they are no longer foster carers there is no need for their anonymity

A woman accused of bombarding William Tyrrell's foster dad with threatening phone calls has fled town after her arrest.

LW, 51, allegedly called the man 14 times in eight hours from different pay phones around Dubbo, in the New South Wales central west, between 1pm and 9pm on February 24.

The mother-of-three was charged last Thursday with using a carriage service to menace, harass, or offend. She was granted strict bail.
Link


A vigilante who 'seems to think he is the avenging angel of justice' was jailed for 34 days for stalking William Tyrrell's foster father.
JV, from Melbourne, has shared conspiracy theories about the high-profile missing boy's foster parents online for years.
Link

 

[bearbear]

yes, im aware, but probably all people accused of crimes against children or named as pois get threats and harrassment from unhinged public, they dont have an anonymity cloak to hide under though

 

[SouthAussie]

yes, im aware, but probably all people accused of crimes against children or named as pois get threats and harrassment from unhinged public, they dont have an anonymity cloak to hide under though

FM was not named as a POI at the time. FD has never been named as a POI. Yet he got the brunt of these people's crazy.

There are all kinds of nutcases out there that are convinced they know the answers to this case. Somehow. Magically. Even the police don't know the answers.

And even pedos are protected by anonymity. Due to threats of harm.

imo

 

[FromGermany1]

A woman accused of bombarding William Tyrrell's foster dad with threatening phone calls has fled town after her arrest.

LW, 51, allegedly called the man 14 times in eight hours from different pay phones around Dubbo, in the New South Wales central west, between 1pm and 9pm on February 24.

The mother-of-three was charged last Thursday with using a carriage service to menace, harass, or offend. She was granted strict bail.
Link


A vigilante who 'seems to think he is the avenging angel of justice' was jailed for 34 days for stalking William Tyrrell's foster father.
JV, from Melbourne, has shared conspiracy theories about the high-profile missing boy's foster parents online for years.
Link

If the fosters possibly stalked their young ex foster daughter, it doesn't matter so much, it seems. They can talk their way out of almost anything. That bothers me.

 

[SouthAussie]

If the fosters possibly stalked their young ex foster daughter, it doesn't matter so much, it seems. They can talk their way out of almost anything. That bothers me.

They didn't stalk her. The charge is 'Stalking or Intimidation'. They are prosecuting and defending intimidation.

imo

 

[CooperDyl]

A vigilante who 'seems to think he is the avenging angel of justice' was jailed for 34 days for stalking William Tyrrell's foster father.
JV, from Melbourne, has shared conspiracy theories about the high-profile missing boy's foster parents online for years.
Link

And the police wouldn’t have a word said about this he foster parents at one point…
I wonder if this jailed man was offered an apology for focusing on the fosters now that the police are too? Not that I condone stalking, but if he felt he had evidence that pointed towards them (as it now seems LE may) and police wouldn’t listen, I can see why one could get a bit obsessive….
All imo.

 

[CooperDyl]

They didn't stalk her. The charge is 'Stalking or Intimidation'. They are prosecuting and defending intimidation.

imo

This is where there’s a discrepancy in the reporting. The following two sources (ABC and DailyMail) list the charges as Stalking AND Intimidation. Others say Stalking OR Intimidation. Regardless, we never heard anything about the stalking, so whether that was an initial charge that dropped or simply an error in reporting, the wording remains out there.

William Tyrrell's foster mother charged with stalking, intimidation

NSW Police lay new charges against William Tyrrell's foster mother who is already before the courts for the alleged assault of a child.

amp.abc.net.au

William Tyrrell's foster mother in court on kicking, stalking charges

William Tyrrell's foster mother will face court trying to have charges of kicking a young girl, and then allegedly stalking her heard on mental health grounds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SouthAussie]

And the police wouldn’t have a word said about this he foster parents at one point…
I wonder if this jailed man was offered an apology for focusing on the fosters now that the police are too? Not that I condone stalking, but if he felt he had evidence that pointed towards them (as it now seems LE may) and police wouldn’t listen, I can see why one could get a bit obsessive….
All imo.

Not seeing why anyone would apologise to him. His crime was against the FD who has never been named a POI.

imo

 

[CooperDyl]

Not seeing why anyone would apologise to him. His crime was against the FD who has never been named a POI.

imo

The stalking charge was against the FD but that’s not what I’m referencing.

From the link/post above “JV, from Melbourne, has shared conspiracy theories about the high-profile missing boy's foster parents online for years.”
Is it a conspiracy theory if it turns out something he said was right? Assuming that one or more of these said theories involved the FM who is now a poi. That being said, I’m sure the individuals theories were outlandish and more than what really happened. Not sure if it’s the same person but have seen plenty online regarding fosters being involved in child abuse rings etc that have been debunked.

That said if this person was trying to convince police to look closer at both fosters only to be told they were dead wrong (or ignored) when GJ was in charge, only for the new focus to be on the FM now after so long, I can imagine being frustrated.

To finish all of that - i feel like i should highlight the point that it is absolutely wrong to stalk people and both incredibly dangerous and stupid to try dish out your own brand of vigilante justice. Not advocating for any of that.

All imo

 

[SouthAussie]

This is where there’s a discrepancy in the reporting. The following two sources (ABC and DailyMail) list the charges as Stalking AND Intimidation. Others say Stalking OR Intimidation. Regardless, we never heard anything about the stalking, so whether that was an initial charge that dropped or simply an error in reporting, the wording remains out there.

William Tyrrell's foster mother charged with stalking, intimidation

NSW Police lay new charges against William Tyrrell's foster mother who is already before the courts for the alleged assault of a child.

amp.abc.net.au

William Tyrrell's foster mother in court on kicking, stalking charges

William Tyrrell's foster mother will face court trying to have charges of kicking a young girl, and then allegedly stalking her heard on mental health grounds.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This is the charge under NSW Law:

Stalking or intimidation with intent to cause fear of physical or mental harm​

CRIMES (DOMESTIC AND PERSONAL VIOLENCE) ACT 2007 - SECT 13 Stalking or intimidation with intent to cause fear of physical or mental harm

www5.austlii.edu.au

 

[LolaAngelina]

And the police wouldn’t have a word said about this he foster parents at one point…
I wonder if this jailed man was offered an apology for focusing on the fosters now that the police are too? Not that I condone stalking, but if he felt he had evidence that pointed towards them (as it now seems LE may) and police wouldn’t listen, I can see why one could get a bit obsessive….
All imo.

Who do you think should apologise to him? He broke the law and was found guilty. His pages are still up l believe and it’s not just conspiracy theories it’s really offensive stuff targeting many people in the public eye. This isn’t the first time he’s been to jail either.

 

[Mauig’ma]

This is the charge under NSW Law:

Stalking or intimidation with intent to cause fear of physical or mental harm​

CRIMES (DOMESTIC AND PERSONAL VIOLENCE) ACT 2007 - SECT 13 Stalking or intimidation with intent to cause fear of physical or mental harm

www5.austlii.edu.au

As far as I’m concerned, stalking or intimidation are one and the same. The wording fits for what she’s charged with. Intimidating the same person is stalking isn’t it? Moo

 

[CooperDyl]

Who do you think should apologise to him? He broke the law and was found guilty. His pages are still up l believe and it’s not just conspiracy theories it’s really offensive stuff targeting many people in the public eye. This isn’t the first time he’s been to jail either.

Anyone who said the foster parents weren’t involved, if it is proven they are.
Not for the charges against him, nor for punishing him for crimes.
But if he was pointing towards the right people for the right reasons (outside of offensive baseless allegations, which is may be possible is all he has spurted) then maybe a sorry we didn’t listen to you sooner on this one specific thing (not the crazy stuff).

I don’t know, in reality he probably doesn’t deserve an apology. But I imagine it would feel somewhat liberating if the prove FPs are involved and he’s been pointing at them the whole time.

 

[SouthAussie]

Anyone who said the foster parents weren’t involved, if it is proven they are.
Not for the charges against him, nor for punishing him for crimes.
But if he was pointing towards the right people for the right reasons (outside of offensive baseless allegations, which is may be possible is all he has spurted) then maybe a sorry we didn’t listen to you sooner on this one specific thing (not the crazy stuff).

I don’t know, in reality he probably doesn’t deserve an apology. But I imagine it would feel somewhat liberating if the prove FPs are involved and he’s been pointing at them the whole time.

Except there isn't any right "people" about it. The FD has never been a POI. Not then, and not now.


On Monday, the court heard evidence from Detective Sergeant Andrew Lonergan, who has been working on the missing person's case since 2020.
Under cross-examination, he told the court the Strike Force Rosann "don't know what happened to him [William] that day"
The court also heard William's foster father had been cleared of any involvement in his disappearance.

Police 'don't know' what happened to William Tyrrell but foster father has been cleared, court told

The foster father is facing charges of giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission, as the court heard new details of the investigation into William's disappearance.

www.abc.net.au

 

[FromGermany1]

As far as I’m concerned, stalking or intimidation are one and the same. The wording fits for what she’s charged with. Intimidating the same person is stalking isn’t it? Moo

Agree. Intimidation doesn't work without contact, and contact comes only about through stalking, when you no longer live in the same household. MOO

 

[Couldbe]

Agree. Intimidation doesn't work without contact, and contact comes only about through stalking, when you no longer live in the same household. MOO

JMO - The young girl is continuing to be protected, and any further contact by the Foster Parents is currently prohibited until March 2024:

“The DPP has until late January to decide if to charge SD with perverting the course of justice and interfering with a corpse.
Magistrate McIntyre adjourned Monday's case until March 22, and continued an Apprehended Violence Order in place protecting the young girl to continue.”
William Tyrrell foster father's claim about vile words to girl, 11 (Underlined BM)

 

[SouthAussie]

JMO - The young girl is continuing to be protected, and any further contact by the Foster Parents is currently prohibited until March 2024:

“The DPP has until late January to decide if to charge SD with perverting the course of justice and interfering with a corpse.
Magistrate McIntyre adjourned Monday's case until March 22, and continued an Apprehended Violence Order in place protecting the young girl to continue.”
William Tyrrell foster father's claim about vile words to girl, 11 (Underlined BM)

In addition, MSM has clearly stated what the intimidation events are alleged to be. One while getting the child to school (FD). Two verbal incidents while in the home (FM).

No stalking involved. imo

The AustLII link I posted earlier provides a clear definition of what the State of NSW considers to legally be classified as stalking, and a separate definition of what the State of NSW considers to legally be classified as intimidation.

 

[Warshawski]

william with his sister and bio family, i wonder if this was before being rehomed or during an access visit? i hope <mod edit> she has access to her family now and a happy relationship with them all, that feeling of home and family, a sense of belonging

How poor 'bogans' were treated when rich couple 'lost' William Tyrrell

The problems that beset the William Tyrrell case go to the heart of the foster parent system. On one side, there's a wealthy, couple in a $4m home, on the other side a 'bogan' couple.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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Such a lovely family photo bearbear, thanks for posting. I'm sure it treasured by <mod edit> their parents.
IMO it’s definitely taken on an access visit, as William was a baby when he went to the FF.

 

[Warshawski]

Except there isn't any right "people" about it. The FD has never been a POI. Not then, and not now.


On Monday, the court heard evidence from Detective Sergeant Andrew Lonergan, who has been working on the missing person's case since 2020.
Under cross-examination, he told the court the Strike Force Rosann "don't know what happened to him [William] that day"
The court also heard William's foster father had been cleared of any involvement in his disappearance.

Police 'don't know' what happened to William Tyrrell but foster father has been cleared, court told

The foster father is facing charges of giving false or misleading evidence to the NSW Crime Commission, as the court heard new details of the investigation into William's disappearance.

www.abc.net.au

With all due respect SA, there was a time when it could have accurately been stated that ‘the FF has never been a POI ‘.

iMO, this investigation was a clu$&r fu#k from the beginning, and has become increasingly so as the years have progressed.

I actually find these half-baked, tax payer funded court proceedings to be embarrassing. IMO our investigations teams should have more self-respect & professionalism than to present in the way they do - totally unprepared to Win.
The reality is that Justice will be served, be it in this life or the next. If Police don’t have the necessary answers now, stop wasting $$ and move on. No shortage of crimes to solve!