Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[iiiii's]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/su...1=HIGH-Segment-1-SCORE&V21spcbehaviour=append

apparently this link has photos recently released from the tyrrell inquiry. Can any of these photos be linked please to a post?

 

[SouthAussie]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https://www.theaustralian.com.au/podcasts/nowhere-child-new-documents-released-at-inquest-into-william-tyrrells-disappearance/news-story/c4e0c3dc68babcd4cfb8e493dbf29862&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=HIGH-Segment-1-SCORE&V21spcbehaviour=append

apparently this link has photos recently released from the tyrrell inquiry. Can any of these photos be linked please to a post?

It is an article from 2019. It contains 5 photos of the May 2018 forensic search.

1. SFR search map of the first 3 weeks
2. SFR overview search map
3. Police searching the bush with rakes
4. A small dam behind 31 Benaroon Drive
5. A photo of 4 police involved in the search (don't know who they are)

 

[drsleuth]

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/william-tyrrell-person-of-interest-frank-abbott-has-previously-been-acquitted-of-murder-in-a-disturbing-1968-case/news-story/060df4d6e957ed773d8221e2cbb083a0

We also spoke to Abbott’s niece, who said her father – Frank Abbott’s brother, David – once told her a story about Helen.

“I can just see where I am right now in the shed with him there telling me this story of this young girl they picked up who was on a push bike,” the woman said.

“They put the bike in the back of the ute and … took her out (into) the bush and they, yeah, all had sex with her.

She said she told detectives in Queensland about this, and there is a reference to the claim in a written witness statement we have seen from an unrelated investigation, dated 21 November 2022.

This evidence was provided to the News South Wales Police Force, the woman said, but no officer has contacted her to ask about Helen.

 

[drsleuth]

On September 19th 2014 there is a post from you that mentions fgm slippers and the stroller and some toys. You also provided links that can no longer be accessed. Not sure how to link your post so I’ve attached a photo of it for your reference.

In your post you refer to taking a picture of the back patio showing the slippers and stroller from one of the very first videos that was released. So it seems the picture I posted earlier on is in fact from the first day W went missing. If not, what video/photo could you have been referring to as we know the last photo of W that was released early on doesn’t show fgm slippers or the stroller

I would also like to know when the photo that you just posted was taken as it dates to a news report back in 2019


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Actually the photo with the FGM wearing her slippers was shown as soon as the 13/9/2014 and you can see the stroller up near the laundry screen door too, this is probably what SouthAussie was referencing , not your photo IMO

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Search for missing William Tyrell, 3, in Kendall, on NSW mid-north coast intensifies as community refuses to lose hope​

THE family of three-year-old William Tyrell, who vanished from the front yard of his grandparents’ home on Friday morning, say they are desperate to have him found safe and well.

LIA HARRIS and NEIL KEENE IN KENDALLIN KENDALL

September 13, 2014 - 10:42PM

 

[Chrissy74]

Actually the photo with the FGM wearing her slippers was shown as soon as the 13/9/2014 and you can see the stroller up near the laundry screen door too, this is probably what SouthAussie was referencing , not your photo IMO

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Search for missing William Tyrell, 3, in Kendall, on NSW mid-north coast intensifies as community refuses to lose hope​

THE family of three-year-old William Tyrell, who vanished from the front yard of his grandparents’ home on Friday morning, say they are desperate to have him found safe and well.

LIA HARRIS and NEIL KEENE IN KENDALLIN KENDALL

September 13, 2014 - 10:42PM

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The link in this post takes you to the article

Child vanishes during Sydney family holiday​

By 9NEWS
8:02pm Sep 12, 2014

He might have had a treasured Spider-Man?
http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...ing-sydney-family-holiday#Z50Puu9o6fbEvYUj.99

Again I state this photo was taken the day W disappeared.

 

[Raina_the_observer]

I wonder what was the relevance of the ramp in the 2021search. It seems to be placed where fgm slippers were left at the top of the stairs. I also notice the paved path from the patio to the backyard, from all the photos I’ve looked at it appears it wasn’t there the day W went missing

I would say that ramp was there to wheel some type of equipment into the house to aid in the search, or to remove furniture, again to help with the search. It looks like the type of ramp removal companies use.
Of course the house wasn't the same, it had been sold twice since 2014, so new owners change things.

 

[Chrissy74]

Why do you think the FGM did not give evidence at the inquest???

We know from police statements that fgm left her home three days after W disappeared to stay with a relative in Port M, taking her car—and potentially key evidence—with her, removing it from the crime scene for five days. I wonder if this contributed to the six-day delay in the foster mother reporting her drive in that car. Had the police been informed of the trip from day one, they likely would have conducted a thorough forensic examination of FGM’s car immediately.

I also question why representatives from child services and MW, who visited the home within the first 24 to 48 hours, didn’t speak to nana about the importance of not disclosing the children’s foster care status. FM was upset that her mother was sharing this information with friends and neighbours, and wanted WH to speak with the nana about it.
If the release of this information was subject to specific rules and regulations, shouldn’t it have been MW’s responsibility to have that discussion with the nana instead of a police officer?

 

[Chrissy74]

I would say that ramp was there to wheel some type of equipment into the house to aid in the search, or to remove furniture, again to help with the search. It looks like the type of ramp removal companies use.
Of course the house wasn't the same, it had been sold twice since 2014, so new owners change things.

In my opinion, the FGM likely rented out her home for two years before selling it in 2016, which would align with the two-year pension eligibility rule. We know she was unwell and probably required full-time care, and a residential aged care facility would have been better suited to meet her daily needs.

Real estate photos available online show only a few pieces of her furniture, and the 60 Minutes report from September 2015 shows the house looking largely empty—especially the back patio and side balcony. If someone had purchased the home in 2014, it’s odd that they apparently didn’t move in with their own furniture. The external changes to the home appear to be made sometime after the September 2015 interview with new gravel being laid on the path leading to the garage as well as the new path laid outside the back patio leading from the backstairs out towards the garden. It’s possible those changes were made by the ff in preparation for the 2016 sale

I’m aware that online records list the house as being sold twice, but that data could have been entered by any real estate agent. Sale price was exactly the same. Not a dollar more not a dollar less

 

[sleepinoz]

In my opinion, the FGM likely rented out her home for two years before selling it in 2016, which would align with the two-year pension eligibility rule. We know she was unwell and probably required full-time care, and a residential aged care facility would have been better suited to meet her daily needs.

Real estate photos available online show only a few pieces of her furniture, and the 60 Minutes report from September 2015 shows the house looking largely empty—especially the back patio and side balcony. If someone had purchased the home in 2014, it’s odd that they apparently didn’t move in with their own furniture. The external changes to the home appear to be made sometime after the September 2015 interview with new gravel being laid on the path leading to the garage as well as the new path laid outside the back patio leading from the backstairs out towards the garden. It’s possible those changes were made by the ff in preparation for the 2016 sale

I’m aware that online records list the house as being sold twice, but that data could have been entered by any real estate agent.

No she didn't rent it out, it was sold:

https://www.realestate.com.au/property/48-benaroon-dr-kendall-nsw-2439/

 

[Raina_the_observer]

We know from police statements that fgm left her home three days after W disappeared to stay with a relative in Port M, taking her car—and potentially key evidence—with her, removing it from the crime scene for five days.

But weren't the cadaver dogs on the scene on the very next day? The tracker dog arrived the afternoon of the 12th, from inquest testimony.
I cant find it now but I am sure it was reported that the cadaver dogs were one day behind the tracking dogs.
So the dogs would already have been all around all the cars.

 

[sleepinoz]

In my opinion, the FGM likely rented out her home for two years before selling it in 2016, which would align with the two-year pension eligibility rule. We know she was unwell and probably required full-time care, and a residential aged care facility would have been better suited to meet her daily needs.

Real estate photos available online show only a few pieces of her furniture, and the 60 Minutes report from September 2015 shows the house looking largely empty—especially the back patio and side balcony. If someone had purchased the home in 2014, it’s odd that they apparently didn’t move in with their own furniture. The external changes to the home appear to be made sometime after the September 2015 interview with new gravel being laid on the path leading to the garage as well as the new path laid outside the back patio leading from the backstairs out towards the garden. It’s possible those changes were made by the ff in preparation for the 2016 sale

I’m aware that online records list the house as being sold twice, but that data could have been entered by any real estate agent. Sale price was exactly the same. Not a dollar more not a dollar less

October 19, 2015 - The house where toddler William Tyrrell disappeared from has gone on the market, only a year after it was sold by the missing child's grandmother.

Property where toddler William Tyrrell disappeared on the market

The house where toddler William Tyrrell disappeared from has gone on the market, only a year after it was sold by the missing child's grandmother.

www.smh.com.au

I think it best if we stick to facts rather than imply this could have happened, that could have happened.

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Chrissy74 said:
We know from police statements that fgm left her home three days after W disappeared to stay with a relative in Port M, taking her car—and potentially key evidence—with her, removing it from the crime scene for five days."

Can you please provide a copy of these Police Statements if you are stating as fact.

 

[Megnut]

But weren't the cadaver dogs on the scene on the very next day? The tracker dog arrived the afternoon of the 12th, from inquest testimony.
I cant find it now but I am sure it was reported that the cadaver dogs were one day behind the tracking dogs.
So the dogs would already have been all around all the cars.

Cadaverine iiuc doesn't develop immediately. If Wm died and was transported away quickly, I'm not sure there'd be enough scent for cadaver dogs to sense.

If the FFC is responsible for relocating Wm, I think she moved him a second time and that's why his remains have never been recovered.

I think too it's possible she left twice, and she was the car that others heard .... perhaps a second drive to pitch shoes.

JMO

 

[BoysTown]

But weren't the cadaver dogs on the scene on the very next day? The tracker dog arrived the afternoon of the 12th, from inquest testimony.
I cant find it now but I am sure it was reported that the cadaver dogs were one day behind the tracking dogs.
So the dogs would already have been all around all the cars.

The court heard on Tuesday that the initial search in September 2014 included dog handlers looking for a decomposing body.

William Tyrrell inquest: foster mother abused outside court after police allege she may have buried toddler

Counsel assisting warns ‘fairness is deserved by all’ after inquest hears foster mother may have disposed of three-year-old’s body following accidental death in 2014

www.theguardian.com

 

[LolaAngelina]

Cadaverine iiuc doesn't develop immediately. If Wm died and was transported away quickly, I'm not sure there'd be enough scent for cadaver dogs to sense.

If the FFC is responsible for relocating Wm, I think she moved him a second time and that's why his remains have never been recovered.

I think too it's possible she left twice, and she was the car that others heard .... perhaps a second drive to pitch shoes.

JMO

Not related to the case but how did get those badges and name?

 

[Chrissy74]

But weren't the cadaver dogs on the scene on the very next day? The tracker dog arrived the afternoon of the 12th, from inquest testimony.
I cant find it now but I am sure it was reported that the cadaver dogs were one day behind the tracking dogs.
So the dogs would already have been all around all the cars.

Cadaver dogs didn’t arrive at the scene until four days later—just one day after the FGM left her home. fp would have been informed that cadaver dogs were arriving the following day, in fact fm greets the dogs outside with a piece of Ws clothing. She’s on the ball!!! clever one and surely an intelligent woman like herself would have known that cadaver dogs are not searching for a live scent. IMO it’s hard to miss how Fm is constantly altering and readjusting her timeline as facts and evidence begin to emerge.

The Guardianhttps://www.theguardian.comWilliam Tyrell search: police say sniffer dogs have found no trace of boy

 

[SouthAussie]

Cadaver dogs didn’t arrive at the scene until four days later .....


The Guardianhttps://www.theguardian.comWilliam Tyrell search: police say sniffer dogs have found no trace of boy

Your link does not say that cadaver dogs showed up 4 days later. Just because the information was published 4 days later doesn't mean that is when the cadaver dogs were brought in.

For example, we know (from testimony) that a sniffer dog was there on the afternoon that William disappeared, not 4 days later, and they are mentioned in the same sentence.

"Neither police sniffer dogs nor cadaver dogs had been able to pick up any sign of the boy, Fehon said."

 

[Chrissy74]

Nowhere in your link does it say that cadaver dogs showed up 4 days later. Just because the information was published 4 days later doesn't mean that is when the cadaver dogs were brought in.

For example, we know (from testimony) that a sniffer dog was there on the afternoon that William disappeared, not 4 days later, and they are mentioned in the same sentence.

"Neither police sniffer dogs nor cadaver dogs had been able to pick up any sign of the boy, Fehon said."

where’s William episode the aftermath.
Cadaver dogs were bought in 3/4 days after W went missing. 32:20 sec

 

[SouthAussie]

where’s William episode the aftermath.
Cadaver dogs were bought in 3/4 days after W went missing

Please post links and relevant time on the video (if it is a video) for the information. So we can get some verifiable facts on the thread with the relevant link. Thanks in advance.

 

[Chrissy74]

Please post links and relevant time on the video (if it is a video) for the information. So we can get some facts on the thread with the relevant link. Thanks in advance.

Aftermath
32:20 seconds

 

[drsleuth]

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Cadaverine iiuc doesn't develop immediately. If Wm died and was transported away quickly, I'm not sure there'd be enough scent for cadaver dogs to sense.

If the FFC is responsible for relocating Wm, I think she moved him a second time and that's why his remains have never been recovered.

I think too it's possible she left twice, and she was the car that others heard .... perhaps a second drive to pitch shoes.

JMO

If that's the case, why did no one see her drive twice?