Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[bearbear]

wondering why police waited a year to release details of the 2 parked cars fc allegedly saw that morning outside her mothers house, did they not believe her? or was it strategy?

 

[Couldbe]

My point still stands DrSleuth. Peter is the only truck driver who has come forward with information that fits the time and place of Ws disappearance. Perhaps if he was initially questioned about or shown pictures of the fm and the fgm car it would have jogged his memory but if it seems Peter wasnt called to give evidence until now, 10yrs after the fact. As I stated previously I am of the opinion that Peter the truck driver who called in to speak with Ray Hadley 2 DAYS after W disappeared is the same Peter the truck driver who fm mentions in her walkthrough (fm doesn’t mention her drive until 6 days later in her and by that time the fp were kept informed of information that was coming through to police and crime stoppers) so what’s to say fm suddenly decides to mention the truck driver knowing a truck driver had already called into CS with info.

In the FM Walkthrough she makes the comment regarding her knowledge of the traffic on Batar Creek Road as per this link Underlined by me):

William Tyrrell's foster mother filmed retracing her steps with police

William Tyrrell's foster mother describes how she drove all the way to a busy road before accepting the three-year-old was gone.

www.dailymail.co.uk

"William's foster mother - who is now a person of interest in the long-running case - described how she drove all the way to a busy road before accepting he was gone after frantically checking with neighbours that he hadn't wandered into their yards.

'The semis go down this road quite often and they fly,' she said."

.... JMO - There was no need for FM to say that about the semis, and I suggest that she has added that comment in order to validate her story about pulling over for a semi, when in fact she didn't encounter a semi there.

 

[SouthAussie]

.... JMO - There was no need for FM to say that about the semis, and I suggest that she has added that comment in order to validate her story about pulling over for a semi, when in fact she didn't encounter a semi there.

Doesn't that go against what has been speculated by some here before? Saying that FM only spoke of the drive because she knows a truck driver saw her.

(I didn't say it, but I have seen it theorised here.)

imo

 

[Chrissy74]

It sounds as if the Coroner has more evidence of what the FM was doing than we are aware of. I think they are probably better placed to assess the times. And Mr Craddock is only going by facts.

Facebook activity is involved. Maybe FM took those 9:37-ish photos and posted some to her siblings or friends. We don't know where the Facebook information comes into it. Only that it is in that timeline after 9:37am.

imo

No doubt the coroner does have more evidence and possibly a fairly precise time frame of when W vanished. There are witnesses who have testified hearing a car in the street around 10am, fgm tells police they were all on the back veranda from 9-10am (“about an hour”), and the first person fgm see after W disappears is AMS and AMS wasn’t approached by fm or ff or fgm until after 10:40am. These are All credible witness statements. Who has verified seeing the fm between 10ish and 10:40am other than the fm?
I can understand that One could easily be forgiven for inconsistent times in a traumatic event. But there’s a big difference between 5min and half an hour or more.

 

[FromGermany1]

yes, but who would these other nine people be who attested she was inside making tea?

Why did FM tell so many people about her alibi-tea? Odd.

 

[SouthAussie]

Who has verified seeing the fm between 10ish and 10:40am other than the fm?

Probably FGM and sister. And FD at 10:35.

Who would you expect to have seen her? With people at work, kids at school. The Crabbs sitting on their back deck.

Can't remember, at the moment, what Paul Savage was doing. Inside with his wife, I think. She was preparing something for dinner, for when their relatives arrived later that day.

imo

 

[Chrissy74]

Probably FGM and sister. And FD at 10:35.

Who would you expect to have seen her? With people at work, kids at school. The Crabbs sitting on their back deck.

Can't remember, at the moment, what Paul Savage was doing. Inside with his wife, I think. She was preparing something for dinner, for when their relatives arrived later that day.

imo

Who would you expect to have seen her?

The exact people you mentioned SthAussie but I’ve yet to see anything in their statements that provide an accurate time from when fm first went around the side of the house to the time she’s next seen by anyone.
And if the cups of tea were still warm then what time does fm suggest they were made? Fgm was certain there was no morning tea before 10:30am

 

[SouthAussie]

Who would you expect to have seen her?

The exact people you mentioned SthAussie but I’ve yet to see anything in their statements that provide an accurate time from when fm first went around the side of the house to the time she’s next seen by anyone.
And if the cups of tea were still warm then what time does fm suggest they were made?

I don't know if they were the only cups of tea made that morning. It has been said that FM made tea, and it has been said that FGM made tea. (I looked back through the threads earlier to find out more about early reports about the tea.)

It's a bit confusing. But the Coroner/Mr Craddock seems to have developed a factual early timeline through provable means.

 

[FromGermany1]

Probably FGM and sister. And FD at 10:35.

Who would you expect to have seen her? With people at work, kids at school. The Crabbs sitting on their back deck.

Can't remember, at the moment, what Paul Savage was doing. Inside with his wife, I think. She was preparing something for dinner, for when their relatives arrived later that day.

imo

Before preparing dinner HS drove to her Bingo session.

 

[Megnut]

Do posties drive govt-issued vehicles or personal cars? Do we know?

JMO

 

[Melt71]

Do posties drive govt-issued vehicles or personal cars? Do we know?

JMO

In the Victorian country area I was raised, the local postie drove his own car. Many country houses didn't get delivery to the house, their mailboxes were grouped together on the corner of a nearby road, or at the end of long driveways. Not always visible from the homes.

 

[Chrissy74]

Do posties drive govt-issued vehicles or personal cars? Do we know?

JMO

Both

 

[JBowie]

Before this week, many simply trusted that if police believed she was responsible, they must have good reason to suspect her.

This was their opportunity to present those reasons to the coroner, to outline any incriminating evidence they had gathered.

But very little evidence that could be considered incriminating has been presented, at least not in open court.

There was one piece of evidence heard in a closed court, which we cannot legally report, but there is no suggestion it was incriminating.

William's foster mother is entitled to the presumption of innocence. Not only has she never been found guilty of this crime, she's never even been charged.

Furthermore, from what has been put before the coroner, it now appears police may have publicly set their sights on her without any fresh and compelling evidence to suggest she might be guilty, despite her previously being cleared by the former lead investigator. (bbm)

Full article:

Police backed up their theory against William Tyrrell's foster mother. Little incriminating evidence was heard

 

[Couldbe]

Doesn't that go against what has been speculated by some here before? Saying that FM only spoke of the drive because she knows a truck driver saw her.

(I didn't say it, but I have seen it theorised here.)

imo

Maybe

 

[LolaAngelina]

dbm

 

[bfew]

'The semis go down this road quite often and they fly,' she said."

Fly so fast that that she and/or her defence could try and use this to repudiate any evidence that a semi-driver could have positively seen her or her husbands faces behind the wheel when/if they crossed paths in opposite directions down that road?

 

[marv hucker]

I always find this strange too.

An innocent person says “I didn’t do it so get stuffed” not “Where is the Proof that I DID It!””.

It always sounds smug and like “nobody saw me do it and I got away with it” IMO.

She _has_ said that (or words to that effect).
I feel you’re cherry picking to find one or two sentences - then taking them out of context - out of the many hours of discussions that do sound strange. Police approach to this discussion was in hypotheticals - “what would you have done in X situation” - she responded in kind.

 

[Couldbe]

Fly so fast that that she and/or her defence could try and use this to repudiate any evidence that a semi-driver could have positively seen her or her husbands faces behind the wheel when/if they crossed paths in opposite directions down that road?

Yes ... Or maybe cover herself if she didn't go down Batar Creek Rd, but actually drove elsewhere! MOO

During the first Inquest (Prior to Covid) Mr Craddock had asked the FM to clarify the direction of her drive ... did she turn left or right once she came out of Benaroon Drive!

I can remember reading that in a Media Article covering that previous Inquest Hearing, but having trouble finding it again ... maybe another Poster can provide the link please.

 

[SouthAussie]

Does it seem more likely that the police spent a kazillion dollars on the Big Dig on FM's say-so of where she went?

Or does it seem more likely that they did the Big Dig because someone said that they saw her driving on Batar Creek Road, and the police believed that someone?

Or both. FM said she took the drive AND someone (who the police believe) says they saw her?

imo

 

[JLZ]

But Peter didn't see the FM in the FGM's car . Nothing about seeing anyone driving or stopped & pulled over on Batar Creek Rd


His truck was a Kenworth.
He saw a black or burgandy or dark red series 5 BMW 84/85 model , with maybe a ladder on top ( initially told police it had a ladder than couldn't remember, so was taken to his statement, than insinuated that the detectives might not have taken his statement down correctly & said " Weather the car had a ladder or not is not relevant , I don't see the releavance" & " Let's go with the fact that it is black & had a ladder on the roof"
He also added at some point " We are supposed to trust our Detectives aren't we?"

Following the BMW was a dark grey dual cab ute with a ladder on top!

These cars were coming towards him on Batar Creek Rd. - which he described as a " 1960's goat track"

He had never been to Kendall before
His truck was a Kenworth.
He arrived in Kew @ 9am, waited for Michelle ( who he picking the excavator up of on Cob & Co Rd
He was in Kew waiting approx 30 mins - he saw the woman here.
He than moved his truk to Kendall where he parked in the area in front of the op- shop - the woman he saw in Kew than turned up again in Kendall & parked in front of him.
The woman was in a jet black camry- desribed her as black outfit, maybe lycra, 5 foot - maybe less, blonde hair & excess weight.
When Michelle arrived he followed her to Batar Creek Rd & parked truck & went with Michelle to Cob & Co Rd property to assess the access. Access was ok & he went & loaded excavator & had his way out of Kendall

When he turned Lt out of Cob & Co Rd onto Batar Creek Rd he saw the BMW follwed by the ute. He said they didn't come out of Benaroon Drive , but couldn't explain why he thought that ( the coroner asked him that question) He just said because they were on the road ( he also had no clue about any of the names of roads - except Cob & Co )

He was caught on CCTV from the Kendall Tennis club arriving in Kendall at 9.27am ( actual time on CCTV was 9:13 as it was 14mins slow ) & shows him driving off @ 10am ( 9:47 on CCTV )
He passed another truck ( White Western Star with blue curtains & sripping? ) when he turned of Batar Creek Rd when he was leaving Kendall ( I assume this was Laurel or Albert St)

His was truck with the excavator was seen on CCTV @ the tennis club leaving Kendall at 10:53 ( actual CCTV time 10:39 as 14 mins slow )

He was going about 30 - 40ks/hr " Creeping out of the place " & " It's a back street for god's sake"


I'm not sure why he was called ,maybe because he says saw another semi heading to Batar Creek Rd?? Surely the police have identified this truck also??

He was an interesting witness, dogs barking in background, birds chirping, him telling the dog to shut up .

But sadly , the evidence he gave was very underwhelming, as we have been led to believe, for years, that he was going to say he saw the FFC in the FGM's car.

The court room was absolutely packed with journos

Edited for typos

Thank you for this. Can I clarify, PB said he stopped in Kew for about half an hour, went to Kendall where he also stopped for half an hour? Trying to make sense of this, I am assuming he went to Kew, phoned Michelle, who gave him directions to the Kendall shops and said she'd meet him there. They met in Kendall and she led him to Cobb & Co Rd. Perhaps she didn't get there immediately and that's why he had to wait the second time.

He's certainly on the spot at the relevant time, I think you have to ask him about what he saw and how sure he is that he saw it. The short blonde woman in Kew and Kendall is of no interest as far as I'm concerned; she is not behaving strangely to visit those two sets of shops; she might well think he was behaving strangely hanging about at each for no visible reason, and fussily edging his truck away from her.

It's understandable that his memory of the cars in Kendall is hazy. He's got a large vehicle to navigate through a strange place while watching a car ahead. He's probably right about the Western Star truck and the black Camry, but sadly not very reliable about the cars that were or weren't in Batar Creek Rd.