Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[Wexford]

Sounds to me that the Coroner wants to review all of the evidence herself, and not be subjected to others opinions. All of the evidence should be in the updated police brief.

imo

It would be interesting to know if this sort of decision by a coroner has occurred before? Or if this particular coroner has made this decision before in other inquests.
There were requests for her to be removed from this inquest at one stage. NSW Police tried to exclude deputy coroner from cases after her elderly mother handcuffed
May not be related but I wonder at the relationship between the coroner and the police at this point in time.
I agree she may just wish not be subjected to the opinions of the others, all of whom have had their own different POI very publicly in their sights, but may not have always been the same POI their team thought they should have been looking at.
Listening to the I Catch Killers podcast released yesterday we are told we can probably expect the unexpected from this inquest. Interesting comment, I can't help but think that may be a big hint that there WILL be something new.

 

[SouthAussie]

It would be interesting to know if this sort of decision by a coroner has occurred before? Or if this particular coroner has made this decision before in other inquests.
There were requests for her to be removed from this inquest at one stage. NSW Police tried to exclude deputy coroner from cases after her elderly mother handcuffed
May not be related but I wonder at the relationship between the coroner and the police at this point in time.
I agree she may just wish not be subjected to the opinions of the others, all of whom have had their own different POI very publicly in their sights, but may not have always been the same POI their team thought they should have been looking at.
Listening to the I Catch Killers podcast released yesterday we are told we can probably expect the unexpected from this inquest. Interesting comment, I can't help but think that may be a big hint that there WILL be something new.

As far as I am aware, David Laidlaw wears a few hats. We found (further back in the threads) that he was in charge of the Coroners investigation unit. Independently of the Unsolved Homicide Squad. I don't know if he still is in that position.

The Coroner should be across what he has been doing, due to the coronial investigation unit and - separately - due to the updated police brief.

I think we need to remember that the Coroner also did not want to hear from the previous lead investigators (Hans Rupp and Gary Jubelin). I think that if she is going to put one of them on the stand, she likely needs to put all 3 of them on the stand.
The information from them all should be in their respective police briefs.

imo
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[Marg944]

Inquest resumes a decade after William Tyrrell vanished

An inquest into the disappearance and suspected death of William Tyrrell is about to resume more than five...

www.northweststar.com.au

 

[Lemony]

Bonus episode - The Inquest - Witness: William Tyrrell

What to expect at today’s inquest into William’s disappearance. Witness: William Tyrrell is the new, landmark investigation from news.com.au. Read more and watch exclusive video content here Follow us on socials: Instagram: @newscomauhq Facebook: News.com.au TikTok: @news.com.au Subscribe to...

omny.fm

What to expect at today’s inquest into William’s disappearance.

Witness: William Tyrrell is the new, landmark investigation from news.com.au. Read more and watch exclusive video content here
Follow us on socials: Instagram: @newscomauhq Facebook: News.com.au TikTok: @news.com.au

Subscribe to Crime X+ and listen to this podcast ad-free

If you know anything about what happened to William, please call CrimeStoppers on 1800 333 000

Contact us confidentially at [email protected]

 

[drsleuth]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/inquest-to-probe-william-tyrrell-balcony-fall-theory-as-toddler-missing-10-years-on/news-story/5b24b4947725124b52499f9bdce121a7

Inquest to probe William Tyrrell balcony fall theory as toddler missing 10 years on​

The inquest into the disappearance of toddler William Tyrrell will resume on Monday, with the court expected to hear details of a police theory he died in an accidental fall.

@stevezemek

2 min read
November 4, 2024 - 6:00AM

 

[SouthAussie]

Bonus episode - The Inquest - Witness: William Tyrrell

What to expect at today’s inquest into William’s disappearance. Witness: William Tyrrell is the new, landmark investigation from news.com.au. Read more and watch exclusive video content here Follow us on socials: Instagram: @newscomauhq Facebook: News.com.au TikTok: @news.com.au Subscribe to...

omny.fm

What to expect at today’s inquest into William’s disappearance.

Witness: William Tyrrell is the new, landmark investigation from news.com.au. Read more and watch exclusive video content here
Follow us on socials: Instagram: @newscomauhq Facebook: News.com.au TikTok: @news.com.au

Subscribe to Crime X+ and listen to this podcast ad-free

If you know anything about what happened to William, please call CrimeStoppers on 1800 333 000

Contact us confidentially at [email protected]

The list of witnesses hasn't been provided. 'Still working on the list' is the answer that has been given when asked.

We can expect instances of closed court, and NPOs. It means that justice is being done behind closed doors.

"I'm expecting to see something we don't expect." (maybe due to the fact that a witness list hasn't been provided? imo)

(from your link)

 

[LolaAngelina]

Is anyone doing updates on Twitter? Lia doesn’t seem to be doing it this time

 

[SLouTh]

Is anyone doing updates on Twitter? Lia doesn’t seem to be doing it this time

No not yet sadly ….

There is this small article suggesting we are going to hear new evidence …

https://twitter.com/x/status/1853238867882840263

Long-running inquest to hear new evidence a decade after William Tyrrell vanished

An inquest into the disappearance and suspected death of William Tyrrell is about to resume more than five years after it began.

7news.com.au

 

[drsleuth]

‘Hundreds of years’: Key in Tyrrell mystery

The inquest into the disappearance of William Tyrrell has heard there is no forensic evidence pointing to the fate of the young boy, 10 years after his disappearance.

au.news.yahoo.com

The witness list for Monday includes Professor Jon Olley, Senior Constable Jost Preis and Dr Jennifer Menzies.

Counsel assisting Gerard Craddock SC told the court that according to the police theory, the foster mother then returned to her mother’s home at Benaroon Drive and phoned triple-0.

“The evidence in tranche five will look at that theory,” Mr Craddock said.

The foster mother has persistently and vehemently denied any wrongdoing.

Mr Craddock told the court that police theories could be wrong.

He noted earlier police theories that washing machine repairman Bill Speeding was a person of interest.

“A police officer’s belief may be right or wrong,” Mr Craddock told the court during opening submissions on Monday.

“A coroner can’t act on the express belief of a police investigator.”

 

[drsleuth]

Spotlight on theory Tyrrell foster mum hid dead toddler

Allegations William Tyrrell's foster mother hid his body after he died at a NSW coastal property 10 years...

www.cessnockadvertiser.com.au

Paywalled

 

[drsleuth]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/inquest-to-probe-william-tyrrell-balcony-fall-theory-as-toddler-missing-10-years-on/news-story/5b24b4947725124b52499f9bdce121a7

 

[Wexford]

‘Hundreds of years’: Key in Tyrrell mystery

The inquest into the disappearance of William Tyrrell has heard there is no forensic evidence pointing to the fate of the young boy, 10 years after his disappearance.

au.news.yahoo.com

The witness list for Monday includes Professor Jon Olley, Senior Constable Jost Preis and Dr Jennifer Menzies.

Counsel assisting Gerard Craddock SC told the court that according to the police theory, the foster mother then returned to her mother’s home at Benaroon Drive and phoned triple-0.

“The evidence in tranche five will look at that theory,” Mr Craddock said.

The foster mother has persistently and vehemently denied any wrongdoing.

Mr Craddock told the court that police theories could be wrong.

He noted earlier police theories that washing machine repairman Bill Speeding was a person of interest.

“A police officer’s belief may be right or wrong,” Mr Craddock told the court during opening submissions on Monday.

“A coroner can’t act on the express belief of a police investigator.”

Olley should be interesting.

 

[drsleuth]

William Tyrrell inquest: police suspect foster mother buried toddler after accidental death

Wild dogs may have taken any remains of three-year-old if he was buried in nearby bushland, deputy NSW coroner Harriet Grahame hears

www.theguardian.com

William Tyrrell inquest: police suspect foster mother buried toddler after accidental death​

NSW detectives believe woman may have loaded three-year-old’s body into her mother’s Mazda, deputy coroner Harriet Grahame hears

After the three-year-old died at the Kendall property, police believe the foster mother might have loaded his body into her mother’s Mazda before driving down the road to dispose of his remains, the deputy NSW coroner Harriet Grahame heard.

It was only then that she called triple zero, according to investigators’ theory.

“Police assert that she must have quickly resolved that if the accidental death were to be discovered, she might lose [her other foster child],” Craddock said.

Evidence will be given from a truck driver who drove past the site where the foster mother allegedly disposed of the body.

 

[Chrissy74]

William Tyrrell inquest: police suspect foster mother buried toddler after accidental death

Wild dogs may have taken any remains of three-year-old if he was buried in nearby bushland, deputy NSW coroner Harriet Grahame hears

www.theguardian.com

William Tyrrell inquest: police suspect foster mother buried toddler after accidental death​

NSW detectives believe woman may have loaded three-year-old’s body into her mother’s Mazda, deputy coroner Harriet Grahame hears

After the three-year-old died at the Kendall property, police believe the foster mother might have loaded his body into her mother’s Mazda before driving down the road to dispose of his remains, the deputy NSW coroner Harriet Grahame heard.

It was only then that she called triple zero, according to investigators’ theory.

“Police assert that she must have quickly resolved that if the accidental death were to be discovered, she might lose [her other foster child],” Craddock said.

Evidence will be given from a truck driver who drove past the site where the foster mother allegedly disposed of the body.

Finally our truck driver appears. Hopefully he can clear up the confusion on the timing of fm drive.
Truck driver Peter was in Kendall that morning. He spoke to RH on his podcast 2 days after W went missing. He says he was in Kendall to pick up machinery and arrived sometime around 9am and left Kendall around 11:30/12.

 

[drsleuth]

Expert combed through rubbish dump hunting for William Tyrrell's body

An inquest, which began in 2019 but has been beset by protracted delays has now entered its final block of hearings, which will be held this week, and over two weeks just before Christmas .

www.dailymail.co.uk

'After alerting [a neighbour] to William's disappearance, [she] drove her mother's car to Batar Creek Road and placed William's body somewhere in the undergrowth.'

Mr Craddock told the hearing on Monday that the foster mother had no recollection of the precise time she drove her mother’s car from the house after the boy vanished on the morning of September 12, 2014.

snip

Both William’s biological father and his foster parents are attending the hearings, as are detectives from Strike Force Rosann, and its boss Detective Chief Superintendent David Laidlaw.

The long-running inquest into the 10-year mystery will also hear from Professor Jon Olley, a water science expert who was onsite at the renewed hunt for the toddler body in a fresh dig staged in 2021.

Mr Craddock said the area around Batar Creek Road had been extensively searched by police who did not believe any trace of William was left there.

He also said that in the search for William after his disappearance - with police, fire fighters, cadaver dogs, chainsaws and hydraulic equipment – meant that the little boy had not simply just been lost in the search area.

‘William under his own steam could not travel beyond the area of the intensive search,' he said. 'The conclusion there must have been human intervention.

‘It’s beyond argument that no eye eyewitness can provide an account about how he left the boundaries of 48 Benaroon Drive.'

snip

On the fresh dig, teams scoured the garden of his foster grandmother’s home and nearby bushland, but did not report finding anything of significance.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It's turned out in quite a few cases that missing children had actually walked much further than was thought possible.
In some cases well beyond the areas searched.

 

[Chrissy74]

It's turned out in quite a few cases that missing children had actually walked much further than was thought possible.
In some cases well beyond the areas searched.

I think it’s been established that W didn’t wander off

 

[Chrissy74]

William Tyrrell inquest: police suspect foster mother buried toddler after accidental death

Wild dogs may have taken any remains of three-year-old if he was buried in nearby bushland, deputy NSW coroner Harriet Grahame hears

www.theguardian.com

William Tyrrell inquest: police suspect foster mother buried toddler after accidental death​

NSW detectives believe woman may have loaded three-year-old’s body into her mother’s Mazda, deputy coroner Harriet Grahame hears

After the three-year-old died at the Kendall property, police believe the foster mother might have loaded his body into her mother’s Mazda before driving down the road to dispose of his remains, the deputy NSW coroner Harriet Grahame heard.

It was only then that she called triple zero, according to investigators’ theory.

“Police assert that she must have quickly resolved that if the accidental death were to be discovered, she might lose [her other foster child],” Craddock said.

Evidence will be given from a truck driver who drove past the site where the foster mother allegedly disposed of the body.

Could this mean that evidence was found in fgm car?

 

[drsleuth]

Could this mean that evidence of this was found in fgm car?

Maybe , maybe not. I'd say not thou IMO, as surely if they had forensic evidence that William was deceased in the boot of the FGM's, than the FFC would have been charged, especially if they say they have a witness who seen the FFC mother with the FGM's car??

I believe that all evidence is shown to the coroner to both include & exclude possibilities.

Ie They may need to call the experts to show the Coroner what was done , how thorough the search was that nothing was found ( or found )

All IMO

 

[SLouTh]

New article

The inquest into William Tyrrell’s disappearance will probe the police theory that his foster mother buried his body in bushland after he fell from a balcony and died on the morning he vanished.

‘That’s the reason we’re here,’ counsel assisting, Gerard Craddock SC, told Monday's resumed hearing into the three-year-old's death, who was last seen in Kendall on the NSW mid north coast in 2014.

Snip

Police assert that in that frame of mind, [the foster mother] placed William in her mother's car,' said Mr Craddock.

'After alerting [a neighbour] to William's disappearance, [she] drove her mother's car to Batar Creek Road and placed William's body somewhere in the undergrowth.'

Mr Craddock told the hearing on Monday that the foster mother had no recollection of the precise time she drove her mother’s car from the house after the boy vanished on the morning of September 12, 2014.

Devastating theory detectives believe solves William Tyrrell mystery

The inquest into William Tyrrell's disappearance will deeply probe the police case that his foster mother buried his body in bushland after he fell from a balcony and died on the morning he vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk