Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[butterstick]

Not that I don't appreciate the podcast digging up more possibilities - sometimes you really have to be aware of the winning format of true crime content while listening to this stuff.

In ep14 of Witness there is a story where the police are told Margaret was seen with FA. (~30min in)

The music is tense and grim, and the announcer is speaking slowly in a low voice that adds a lot of gravity to the story.
And you come away feeling... Whoa, the police KNEW a murdered woman was seen with FA!

But in retrospect... THREE people knew this information... and out of all of them, the only time they told the police was out their car window to a traffic policeman while driving past a traffic incident.

And the lady in the podcast is wondering "what might of happened" if the police took the information seriously. A traffic policeman trying to deal with an unrelated and probably stressful traffic indecent ... blimey, I can easily forgive him for missing that.

See. I don't blame the media for putting time into this content, and this particular podcast is more valuable than some. But it's interesting to me that this incident is added to a piled-on narrative around police incompetence. Yes I agree the Police are under pressure, and need to do way way better, but these extra layers of needling are unnecessary.

On the contrary - this type of story highlights how much BS the police have to content with.

You really get the impression these rural communities harbour quite a lot of resentment and suspicion that makes legitimate facts difficult to discern.

Instead of this witness wondering "what might of happened" if the cops did their job. I'd be doing a lot of soul-searching around why none of the three people who knew this important information went to the police. I'd be asking "what might of happened if I got to my feet and walked into a police station to make a statement". I mean, a girl has been murdered here, it's worth more than a McDonalds Drive through level of effort. Mentioning it in passing (literally!) out the window of your car as you drive past a traffic warden is rubbish.

 

[BoysTown]

I mean, a girl has been murdered here, it's worth more than a McDonalds Drive through level of effort. Mentioning it in passing (literally!) out the window of your car as you drive past a traffic warden is rubbish.

Yeah, bit like Ron Chapman taking weeks to report what he saw.

William Tyrrell inquest hears resident saw boy in Spider-Man suit in car on day he vanished - ABC News

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[BreakingNews]

I think we have both been here for a very long time. And we both know that what happened was at the low end of the scale, for what the judges see. Without trivialising or excusing anything.

This sentence is no more and no less than similar first offences.

We all know the pathetic sentences that (for example) pedophiles receive for harming children. Frank Abbott received 16 years for sexually assaulting 3 young children. That equates to a little more than 5 years per child. And he is a repeat offender.

I think some don't have a grasp of the legal perspective of NSW sentencing. (not meaning you, but it is a general impression I get)

imo

Agree, Australia doesn't have the long prison sentences like the USA does. And multiple sentences are usually served concurrently. Someone aged 20 and sentenced for murder can be out before they turn 40.
Re the offence against the child. Magistrates might see much worse, however we should never underestimate the effects this has on the child.

 

[drsleuth]

Not related to the case but how did get those badges and name?

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Is that correct Megnut???

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[drsleuth]

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Is that correct Megnut???

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[drsleuth]

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/new-claim-that-william-tyrrell-person-of-interest-took-that-little-boy-250km-away-from-where-he-went-missing/news-story/ab4d914abf205ae8c5bfde81e5002933

New claim that William Tyrrell person of interest ‘took that little boy’ 250km away from where he went missing​

A second person has come forward about a William Tyrrell person of interest, and police again never followed it up.

June 3, 2025 - 6:03AM


Ms Bulley said she had been working in the Royal Hotel in Kew, a small town a few kilometres from where William was reported missing and where Abbott was often seen around the time.

A regular customer “got talking a bit and he said, ‘Have you seen that bloody Frank Abbott around love?’, said Ms Bulley.

“And I went, ‘Actually, now that you say that, no I haven’t’. He went, ‘No, that’s because the ’s in jail’.

“He said, ‘His brother Bluey told me that he took that little boy to Tamworth the next day’,” Ms Bulley continued. “I rang the police and I told them what he said. They rang me back … and I missed the call and then I rang them back and left a message and nobody ever got back to me.”

Ms Bulley said this conversation took place in late 2014 or early 2015. Abbott was jailed over unrelated child sex charges in April 2015 – seven months after William was reported missing.

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Other evidence before the inquest alleges a close friend of Abbott called Ray Porter claimed to have given “my best mate” and William Tyrrell a lift in his car, driving them 300 kilometres north.

Tamworth is about 250km northwest of Kendall. Other evidence heard at the inquest suggests Abbott did travel to Tamworth along with “a little boy”, although this was not confirmed.

 

[Mauig’ma]

Wendy Hudson , Diamond Beach & it seems Wendy took them, presumably in a car.

William Tyrrell's last happy meal: Footage of boy's final dinner

Never-before-seen photos show William Tyrrell perched on his foster father's shoulders at a highway McDonald's the night before he disappeared.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ms Hudson said she took the family to a nearby beach, in plain clothes, while searchers continued to look for William on September 16.

Imo I would never ever leave the property where my child was missing from. Especially during the search it’s very unusual imo. You’d have to drag me away and I would never stop searching. Moo

 

[Megnut]

Dbm. Wrong thread.

 

[drsleuth]

Imo I would never ever leave the property where my child was missing from. Especially during the search it’s very unusual imo. You’d have to drag me away and I would never stop searching. Moo

Seems no matter what the Foster family did,( hopefully we will never be in their position ) it would never be right in some people's views.

If they searched , people say they were going against police instructions.

If they didn't search, than again people say why weren't they searching etc

I don't find it unusual at all that a police officer would take them away at this time. This was organised by the police, Wendy was in plain clothes from memory. Maybe there was reason that the police wanted them away from the house???

Everyone seems to be an expert on what they would do

 

[SouthAussie]

Imo I would never ever leave the property where my child was missing from. Especially during the search it’s very unusual imo. You’d have to drag me away and I would never stop searching. Moo

I think people have to leave their property while it is being forensically searched.
It likely also gave Wendy Hudson the opportunity to have another informal chat with the foster daughter.

On the 19th September, it was reported that specialist police had been called in. They had formed SFR.

imo

Search for William Tyrrell shifts to place he disappeared

The search for a three-year-old boy who went missing on the New South Wales mid-north coast a week ago has shifted to a road near his grandmother's home where he was last seen.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SouthAussie]

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/new-claim-that-william-tyrrell-person-of-interest-took-that-little-boy-250km-away-from-where-he-went-missing/news-story/ab4d914abf205ae8c5bfde81e5002933

New claim that William Tyrrell person of interest ‘took that little boy’ 250km away from where he went missing​

A second person has come forward about a William Tyrrell person of interest, and police again never followed it up.

June 3, 2025 - 6:03AM


Ms Bulley said she had been working in the Royal Hotel in Kew, a small town a few kilometres from where William was reported missing and where Abbott was often seen around the time.

A regular customer “got talking a bit and he said, ‘Have you seen that bloody Frank Abbott around love?’, said Ms Bulley.

“And I went, ‘Actually, now that you say that, no I haven’t’. He went, ‘No, that’s because the ’s in jail’.

“He said, ‘His brother Bluey told me that he took that little boy to Tamworth the next day’,” Ms Bulley continued. “I rang the police and I told them what he said. They rang me back … and I missed the call and then I rang them back and left a message and nobody ever got back to me.”

Ms Bulley said this conversation took place in late 2014 or early 2015. Abbott was jailed over unrelated child sex charges in April 2015 – seven months after William was reported missing.

snip

Other evidence before the inquest alleges a close friend of Abbott called Ray Porter claimed to have given “my best mate” and William Tyrrell a lift in his car, driving them 300 kilometres north.

Tamworth is about 250km northwest of Kendall. Other evidence heard at the inquest suggests Abbott did travel to Tamworth along with “a little boy”, although this was not confirmed.

"The new alleged witness, Ms Bulley, came forward last week, after we reported this disputed claim."

All of the many local searches, all of the forensics, and William may be somewhere in the Tamworth area.

Where do they even start in searching that area?

 

[drsleuth]

All of the many local searches, all of the forensics, and William may be somewhere in the Tamworth area.

Where do they even start in searching that area?

I still question why so many witnesses were asked about boats & fishing. Was William paced in a body of water somewhere??

A protected witness did say at the inquest, that about 2014/2015 FA went on a trip to Tamworth with his wife where FA was accused of being inappropriate with a " young lady "

 

[JLZ]

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/new-claim-that-william-tyrrell-person-of-interest-took-that-little-boy-250km-away-from-where-he-went-missing/news-story/ab4d914abf205ae8c5bfde81e5002933

New claim that William Tyrrell person of interest ‘took that little boy’ 250km away from where he went missing​

A second person has come forward about a William Tyrrell person of interest, and police again never followed it up.

June 3, 2025 - 6:03AM


Ms Bulley said she had been working in the Royal Hotel in Kew, a small town a few kilometres from where William was reported missing and where Abbott was often seen around the time.

A regular customer “got talking a bit and he said, ‘Have you seen that bloody Frank Abbott around love?’, said Ms Bulley.

“And I went, ‘Actually, now that you say that, no I haven’t’. He went, ‘No, that’s because the ’s in jail’.

“He said, ‘His brother Bluey told me that he took that little boy to Tamworth the next day’,” Ms Bulley continued. “I rang the police and I told them what he said. They rang me back … and I missed the call and then I rang them back and left a message and nobody ever got back to me.”

Ms Bulley said this conversation took place in late 2014 or early 2015. Abbott was jailed over unrelated child sex charges in April 2015 – seven months after William was reported missing.

snip

Other evidence before the inquest alleges a close friend of Abbott called Ray Porter claimed to have given “my best mate” and William Tyrrell a lift in his car, driving them 300 kilometres north.

Tamworth is about 250km northwest of Kendall. Other evidence heard at the inquest suggests Abbott did travel to Tamworth along with “a little boy”, although this was not confirmed.

But also didn't Bluey reckon William's final location was near the big tree in Middle Brother? So if Frank took William to Tamworth he also brought him back? It sounds a bit random--and like Frank spreading rumours about GO.

 

[SouthAussie]

But also didn't Bluey reckon William's final location was near the big tree in Middle Brother? So if Frank took William to Tamworth he also brought him back? It sounds a bit random--and like Frank spreading rumours about GO.

FA did a lot to involve himself in the investigation and muddy the waters. imo

If only they could have pinned down where he was and what he was doing when William disappeared and in the following few days.

 

[FromGermany1]

I still question why so many witnesses were asked about boats & fishing. Was William paced in a body of water somewhere??

A protected witness did say at the inquest, that about 2014/2015 FA went on a trip to Tamworth with his wife where FA was accused of being inappropriate with a " young lady "

He had a wife??? Or the witness had a wife and FA went with her?? Or what?

 

[drsleuth]

He had a wife??? Or the witness had a wife and FA went with her?? Or what?

The witnesses wife

 

[FromGermany1]

The witnesses wife

Thank you, I see.

 

[Chrissy74]

FA did a lot to involve himself in the investigation and muddy the waters. imo

If only they could have pinned down where he was and what he was doing when William disappeared and in the following few days.

From the inquest, we know that FA mentioned a bad smell near Logans Crossing to several people but was hesitant to report it to police, fearing he might be blamed. Perhaps that’s why he told others — hoping someone else would pass it on to the authorities. It almost seems like he wanted the police to know, but didn’t want to implicate himself directly. It makes me wonder: did FA see something that morning? If, for example, FA did witness someone disposing of W’s body, who do you think the NSW Police would be more likely to suspect — the person he saw hiding the body, or the convicted sex offender who witnessed it?
Was the area where he claimed the smell came from ever thoroughly searched? was FA the last witness to give evidence at the final hearing behind closed doors?
And from memory, wasn’t GO one of the last witnesses to given evidence in a closed court at the inquest in 2020? Could GO have seen something that morning and told FA? GO did make a call to the fgm house that morning around 9:10 and spoke with her daughter. Strange that fm doesn’t recall that phone call and conversation.

Australian Broadcasting Corporationhttps://www.abc.net.auWilliam Tyrrell inquest hears person of interest Frank Abbott talked of 'peculiar ...

 

[FromGermany1]

From the inquest, we know that FA mentioned a bad smell near Logans Crossing to several people but was hesitant to report it to police, fearing he might be blamed. Perhaps that’s why he told others — hoping someone else would pass it on to the authorities. It almost seems like he wanted the police to know, but didn’t want to implicate himself directly. It makes me wonder: did FA see something that morning? If, for example, FA did witness someone disposing of W’s body, who do you think the NSW Police would be more likely to suspect — the person he saw hiding the body, or the convicted sex offender who witnessed it?
Was the area where he claimed the smell came from ever thoroughly searched? was FA the last witness to give evidence at the final hearing behind closed doors?
And from memory, wasn’t GO one of the last witnesses to given evidence in a closed court at the inquest in 2020? Could GO have seen something that morning and told FA? GO did make a call to the fgm house that morning around 9:10 and spoke with her daughter. Strange that fm doesn’t recall that phone call and conversation.

Australian Broadcasting Corporationhttps://www.abc.net.auWilliam Tyrrell inquest hears person of interest Frank Abbott talked of 'peculiar ...

bbm
Was that the call, which was to "the other daughter", who wasn't known to be at the home at all? I for my part thought, the other daughter had been picked up at the airport in the evening. I have no idea, if there was a third daughter and was on the phone with GO.

 

[Chrissy74]

bbm
Was that the call, which was to "the other daughter", who wasn't known to be at the home at all? I for my part thought, the other daughter had been picked up at the airport in the evening. I have no idea, if there was a third daughter and was on the phone with GO.

The call from GO to FGM occurred on the morning W went missing. FM had called BS at 9:03 a.m. and left a message. Shortly after, around 9:10 a.m., GO called the FGM home phone and spoke with one of FGM’s daughters. The only daughter present at that time was FM. However, FM does not recall speaking with GO, as she had already informed police in her statements that she was outside with the children at that time. Just minutes after receiving FM’s message, BS attempted to return the call but was unable to get through, as the phone line was engaged.
During her walkthrough, FGM was asked if she had received any phone calls that morning around the time she went outside to join her daughter and grandchildren on the back veranda. She responded emphatically, ‘No, no, no, no, no, no, no.’ Additionally, from FGM’s account during the walkthrough, we know that her other daughter was not at the house the day before W went missing, as FGM provided police with a detailed account of her movements on that Thursday.
Was GO the old man DB mentions in his podcast, who informs police of seeing the fm throw something out of her car or something to that affect?