Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard, Kendall (NSW), Sept 2014 #76

[Doesitmakesense]

BBM She wasn’t “seen”, it’s just another “belief” from a source.

“A NSW police source said officers believe an object may have been thrown from the vehicle..”

MOO but I think it would have to be more than just a belief for LE to spend so much in the most recent excavation and search efforts. Their would have to be something more solid to incur such costs IMO

 

[butterstick]

I think that if Charlie's views aligned with the current police theory, there wouldn't be this kind of backlash. It might be "Oh Charlie is great, he nailed it".
Because he disagrees with the current police theory, all of a sudden he has gone down a peg or two in some eyes.

I never totally disagree with you SouthAussie and I always like reading your posts.

But whatever the differences people have in the theories relating to WTs case, the way Bezzina is white-anting the current team is really low.

If he was just another journo: fine, what can ya do. But he's not. He's a decorated ex-law enforcer. He knows his old role adds weight to his voice and can sway people.

He should step back and be more measured and respectful, as he knows nothing of the internal thinking about the case as it currently stands.

It's really abhorrent to be undermining the current efforts for William just because his mate has relevance deprivation syndrome.

 

[Detective Willy]

BBM She wasn’t “seen”, it’s just another “belief” from a source.

“A NSW police source said officers believe an object may have been thrown from the vehicle..”

Lola -in your opinion why do you think she failed to mention the drive to Police, her husband, her mother or in any interview that I have seen or heard? Also not mentioned in 000 call?

I’m also wondering why she subsequently talks so glowingly about William but had told FAC’s that she was not coping with him. He allegedly bit her and I generally get the impression he did not have a bond with FM.

It would be really good if we had all of the information - the inconsistencies are what make FM so suspicious.

The Police have all of the information and they suspect her and nobody else?

 

[Couldbe]

Focusing on “THE DRIVE” that FM took in her mothers car shortly after William went missing (Yes the drive she did not tell Police about).

1. FM was seen to be throwing something out the window of the vehicle.

This is why police so heavily searched the area she was seen to be throwing something from the car from and then impounded the car to be tested again.

If I walk as briskly as I can it takes around 10 minutes to walk a kilometre. This is the approximate distance the car was seen from FGM house. Does FM truly think a 3 year old boy who does not know the area would randomly go this far in such a short amount of time??

Why does FM make no mention of the drive in the 000 call. Why does she make no mention of the drive to FF when he arrives home (“William was just here 5 minutes ago”. Why does FGM make no mention of the drive?

THE DRIVE heavily fails the BS test IMO.

The FM has clearly and repeatedly said William is not a wanderer. Why drive 1km away randomly to look for him if he is not a wanderer?

I’m calling BS and it’s not Mr Spedding.

William Tyrrell car seized by cops was 'driven by foster mother'

A grey Mazda which once belonged to William's late foster grandmother was allegedly used by his foster mother near the spot on the NSW mid north coast where the toddler disappeared.

www.dailymail.co.uk

JMO - Also the FM didn't take her mobile phone ... did she not take it on purpose ... to avoid herself being tracked; however, she told about her drive in the Mazda later because she believed her drive had been witnessed by someone!

(Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52): BBM/underlined

"10:30-10:56 : FFC ran to AMS’s house, asked if saw little boy in spiderman suit? , AMS said no, suggested bus stop on Crn Benaroon Drive & Batar Creek Rd, FFC ran to bus stop , heard the “scream” , ran back to # 48 Benaroon Drive, got in FGM car & drove looking for WT, drove down Batar Ck Rd, thought he could not have gotten that far, went back to FGM house, ran inside & got her mobile phone, saw message from MFC, she ran out to driveway , just as MFC drove in & asked him “ Have you got William?” “ No , why would I have William?” . I can’t find him the FFC said. MFC took off frantically looking for William.

 

[nightrider17]

Is there a thread that discusses the 3 minute (eta:down the road) stop after the McDonald’s?

Burtrito, you have mentioned this a couple of times - is there some relevance to you that occurred at this stop? Not trying to cause you a problem - just interested in your line of thinking? MOO

 

[Megnut]

On another thread I was introduced to the concept of the presplain -- a volunteered explanation in the absence of any question.

The recent release from Wm's birth mother struck a chord.... something about Wm not being dressed warmly enough.

Hang with me a second. I've heard mental illness described this way: most of us have the tendencies, by one degree or another, it's just that for some people, it's to such a degree they can't function successfully. I raise this because I think we might be seeing shades of narcissism as well as perfectionism. And again, colloquially, those are characteristics many people exhibit in small degree while navigating life just fine. But here, here there seemed to be a real contest about who was the better mother....

And to what lengths might the foster mother have been willing to go to HIDE a "situation" which would expose her to the judgment of others, as Not A Good Mom, especially critical if she happened to need to be seen as the perfect, the ultimate mother?

Remember the battle over dressing, Wm insisting on the Spiderman costume.... recall the foster mother volunteering that he fought her so she let him, but that he needed to wear the singlet. A curious detail to recall. But IMO it reveals A LOT about how she saw herself and what was front and center for her -- a pre-emptive strike front and center -- perfect mom, she made sure he was dressed warmly.

Maybe I belabor an innocent point, but I just can't think of a single reason why she'd supply that detail unless the perennial question were already lodged in her craw -- why was Wm underdressed when he was running around outside on a brisk morning? Headed off at the pass -- in a good mother, I dress him warm enough.

FWIW I think the foster mother fudged the clock-- leading the foster gma, the foster father and the foster daughter to think Wm had suddenly disappeared no more than 4 minutes prior.... when in fact, she herself disappeared unnoticed for five, ten, twenty minutes or more --

Before she could sell her narrative to LE, she had to hoodwink three people.... and I think she did it by circling the patio, doubling up on tea, disarming at the foster father by throwing the first punch -- start asking HIM questions -- to block him from asking any of her.

The best defense is a strong offense.

jmo

 

[nightrider17]

You have to also remember the Bio Mum lost 2 children to care.

One went missing.

The other one possibly is being hit on the head with a wooden spoon. I am sure if she was deemed not suitable to raise them she's got some issues about whether her daughter is also experiencing some trauma. MOO

 

[nightrider17]

Also "Megnut" - on the clothing - the FFC was the one to pack items of clothing for the children. When the MFC said at the last minute book the cats into the cattery and pack to leave and pick up the children from childcare.

What I am saying is she packed that Spiderman outfit and t-shirt. I guess she knew he would like to wear it. Maybe it's his favourite outfit. But still he can't wear it - if she didn't bring it. MOO

 

[nightrider17]

Also - if W wasn't already wearing the Spiderman outfit at the childcare centre when they picked them up.

Then he can wear other clothes. Other more warm clothes.

Is this relevant - maybe not - but it would mean it's possible that he wasn't wearing the Spiderman outfit so did he really need to have it brought for him?? MOO

 

[bearbear]

just thinking, if fm is guilty of harming and or hiding william, does she have a personality disorder which makes lying easy for her? people wonder how she could potentially be lying all these years, but certain personality disorders make lying easy, especially big lies, they believe it as their truth and will never admit it, they are very convincing and have no empathy, they always have to be in control and maintain their image of perfection, im not accusing but i do wonder

 

[FromGermany1]

On another thread I was introduced to the concept of the presplain -- a volunteered explanation in the absence of any question.

The recent release from Wm's birth mother struck a chord.... something about Wm not being dressed warmly enough.

Hang with me a second. I've heard mental illness described this way: most of us have the tendencies, by one degree or another, it's just that for some people, it's to such a degree they can't function successfully. I raise this because I think we might be seeing shades of narcissism as well as perfectionism. And again, colloquially, those are characteristics many people exhibit in small degree while navigating life just fine. But here, here there seemed to be a real contest about who was the better mother....

And to what lengths might the foster mother have been willing to go to HIDE a "situation" which would expose her to the judgment of others, as Not A Good Mom, especially critical if she happened to need to be seen as the perfect, the ultimate mother?

Remember the battle over dressing, Wm insisting on the Spiderman costume.... recall the foster mother volunteering that he fought her so she let him, but that he needed to wear the singlet. A curious detail to recall. But IMO it reveals A LOT about how she saw herself and what was front and center for her -- a pre-emptive strike front and center -- perfect mom, she made sure he was dressed warmly.

Maybe I belabor an innocent point, but I just can't think of a single reason why she'd supply that detail unless the perennial question were already lodged in her craw -- why was Wm underdressed when he was running around outside on a brisk morning? Headed off at the pass -- in a good mother, I dress him warm enough.

FWIW I think the foster mother fudged the clock-- leading the foster gma, the foster father and the foster daughter to think Wm had suddenly disappeared no more than 4 minutes prior.... when in fact, she herself disappeared unnoticed for five, ten, twenty minutes or more --

Before she could sell her narrative to LE, she had to hoodwink three people.... and I think she did it by circling the patio, doubling up on tea, disarming at the foster father by throwing the first punch -- start asking HIM questions -- to block him from asking any of her.

The best defense is a strong offense.

jmo for

Actually, I can't think of a reason, why I should pack a spiderman suit for my 3yo, when I'm overhasty going to visit my mother for a weekend. Bicycles and helmets - okay, that makes sense to keep the kids busy within a protected environment of a village. But a costume?
Whether little W wanted to wear the costume or the FFC wanted to wear him the suit, remains questionable meanwhile. She isn't always telling the truth, so the "story" of dressing little W for the day may have been thought up as well, who knows.
A red and blue suit would also have been useful as an identifier. IMO + MOO

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Actually, I can't think of a reason, why I should pack a spiderman suit for my 3yo, when I'm overhasty going to visit my mother for a weekend. Bicycles and helmets - okay, that makes sense to keep the kids busy within a protected environment of a village. But a costume?
Whether little W wanted to wear the costume or the FFC wanted to wear him the suit, remains questionable meanwhile. She isn't always telling the truth, so the "story" of dressing little W for the day may have been thought up as well, who knows.
A red and blue suit would also have been useful as an identifier. IMO + MOO

He might have habitually wore it, when I was growing up one of our parents friends kids wore a superman cape sometimes with matching pants and the top, sometimes not, for most of his pre-school years.

 

[Couldbe]

just thinking, if fm is guilty of harming and or hiding william, does she have a personality disorder which makes lying easy for her? people wonder how she could potentially be lying all these years, but certain personality disorders make lying easy, especially big lies, they believe it as their truth and will never admit it, they are very convincing and have no empathy, they always have to be in control and maintain their image of perfection, im not accusing but i do wonder

We hear about people with that lying personality disorder from time; and some of us even know a person who displays that personality disorder.

In such cases, there are those who are able to detect when the lying is occurring ... and on the other hand, other people haven't a clue that the lying is going on.

As has been said:
“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”
― Abraham Lincoln

 

[JBowie]

He might have habitually wore it, when I was growing up one of our parents friends kids wore a superman cape sometimes with matching pants and the top, sometimes not, for most of his pre-school years.

• Spider-Man is a new discovery for him and he loves his Spider-Man gum boots, gloves and his costume, but William is about fire engines BIG time. Fireman Sam is his absolute favourite followed by Paw Patrol.

• William loves to play with his Spider-Man toys, his Spider-Man car, fire engines, building Fireman Sam’s fire station, toy cars and toy motor bikes.

About William

www.whereswilliam.org

 

[JBowie]

We hear about people with that lying personality disorder from time; and some of us even know a person who displays that personality disorder.

In such cases, there are those who are able to detect when the lying is occurring ... and on the other hand, other people haven't a clue that the lying is going on.

Although not admissible in a court of law (but regularly used by the FBI and CIA to screen their staff), the FM could have volunteered to take a professionally-administered lie detector test.

In her position, accused of something that I am innocent of, I sure would have!

 

[SouthAussie]

Lola -in your opinion why do you think she failed to mention the drive to Police, her husband, her mother or in any interview that I have seen or heard? Also not mentioned in 000 call?

I’m also wondering why she subsequently talks so glowingly about William but had told FAC’s that she was not coping with him. He allegedly bit her and I generally get the impression he did not have a bond with FM.

It would be really good if we had all of the information - the inconsistencies are what make FM so suspicious.

The Police have all of the information and they suspect her and nobody else?

William was biting children at childcare also. I would say that can likely be evidenced via the childcare centre, if it is put out there as public knowledge. It is mentioned in the recent "new baby" article by the DM. Link

I remember, too, in an old article there was mention of his sister hiding beneath a table because William was being aggressive toward her.

Mind you, out of all the little kids that I have known, I have known two little boys who each went through a biting stage. One in a big loving Greek family, and another in a big loving Italian family. Biting stages are not the most pleasant thing, but they happen here and there.

imo

 

[Couldbe]

• Spider-Man is a new discovery for him and he loves his Spider-Man gum boots, gloves and his costume, but William is about fire engines BIG time. Fireman Sam is his absolute favourite followed by Paw Patrol.

• William loves to play with his Spider-Man toys, his Spider-Man car, fire engines, building Fireman Sam’s fire station, toy cars and toy motor bikes.

About William

www.whereswilliam.org

I wonder if there were any photos/videos of William riding his bike that morning, and if he was wearing his Spiderman outfit then.
He had apparently received his bike for his birthday (on 12 June ..... approx 3 months prior).
I wonder if the children were familiar with riding down/up the driveway ... from a previous visit.

 

[Burtrito]

My mind gets snagged on certain things. As a parent who travels a similar amount of time to my in-laws I found it interesting to have two stops so close together. Car rides with small children can be intense. I just wonder if there’s any thread that discussed the second stop. Where it was, if anyone knew anymore about it etc…

Burtrito, you have mentioned this a couple of times - is there some relevance to you that occurred at this stop? Not trying to cause you a problem - just interested in your line of thinking

 

[SouthAussie]

My mind gets snagged on certain things. As a parent who travels a similar amount of time to my in-laws I found it interesting to have two stops so close together. Car rides with small children can be intense. I just wonder if there’s any thread that discussed the second stop. Where it was, if anyone knew anymore about it etc…

There is discussion of it. Probably more than once. It is just that when I search on the word McDonalds about 8,000,000,000 entries come up. And I can't find it after a fairly quick scroll. Just so you know that I saw your posts and have looked.

They had forgotten to put pull-ups on the kids when they left Maccas. So they pulled over (from memory, fairly soon, maybe just a couple of kms away) and put them on, as they knew the kids would fall asleep.
Possibly thinking they would have to transfer sleeping children from the car to beds, as is common. imo

I think the spot was identified someplace back there, or there was decent speculation about where it was. IIRC

 

[nightrider17]

I think the second stop was due to having to put on the pull-up which may have been missed earlier. So that there was no need to stop for future toilet stops. I guess it's a long time between and maybe had recently drunk fluid at Macca's and this might mean needing to go to the loo a bit further in the trip. Seems feasible that this would be necessary to avoid any mishaps. MOO