Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[iiiii's]

Within days of Ws disappearance Police and NSW State Emergency Service crews conducted a more “evidence-based search' in the Middle Brother State Forest area, about five kilometers from where W was last seen.

“Superintendent Paul Fehon said the State Emergency Service's volunteers will walk the forest's trails as they search for part of a vehicle that may have become detached.”

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/...-missing-william-tyrell-

On March 1st, 2015, up to 30 officers spent two days scouring several square kilometres of muddy bushland near Houston Mitchell Drive and Long Point Road in the Queens Lake State Conservation Area. The search involved the Public Order and Riot Squad, the Operational Support Group, and the dog unit. Homicide Superintendent Mick Willing stated the operation was based on fresh information received regarding W’s disappearance and emphasised that the search was NOT connected to BS, who was a person of interest at the time.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-to...r-missing-william-

Search 1) Middle Brother State Forest- did someone see something being thrown from a vehicle? Did someone notice part of a vehicle missing.

Search 2) police searching area near Queens Lake- did police have access to phone records, cell towers, placing someone in and around that location when W disappeared or the days following Ws disappearance.

IMO NSWPF knew very early on what happened to W, and how it happened, but were unsuccessful at finding sufficient evidence.

ALSO

Caroline Overington: "I cannot impress upon you all enough how much you don't know.

"At any point in time, in Australia, there are more than a thousand suppression orders - on stories that you have a right to know.
"Now I am prohibited by law from telling what those suppression orders cover. But just use your instincts for a minute. And when I tell you that there is so much you don't know about the case of WT, the little boy who's missing in New South Wales.

Ws case is “shrouded in secrecy” which has had a profound effect on the investigation and the integrity of the investigation. There’s so much evidence that can’t be discussed on this forum like wether W fell from the balcony or was accidentally hit by a car, what time the ff left and arrived back home, real time of the last photos, fp phone records, Mr Chapman’s sighting of W in the back of a 4WD, green car seen by L but I’ve seen and read the statements and IMO the fp are without a doubt involved in Ws disappearance

Search 1 has always interested me.

Search 2 off Houston Mitchell Drive was in regards to BS being a suspect. There was a statement made by a witness saying he saw BS van come out of the bush in the days following WT's disappearance. That person retracted their statement to police. William Tyrrell 'person of interest' drove past new search site

 

[BoysTown]

Case 322: William Tyrrell (Part 1)

Podcast Episode · Casefile True Crime · 19/07/2025 · 1h 29m

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[iiiii's]

Expert combed through rubbish dump hunting for William Tyrrell's body

An inquest, which began in 2019 but has been beset by protracted delays has now entered its final block of hearings, which will be held this week, and over two weeks just before Christmas .

www.dailymail.co.uk

Water and soil scientist Professor Jon Olley headed the search for ‘cloth or bone’, or any remains of William, in an area where police believe William was dumped, which included a neighbour’s rubbish tip.
He said the rubbish dump ‘was active from the property owner at the time when William went missing’.

The above is an msm link to reference that a part of the big dig site in 2021 was used as a roadside dump by locals in 2014 at the time of the disappearance. From my notes from attending the inquest, this area was cleaned up around 2014/2015, with the garbage being removed and landfill being used in the area. For me it raises questions about availability of forensic evidence by the time the big dig occurred. MOO

 

[BreakingNews]

Expert combed through rubbish dump hunting for William Tyrrell's body

An inquest, which began in 2019 but has been beset by protracted delays has now entered its final block of hearings, which will be held this week, and over two weeks just before Christmas .

www.dailymail.co.uk

Water and soil scientist Professor Jon Olley headed the search for ‘cloth or bone’, or any remains of William, in an area where police believe William was dumped, which included a neighbour’s rubbish tip.
He said the rubbish dump ‘was active from the property owner at the time when William went missing’.

The above is an msm link to reference that a part of the big dig site in 2021 was used as a roadside dump by locals in 2014 at the time of the disappearance. From my notes from attending the inquest, this area was cleaned up around 2014/2015, with the garbage being removed and landfill being used in the area. For me it raises questions about availability of forensic evidence by the time the big dig occurred. MOO

Thanks for this. 2014 until 2021 is a long time for forensic evidence to be very useful. MOO

 

[Raina_the_observer]

A forensic report was in the police brief. Just because we don't know the semantics of the report, the details, doesn't mean there wasn't a forensic look at the photos and camera. Before the Coroner ordered a 2nd look.

It was requested by the legal representative for the biological parents, I believe. I think if the coroner had refused it, it would have lead to a pile of conspiracy theories.
So IMO the second look was just to make sure the biological parents (and Allanah Smith, seeing as she was mentioned) would not have any grounds for complaint.

 

[Detective Willy]

Case 322: William Tyrrell (Part 1)

Podcast Episode · Casefile True Crime · 19/07/2025 · 1h 29m

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I listened to Episode 1 - it sounded factual and without bias, unlike some other William Podcasts. Looking forward to Episode 2 which should be released on the weekend.

 

[BoysTown]

I understand that it's your opinion but have you got a link to that? I have no recollection of anything official being published about the photos since the coroner ordered their examination let alone previous photos in the camera from days before the disappearance...

This was mentioned in Part 2 of the Casefile Pod (I had an early listen)

“The coroner ordered the police to conduct an urgent probe into those unexplained missing minutes. Sifting through the content on the camera, examiners discovered another photo that had been taken 11 days prior to William's disappearance. A television in the background had captured the live broadcast of a morning news program which featured an on-screen clock.

The time displayed was 118 minutes earlier than that shown by the camera's timestamp, proving Angela's assertion that she simply hadn't ever set the camera's inbuilt clock to begin with.”

From Casefile True Crime: Case 322: William Tyrrell (Part 2), 19 Jul 2025

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[iiiii's]

This was mentioned in Part 2 of the Casefile Pod (I had an early listen)

“The coroner ordered the police to conduct an urgent probe into those unexplained missing minutes. Sifting through the content on the camera, examiners discovered another photo that had been taken 11 days prior to William's disappearance. A television in the background had captured the live broadcast of a morning news program which featured an on-screen clock.

The time displayed was 118 minutes earlier than that shown by the camera's timestamp, proving Angela's assertion that she simply hadn't ever set the camera's inbuilt clock to begin with.”

From Casefile True Crime: Case 322: William Tyrrell (Part 2), 19 Jul 2025

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Thanks but I don't really think this podcast is MSM. Although I've heard this anecdote before, I haven't seen it published in any article. Have you noticed the narrator of the podcast is uncredited. I wondered at that and as it went along, I felt strongly that we were listening to an AI narrator, which made me wonder how all the information for this casefile was compiled and I stopped listening as I had already noted a couple of things that were not quite right factually, (can't remember them off the top of my head right now). Maybe we should ask the mods about approved podcasts as well as books to reference this case as anyone can do a podcast it seems. MOO

 

[drsleuth]

Thanks but I don't really think this podcast is MSM. Although I've heard this anecdote before, I haven't seen it published in any article. Have you noticed the narrator of the podcast is uncredited. I wondered at that and as it went along, I felt strongly that we were listening to an AI narrator, which made me wonder how all the information for this casefile was compiled and I stopped listening as I had already noted a couple of things that were not quite right factually, (can't remember them off the top of my head right now). Maybe we should ask the mods about approved podcasts as well as books to reference this case as anyone can do a podcast it seems. MOO

Casefile has been around for a long time. I've been listening to it from the beginning. The host has always been known as anonymous - his choice to ensure the focus of the show remains on the victims and survivors . They don't use AI. It's one of the most ethical podcasts out there IMO

It also consistently is in the Australian top true crime podcast charts.

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[Lemony]

Thanks but I don't really think this podcast is MSM. Although I've heard this anecdote before, I haven't seen it published in any article. Have you noticed the narrator of the podcast is uncredited. I wondered at that and as it went along, I felt strongly that we were listening to an AI narrator, which made me wonder how all the information for this casefile was compiled and I stopped listening as I had already noted a couple of things that were not quite right factually, (can't remember them off the top of my head right now). Maybe we should ask the mods about approved podcasts as well as books to reference this case as anyone can do a podcast it seems. MOO

The Casefile podcast is well regarded. Considered as credible by the AFP, as they have partnered with them in recent times.

Crime Interrupted - Season 1 | Australian Federal Police

www.afp.gov.au

 

[Chrissy74]

This was mentioned in Part 2 of the Casefile Pod (I had an early listen)

“The coroner ordered the police to conduct an urgent probe into those unexplained missing minutes. Sifting through the content on the camera, examiners discovered another photo that had been taken 11 days prior to William's disappearance. A television in the background had captured the live broadcast of a morning news program which featured an on-screen clock.

The time displayed was 118 minutes earlier than that shown by the camera's timestamp, proving Angela's assertion that she simply hadn't ever set the camera's inbuilt clock to begin with.”

From Casefile True Crime: Case 322: William Tyrrell (Part 2), 19 Jul 2025

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The time displayed was 118 minutes earlier than that shown by the camera's timestamp, proving Angela's assertion that she simply hadn't ever set the camera's inbuilt clock to begin with.”

If the time displayed on the Sunrise photo was 118 minutes earlier than the camera’s timestamp, wouldn’t that make the time camera’s timestamp 118 minutes ahead of the actual time and not behind?

 

[Chrissy74]

The time displayed was 118 minutes earlier than that shown by the camera's timestamp, proving Angela's assertion that she simply hadn't ever set the camera's inbuilt clock to begin with.”

If the time displayed on the Sunrise photo was 118 minutes earlier than the camera’s timestamp, wouldn’t that make the time camera’s timestamp 118 minutes ahead of the actual time and not behind?

In other words, the Sunrise photo was 118 minutes EARLIER than the cameras timestamp so
if the cameras timestamp was 7:37am and the Sunrise photo shows a clock that is 118 minutes EARLIER, then the actual time the photo was taken was 5:35am.
Alternatively, if the cameras timestamp was 9:37am and the Sunrise photo shows a clock time that is 118 minutes EARLIER, then the actual time the photo was taken was in fact 7:35am.
This shows that the time difference has nothing to do with Bali/Sydney and everything to do with a manual manipulation of the timestamp as the Sunrise clock time should show a time that is 118 minutes later than the camera’s timestamp NOT earlier (given Sydney is behind 2hrs)

 

[iiiii's]

In other words, the Sunrise photo was 118 minutes EARLIER than the cameras timestamp so
if the cameras timestamp was 7:37am and the Sunrise photo shows a clock that is 118 minutes EARLIER, then the actual time the photo was taken was 5:35am.
Alternatively, if the cameras timestamp was 9:37am and the Sunrise photo shows a clock time that is 118 minutes EARLIER, then the actual time the photo was taken was in fact 7:35am.
This shows that the time difference has nothing to do with Bali/Sydney and everything to do with a manual manipulation of the timestamp as the Sunrise clock time should show a time that is 118 minutes later than the camera’s timestamp NOT earlier (given Sydney is behind 2hrs)

I have only read this information in Ally Chumley's book, Looking for Spiderman, which was not approved on this forum. I contacted her about this most important point when she 1st published and she agreed that it was a major mistake, that she wanted to convey the difference between the time the photo was taken and the time seen on the screen of the TV and conceded that it had not been successfully executed. Where else is this information published by a credible source?!

 

[Chrissy74]

I have only read this information in Ally Chumley's book, Looking for Spiderman, which was not approved on this forum. I contacted her about this most important point when she 1st published and she agreed that it was a major mistake, that she wanted to convey the difference between the time the photo was taken and the time seen on the screen of the TV and conceded that it had not been successfully executed. Where else is this information published by a credible source?!

Casefile podcast part 2. Transcript from the podcast:
“However, during the inquest, a shocking allegation surfaced regarding the photo. Metadata in Angela's digital camera showed that the photo had been taken at 9.37am on Friday, September 12, 2014. However, the brief of evidence revealed that the timestamp had been altered, with the original photo having been taken at 7.39am.

When presented with this evidence, William's foster parents vehemently denied having altered the timestamps in any way. But those critical of the foster family weren't satisfied. If the photo had been taken at 7.39am, they wondered what happened in those unaccounted for 118 minutes between the time the photo was taken and when the timestamp was altered.

Angela's explanation was that she didn't set the clock correctly when she originally purchased the camera. It was a simple enough reason, but the skeptics weren't buying it. Some wondered if the foster family could have been involved in William's disappearance and had altered the timestamp to cover their tracks.

The coroner ordered the police to conduct an urgent probe into those unexplained missing minutes. Sifting through the content on the camera, examiners discovered another photo that had been taken 11 days prior to William's disappearance. A television in the background had captured the live broadcast of a morning news program which featured an on-screen clock.

The time displayed was 118 minutes earlier than that shown by the camera's timestamp,”

As stated by Lemony in the above post
The Casefile podcast is well regarded. Considered as credible by the AFP, as they have partnered with them in recent times.

 

[Chrissy74]

Also from the same podcast part 2:

“But some questions were also raised about other details Angela had provided, including the dark-coloured sedan she claimed to have seen momentarily pull into a neighbour's driveway on the morning William went missing. When first questioned by police, Angela said she didn't get a look at the occupant.

In an interview with Detective Jubalin years later, Angela described the driver as an older gentleman with grey hair. When asked if there was anything in particular that drew her attention to the car or its driver, Angela had responded, If I think about it, he didn't look over. He just kept driving straight ahead.

At the inquest, her story changed significantly. Angela said she got a very clear view of the driver, describing him as a large man who appeared to be aged in his 50s with a thick neck, beer belly, weathered skin and thinning red hair. Angela testified that the two had locked eyes and the man gave her a challenging stare as if to say, I'm watching you.”

From Casefile True Crime: Case 322: William Tyrrell (Part 2), 19 Jul 2025

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And this:

“As for DP, the witness who claimed to have seen BS work van speeding down Ghost Road on the day after William vanished, it was suggested that he made the sighting up with malicious intent. It was known that DP didn't like BS.

At the inquest, DP denied saying he saw BS car near Ghost Road on the day after W went missing. He stated, I didn't say it was BS van. I said it was the same colour as Bill's van.

Furthermore, video footage proved that BS was exactly where he'd always claimed to be that day, at the local footy club celebrating the end of season with a beer. With all this evidence brought to light at the inquest, it was clear that police had targeted the wrong man”

From Casefile True Crime: Case 322: William Tyrrell (Part 2), 19 Jul 2025

Case 322: William Tyrrell (Part 2)

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[Couldbe]

Casefile podcast part 2. Transcript from the podcast:
“However, during the inquest, a shocking allegation surfaced regarding the photo. Metadata in Angela's digital camera showed that the photo had been taken at 9.37am on Friday, September 12, 2014. However, the brief of evidence revealed that the timestamp had been altered, with the original photo having been taken at 7.39am.

When presented with this evidence, William's foster parents vehemently denied having altered the timestamps in any way. But those critical of the foster family weren't satisfied. If the photo had been taken at 7.39am, they wondered what happened in those unaccounted for 118 minutes between the time the photo was taken and when the timestamp was altered.

Angela's explanation was that she didn't set the clock correctly when she originally purchased the camera. It was a simple enough reason, but the skeptics weren't buying it. Some wondered if the foster family could have been involved in William's disappearance and had altered the timestamp to cover their tracks.

The coroner ordered the police to conduct an urgent probe into those unexplained missing minutes. Sifting through the content on the camera, examiners discovered another photo that had been taken 11 days prior to William's disappearance. A television in the background had captured the live broadcast of a morning news program which featured an on-screen clock.

The time displayed was 118 minutes earlier than that shown by the camera's timestamp,”

As stated by Lemony in the above post
The Casefile podcast is well regarded. Considered as credible by the AFP, as they have partnered with them in recent times.

Questions of relevance:-
... Was it used in Bali for taking photos?
... What date did the FM purchase the camera in Bali?
... When did she set the Date in the camera?
... Is it possible to set a Date but not setting a Time at all?
... Why was there any time set in the camera?

 

[Couldbe]

JMO - In regard to the following:-

Listen to William Tyrrell's talking just weeks before he vanished
“They form part of the Network 10 podcast 'Where's William Tyrrell', which was seized last week by the NSW Police strike force investigating the toddler's disappearance.

… “In the first video, recorded on June 26, 2013, on William's second birthday, William can be heard laughing and saying a few, almost distinguishable words. Sitting in a high chair with chocolate smeared over his face, he is being recorded by with his foster father, who said the young boy's personality began to come out early on.

… “In one video recorded just weeks before William vanished, the toddler can be heard speaking with his foster father in Bali on the same holiday the boy was bought the Spider-Man suit he was wearing when he vanished.

… “Police seized the podcast's audio files and documents as they launched a high intensity search of three sites at Kendall on the NSW Mid North Coast where William disappeared in 2014.”

… “Excerpts of the home videos released by police after the
disappearance do not include the full audio of the little boy laughing.”
_______________________________________________________

JMO - I wonder if the Police seized the podcast's audio files and documents because they might have contained potential useful evidence connecting either/or both of the Fosters to potential lies told by them about the Bali purchased camera;
MAYBE the MFC had, on an earlier date on his own camera:
taken those 'proof of life' photos (Which the FM had supplied to Police)
AND AFTER RETURNING FROM BALI, he had then downloaded them onto the FM's camera:-
... THEREBY BRINGING THE METADATA (which showed the numbers to be DSC01103.JPG) from his camera (Which he could have used to record the video of William in Bali).
NB: That metadata seems to indicate those 'proof of life' photos were part of a series of well over a thousand photos taken on that camera!!
_______________________________________________________

JMO - SO, did the Police then work on comparing/correlating the photos and their metadata to record any evidence of the Fosters' potential lies?
Was more pertinent detail revealed in the full videos?

OF COURSE, that doesn't prove the FM's involvement in William's disappearance, but might cause them to have to provide 'explanations' about any possible deceit!!

 

[iiiii's]

Casefile podcast part 2. Transcript from the podcast:
“However, during the inquest, a shocking allegation surfaced regarding the photo. Metadata in Angela's digital camera showed that the photo had been taken at 9.37am on Friday, September 12, 2014. However, the brief of evidence revealed that the timestamp had been altered, with the original photo having been taken at 7.39am.

When presented with this evidence, William's foster parents vehemently denied having altered the timestamps in any way.

RS AND BBM

Again with this podcast... I don't recall it being reported anywhere that the FP's denied altering the timestamps, nor the camera showing the photos were taken at 9.37. My understanding is that the photos had a timestamp of 7.39am and that was not in accord of when the photos were said to have been created. The police it seems came up with a created time apparently based on a few things e.g. the approx. time the FFC said she took the photos, the explanation of the purchase of the camera a couple of months previously in a foreign country and the difference in time zones and the anecdotal information that the police saw a previous picture taken on the same camera prior to the disappearance that showed a 118 minute time difference between the timestamp and a clock displayed on a morning news program, which would have somewhat aligned and explained the time difference. This is a major piece of evidence and there is a major discrepancy with it. I think it should have been heavily, scientifically, digitally scrutinised and a fuller explanation given in the coroner's court by the person who "created" the time of 9.37am.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think it should have been heavily, scientifically, digitally scrutinised and a fuller explanation given in the coroner's court by the person who "created" the time of 9.37am.

How do you know that it hasn't been? Because the public has not been provided with the full details?

It has been stated more than once that the photos have been verified. They are satisfied. SFR is apparently not questioning the photos, the Coroner is not questioning the photos - judging by the questions asked and not-asked at the NSWCC hearing and the inquest.

Several well-regarded journalists reported (after the 2nd examination) that the photos had been verified - we posted the links several times.

imo

 

[iiiii's]

Does anyone know the brand of the camera? It seems strange to me that a manufacturer would set the timestamp in the camera as it could be distributed anywhere in the world, and they would also have to turn them on and add a battery wouldn't they? Also if the camera was manufactured outside of the Bali timezone, it seems very important to find this information out. Also, do features like timestamps rely on batteries? Why would a retailer set the timestamp unless it was a selling feature to demonstrate to the customer. Wouldn't they show you how to change the time, if it was a selling feature? I'm now understanding Couldbe's previous post and I'm interested too.