Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[JLZ]

There does not need to be something more to it.

Jubes explained in the 2nd episode of I Catch Killers with Dan Box that the huge 2018 forensic search (and all of the money spent on that) was conducted simply to show that William did not lose himself - or not lose himself anywhere within the vicinity of FGM's house/Benaroon Drive/Batar Creek Road/the forest trails. That he wasn't laying there previously undiscovered.

I am pretty sure that the 2018 forensic search was also done at the Coroner's request.

This is why I find it helpful to listen and read everything about this case. Because I learn things that the public has not realised before.

imo

That is a worrying attitude. Searching to prove that something isn't there, as opposed to searching to discover what is there, or whether a thing is there or not? The expectation is going to bias the result.

 

[SouthAussie]

That is a worrying attitude. Searching to prove that something isn't there, as opposed to searching to discover what is there, or whether a thing is there or not? The expectation is going to bias the result.

She needs to be able to include or exclude things in her final determination. I think it is thorough. Or as thorough as is possible.

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

Then I should probably be clearer and state this is based on my opinion and is my experience of having family and friends in the force in WA and VIC, but not NSW.

Not a problem having an opinion. I was stating the reason for actions in a large scale forensic search - under the instruction of the Coroner - in this particular case.

 

[Awakening]

Not a problem having an opinion. I was stating the reason for actions in a large scale forensic search - under the instruction of the Coroner - in this particular case.

Except police said they had a brand new witness and were acting on new evidence.

 

[JLZ]

She needs to be able to include or exclude things in her final determination. I think it is thorough. Or as thorough as is possible.

imo

I'm not criticizing the coroner's attitude. I mean if police went into a search thinking, "we all know he didn't wander, let's get this over and we've ticked all the boxes to prove it", there's an increased chance that something relevant will be missed.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'm not criticizing the coroner's attitude. I mean if police went into a search thinking, "we all know he didn't wander, let's get this over and we've ticked all the boxes to prove it", there's an increased chance that something relevant will be missed.

IIRC, they were picking up cigarette butts, a found ball, and other potential evidence in that search. Because we thought they were looking for evidence of someone who lured William at the time.

So I imagine the search was trying to make sure they hadn't missed anything at all. Even though it was primarily focused on finding William.

imo

 

[LolaAngelina]

Except police said they had a brand new witness and were acting on new evidence.

Police have said a lot of things we are now finding not to be true.

 

[JLZ]

IIRC, they were picking up cigarette butts, a found ball, and other potential evidence in that search. Because we thought they were looking for evidence of someone who lured William at the time.

So I imagine the search was trying to make sure they hadn't missed anything at all. Even though it was primarily focused on finding William.

imo

And that is very different, I might say opposite, to what you said GJ/DB wrote.

 

[JLZ]

Except police said they had a brand new witness and were acting on new evidence.

Are you referring to the woman in Herons Creek?

 

[LolaAngelina]

Finally, the secret William Tyrrell tapes emerge

The secret grilling of William Tyrrell 's foster mother about the toddler's disappearance and her possible cover up and dumping of his body will be played in open court for the first time.

www.dailymail.co.uk

“We aren’t guessing, we aren’t bluffing. We know how, we know why, we know where he is”

Yet they were guessing and bluffing. They don’t how, why or where he is. There’s definitely another big lawsuit coming their way

 

[Couldbe]

Lots of detail in that link. I think the point is that he is a likely candidate for the truck driver FFC said she saw, but he did not notice her. He turned out of Cobb & Co Rd at the corner where FFC said she stopped. I can't remember whether she ever mentioned the truck was carrying something like an excavator?

https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...e/news-story/2f97c656f10125d18c1404173084ed38
"He said he was driving at a maximum of 40km/h, telling the court he was “creeping out of the place”."

JMO - .... Because of the travelling speed of the Witness truck driver, I don't think that is the truck that the FM was describing in her Walkthrough (She said the semi-trailer was coming down really fast!) :
Police walkthrough reveals details about William Tyrrell's foster parents

Police walkthrough reveals details about William Tyrrell's foster parents / 9now.nine.com.au

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Then she said she saw a "semi-trailer coming down really fast and ... he (the driver) thought I pulled over, because he acknowledged me saying thanks for pulling over, but I pulled over because I had just got my head out the window looking for William".

 

[JBowie]

There has to be more to it then what the public are privy to. No way are police getting the go ahead to spend money and resources on the big dig without something other than a theory.

You'd want to think so but, given the outcome, IMO they were simply acting on a theory that they and others held.

On the other side of the coin, I guess had they not done it then there would have been constant pressure on them to do it.

 

[JLZ]

https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...e/news-story/2f97c656f10125d18c1404173084ed38
"He said he was driving at a maximum of 40km/h, telling the court he was “creeping out of the place”."

JMO - .... Because of the travelling speed of the Witness truck driver, I don't think that is the truck that the FM was describing in her Walkthrough (She said the semi-trailer was coming down really fast!) :
Police walkthrough reveals details about William Tyrrell's foster parents

Police walkthrough reveals details about William Tyrrell's foster parents / 9now.nine.com.au

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Then she said she saw a "semi-trailer coming down really fast and ... he (the driver) thought I pulled over, because he acknowledged me saying thanks for pulling over, but I pulled over because I had just got my head out the window looking for William".

Good point. But: he said; she said. If PB thought the police angle was that he might have hit William, he would have been tempted to minimize what he said was his speed.

 

[Zedx]

Lots of detail in that link. I think the point is that he is a likely candidate for the truck driver FFC said she saw, but he did not notice her. He turned out of Cobb & Co Rd at the corner where FFC said she stopped. I can't remember whether she ever mentioned the truck was carrying something like an excavator?

When we talk about the neighbours seeing or hearing cars, we mean the Benaroon Drive and Ellendale Crescent neighbours observing cars in those two streets. The neighbours would not be able to comment on how many cars passed up or down Batar Creek Road.

The point IMO is that there were random cars in the area that were not noticed, so there is the likelihood that there could have been cars on Benaroon Dr that the neighbors did not see or hear. No one saw or heard the FM. No one saw the postie?

 

[JLZ]

The point IMO is that there were random cars in the area that were not noticed, so there is the likelihood that there could have been cars on Benaroon Dr that the neighbors did not see or hear. No one saw or heard the FM. No one saw the postie?

I agree there could have been a car on Benaroon Drive which had the opportunity to take William and was not observed by any neighbours.

Edit: And this is one of the reasons I want to know exactly what times the lawn-mower man was out front.

Edit again, I don't think we actually know that none of the neighbours saw or heard the postie. Apparently she was in the street well before William disappeared.

 

[SouthAussie]

And that is very different, I might say opposite, to what you said GJ/DB wrote.

No, what I said was the Coroner wanted to forensically confirm William having not been found in previous searches. The reason for the search.

And I added that SFR also picked up what could be potential evidence of someone watching William. Because we saw photos of them doing that (as well as raking, cutting and digging the underbrush). A secondary reason.

Just to be clear.

 

[SouthAussie]

You'd want to think so but, given the outcome, IMO they were simply acting on a theory that they and others held.

On the other side of the coin, I guess had they not done it then there would have been constant pressure on them to do it.

I think it was a necessary search. To rule out the possibility that William was placed along Batar Creek Road. Otherwise people would have gone on and on about that forever. The Coroner has to be as certain as she can be.

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

Good point. But: he said; she said. If PB thought the police angle was that he might have hit William, he would have been tempted to minimize what he said was his speed.

As well, 40kph could seem fast to someone who was crawling at, say, 5kph looking for her missing son.

imo

 

[JLZ]

As well, 40kph could seem fast to someone who was crawling at, say, 5kph looking for her missing son.

imo

On a road that's somewhat narrow, with limited visibility. Besides which, PB was talking about his progress down Batar Creek Road after he would have passed FFC near the corner of Cobb & Co?

(I am agreeing with you by the way. I do agree with people sometimes.)

 

[Couldbe]

Good point. But: he said; she said. If PB thought the police angle was that he might have hit William, he would have been tempted to minimize what he said was his speed.

Yes JLZ, but he didn't name a Mazda (FGM car) as one of those he encountered;
and the FM didn't observe/mention an excavator on the back.