This report states that the FM didn’t wash the child’s clothes for three months and she was complaining that her husband didn’t help with household chores. As a Foster parent she was being paid to care for the child! It was her job to wash the child’s clothes.
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Now that makes me wonder if counselling was involved.
I know of a couple who had counselling with their similar aged child, due to very problematic behaviour, and the first steps they were all told (the child included) was they should implement having the child assume more responsibilities.
Specifically, the child washing their own clothes was recommended. (Among some other things.)
With all this disfunction, violence, chaos.....
they are applying for and receiving another kid to care for.
Appears like discord is usual and no help is sort to deal with this.... (ahem)totally out of control abnoxious child...
The only reason that this has all been exposed is because strikeforce rosann was surveilling them.
There was no suggestion the 11 year old girl had been instructed to wash her own clothes.
The news broadcast said FM 'admitted to not washing her clothes for 3 months'.
A 10 or 11 year old child washing their own clothes!? I find it very hard to believe that any counsellor would suggest that such a young child wash their own clothes! However, I do remember that when William soiled his pants when at FGM’s house, FF made William change his own pants - at 3 years old!
"Detective Sean Ogilvy was repeatedly asked why he had not handed this incident over to another unit, like the one that investigates child abuse.
He replied that it had not passed the threshold for other units to investigate."
More secret recordings played on third day of Tyrrell foster parents court hearing - ABC News
It would appear that some time had passed (And the assaults and alleged intimidation continued to be unleashed on the young girl) before that threshold was reached ... for other units to investigate, which resulted in the removal of both of the fostered children who would being 'cared' for.
Thus revealing the continued and accumulating evidence we have now heard about in the tapes.
MOO
He replied that it had not passed the threshold for other units to investigate."
More secret recordings played on third day of Tyrrell foster parents court hearing - ABC News
It would appear that some time had passed (And the assaults and alleged intimidation continued to be unleashed on the young girl) before that threshold was reached ... for other units to investigate, which resulted in the removal of both of the fostered children who would being 'cared' for.
Thus revealing the continued and accumulating evidence we have now heard about in the tapes.
MOO
I do understand what you are saying to a point - I am in my late 40s.
It was common for a wooden spoon to be used to discipline children or threats along the lines of you will never beat me I am stronger than you.
But it was still (mostly) controlled discipline and as a last resort.
Smacks were on the bum or back of the legs. Kicking a child or hitting them on the face or head was frowned upon back then as I remember some kids copped that and the gossiping that would go along with it.
These fosters don’t sound like they are just giving some outdated old fashioned discipline, they sound out of control. They are disciplining when they are clearly very angry.
And I’m far from a perfect parent. I’ve sworn at my kids “go to bed for f sake”, “I am sick of your bulldust” But whenever I’ve lost my cool like this I’ve immediately or within seconds or minutes realised I’ve lost control of my emotions, that I’m too angry to deal and I either pass it on to my husband to deal with or taken myself away to cool down.
But this sounds like it went on for more than a few seconds or a few minutes of losing it?
They would know full well their discipline would not be approved of especially as foster parents. They would surely have resources to help them manage.
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I am not lying. Maybe read this MSM article or do a Google search about it.
Yes, 8-year-olds can do laundry! A guide to chores at every age
Chores build character, and kids can start as early as 18 months old.
www.today.com
Has there been any confirmation that the child had behavioural problems aside outside normal child behaviour or is this just being assumed because she is a foster child and foster kids can sometimes have problems or because the fosters have said so?
Ah interesting! Thanks couldbe that’s the sort of thing I was looking for. I wonder exactly what the thresholds are, and I imagine the police pushed that as far as they could in the hope of getting information about William. Whether they did or not remains to be seen.
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"Police Officers of the NSW Police Force are mandatory reporters. In the course of their duties, police officers, if they suspect a child or young person is at imminent risk of significant harm, are required to immediately phone the Child Protection Helpline"
Mandatory reporting - NSW Police Public Site
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It appears the assault of kicking a child, was the younger child ….but it could be the other child…. (ETA)
Taken from the linked article:
William Tyrrell’s former foster parent has been accused of being a bad mother by another child, who a court heard the woman kicked and threatened to slap.
Snip …
In a clash covertly recorded by police in October that year, a loud bang could be heard followed by the youngster screaming in pain.
“She kicked me,” the child was heard yelling.
“You’re a bad mother.”
The child later said they did not want to remain with the couple, leading to a rant from the mother about the youth having a “get-out-of-jail-free card”.
7news.com.au
Taken from the linked article:
William Tyrrell’s former foster parent has been accused of being a bad mother by another child, who a court heard the woman kicked and threatened to slap.
Snip …
In a clash covertly recorded by police in October that year, a loud bang could be heard followed by the youngster screaming in pain.
“She kicked me,” the child was heard yelling.
“You’re a bad mother.”
The child later said they did not want to remain with the couple, leading to a rant from the mother about the youth having a “get-out-of-jail-free card”.
‘Bad mother’: William Tyrrell’s foster parent heard kicking child
The former foster mother of William Tyrrell has been accused of being a bad parent for kicking another child and threatening to slap them across the face.
7news.com.au
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I am not suggesting that you are lying - my comment still stands that I would find it very hard to believe or should I say understand, that any counsellor would suggest that an 11 year old child should wash their own clothes! I would like to know from what theoretical background they are working.I am not lying. Maybe read this MSM article or do a Google search about it.
Yes, 8-year-olds can do laundry! A guide to chores at every age
Chores build character, and kids can start as early as 18 months old.
Agreed again, I heard threats but didn't hear of a face slap incident. We don't know if she cooled down not too long after incidents, this is the police evidence and what they want heard and I am guessing without much context. What we know is that they hadn't reached the threshold for another body to investigate for months and when they were charged FFC was charged with 2 assaults, the kicking which she admitted she had lost it and that she is not coping, there is insight to a degree around what is acceptable and what isn't. There is a lot of the child's reaction to not just the assaults but other measures the FFC came up with and her reactions to this, and conversations with 3rd parties about what she has done, which says to me that she is trying to be accountable somewhere while trying to figure out how manage this struggling child. IDK. I don't believe Ogilvie, I think he stayed on the taps until he got something on tape about WT. And if they did it's obviously not enough for the police to even charge her. I'm really swinging with this case.MOO
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It appears the assault of kicking a child, was the younger child ….
Taken from the linked article:
William Tyrrell’s former foster parent has been accused of being a bad mother by another child, who a court heard the woman kicked and threatened to slap.
Snip …
In a clash covertly recorded by police in October that year, a loud bang could be heard followed by the youngster screaming in pain.
“She kicked me,” the child was heard yelling.
“You’re a bad mother.”
The child later said they did not want to remain with the couple, leading to a rant from the mother about the youth having a “get-out-of-jail-free card”.
‘Bad mother’: William Tyrrell’s foster parent heard kicking child
The former foster mother of William Tyrrell has been accused of being a bad parent for kicking another child and threatening to slap them across the face.
I thought that when I first read it. But when I re-read it, I don't think that is what it means. I think it means she has been accused of being a bad mother by another child who is not William.
This article gives a little more context.
On the recording, a loud thud can be heard before the child cries out and yells: "She kicked me!"
The woman tells the child she did so to prevent the child from kicking another child — which the child admitted they were going to do.
The child then tells the woman: "You're a bad mother."
'You're a bad mother': Court hears more recordings of alleged abuse by Tyrrell foster mother
William Tyrrell's foster mother blamed the pressure of a police investigation for her alleged abuse towards a different child, a court has heard.
amp.abc.net.au
This is terrible. So she had just found out that she was the number 1 POI in WT's disappearance either from a journo or by fronting the NSWCC where they let her know that they think she made WT disappear and then she has lost it and lashed out which is caught on a tap. As unacceptable and wrong as that is, please tell me anyone of you, that you have been in this position. I am wondering if this is being a little like SA suggested in another post, a form of not exactly entrapment, but police massaging the conditions to make things happen. Like the tail wagging the dog. My thoughts only.It appears the assault of kicking a child, was the younger child ….
Taken from the linked article:
William Tyrrell’s former foster parent has been accused of being a bad mother by another child, who a court heard the woman kicked and threatened to slap.
Snip …
In a clash covertly recorded by police in October that year, a loud bang could be heard followed by the youngster screaming in pain.
“She kicked me,” the child was heard yelling.
“You’re a bad mother.”
The child later said they did not want to remain with the couple, leading to a rant from the mother about the youth having a “get-out-of-jail-free card”.
‘Bad mother’: William Tyrrell’s foster parent heard kicking child
The former foster mother of William Tyrrell has been accused of being a bad parent for kicking another child and threatening to slap them across the face.
no
I am only aware of dubious sources....
aka the fosters...the wheres william clan.....fb....etc.
IMO there is no excuse for her lashing out and hitting/ kicking a child in her care. Even if she was under a lot of pressure! These children in her care were Foster children and there are specific rules on how they can be punished by Foster parents. My understanding is that hitting and kicking is not included! The FPs were paid employees. They do not have the same rights as biological parents, and nor should they! Thank goodness, they are no longer caring for children, because if the tapes are anything to go by, they are unsuitable!
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the police could not have known she kicked children.
The police could not have engineered a situation whereupon she could kick a child.
(they didn't prevent it either but that's a different issue)
SHE did that all by herself because it is within her personal code of appropriate conduct.
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