Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard, Kendall (NSW), Sept 2014 #76

[sleepinoz]

Were both William and his sister under Permanent Care Orders with the Dept of Child Services??? IIRC William’s sister was???

If so, there is no reversing those orders until the child turns 18 ….

Children can go different foster carers in that time, but they can never go back to their biological family, no matter how much they would like that …

That is my understanding of the QLD legislation .. and I assume Permanent Care Orders would be the same in NSW…

JMO

Yes they were. It's the same in NSW.

ETA: The transcript of this being said in Case Law, has been posted many times.

 

[k-mac]

Sooo, I won't mention all the bio mothers that have killed their OWN children. Is that OK? Many Mothers Bio or otherwise can't handle 'their children'.

But there is a limit to everyone's mental ability, IMO.

Things seem fine, then you suddenly have a pre-teen - are you prepared for this? I don't think any course on earth can prepare you for that - every pre-teen is different.

Mental health is problematic. We don't have the services available to recognise how much of this is in our community.

If FACS (or whoever they call themselves these days) had the right people in the right places, it would have been noticed. IMO.

I'm not excusing anyone for their behaviour, Adult or Child. But more mental health services are very much in need.

right
I agree totally

BUT the elephant in the room.....

IMO a mentally unstable person, who was at ground zero, is justifiably suspect #1 in the disappearance of William.

For all the reasons you state above plus bucket loads more.

It doesn't matter ( its the old look there not here!!!) what my or yours or her breaking point is ,was, could be....

there is no pass for assaulting a child. SUSTAINED assaults....ongoing verbal outbursts and insults.


and (speculating) likely child abuse resulting in death.

She did not see herself as the problem.
Or she wouldn't have signed up for another child.
She was fine with the status quo of chaos and violence.
Nothing to see here.......
until the girl escaped her clutches....
via the unexpected police tapings.....

 

[FromGermany1]

“Look at me. I am stronger, I’ve done this before, I’ll keep doing this again. I will outlast you. You keep pushing me [child], I will go harder … your choice.”

The distressing audio tape has the foster mother, known only as SD, telling the girl to go and get the wooden spoon, followed by a crack when the girl is hit.

I would call that pure chicanery. And mostly two (adults) vs. one (11yo child), since the FCs agree so much in their "educational" methods. MOO

 

[Burtrito]

7 News …

Who is the third person that has their identity protected?

 

[SLouTh]

Does anyone know how often these meetings take place? Or if they do?

They are supposed to happen …. Regularly thru the child’s life…. (In theory) However in reality the visits by the case worker drop off to sometimes almost non existent, as more and more children enter the system and need the initial early support …. And they consider the child placed ….


They are overworked and massively under resourced
and more and more demand for services …. A lot like Mental Health as you have suggested …..It doesn’t make it right, but sadly it is the way it is …

Everything in theory is good!!! but it doesn’t make it happen…

IMO

 

[sleepinoz]

right
I agree totally

BUT the elephant in the room.....

IMO a mentally unstable person, who was at ground zero, is justifiably suspect #1 in the disappearance of William.

For all the reasons you state above plus bucket loads more.

It doesn't matter ( its the old look there not here!!!) what my or yours or her breaking point is ,was, could be....

there is no pass for assaulting a child. SUSTAINED assaults....ongoing verbal outbursts and insults.


and (speculating) likely child abuse resulting in death.

She did not see herself as the problem.
Or she wouldn't have signed up for another child.
She was fine with the status quo of chaos and violence.
Nothing to see here.......
until the girl escaped her clutches....
via the unexpected police tapings.....

Look, I agree with most of what you say - but - was she in the same state when William vanished? We will never know.

What that family has been through in the past 9+ years would most certainly effected their mental well being. No excuses being given here, but we just don't know. I'm just not willing to say that she was in the same frame of mind. IYKWIM.

 

[k-mac]

The media will never be able to provide context about what happened. Because they will never be able to speak of what led up to the two assaults. As they involve a child.

But the police can shoulder some of the blame here. They left the child for many months in circumstances for which they (much) later laid charges. The child and the FP could have avoided everything they have been charged with, except the first incident.

Without it there would be no evidence and possibly the child would never have gotten an out.

I think we should be grateful for the lengths the police have gone to for william...and his sister.

Above and beyond to get to the heart of some very cunning manipulative intelligent folks.
Excellent police work from NSW. IMO.

 

[SLouTh]

Yes they were. It's the same in NSW.

ETA: The transcript of this being said in Case Law, has been posted many times.

Thanks Sleep I thought so …. I just didn’t want to state something incorrect …

I was trying to explain that just because a biological family may want their children back …. If the child is under a permanent care order with the department, it is not going to happen…..full stop.

 

[k-mac]

Look, I agree with most of what you say - but - was she in the same state when William vanished? We will never know.

What that family has been through in the past 9+ years would most certainly effected their mental well being. No excuses being given here, but we just don't know. I'm just not willing to say that she was in the same frame of mind. IYKWIM.

yes I know what you mean.

But for me, FMs desperation for Williams love and her lack of control with his 'behavioural' issues I don't think can be overlooked the seriousness of the situation.

 

[sleepinoz]

Who is the third person that has their identity protected?

Do you mean who was the third person blocked out?

 

[sleepinoz]

.

They are supposed to happen …. Regularly thru the child’s life…. (In theory) However in reality the visits by the case worker drop off to sometimes almost non existent, as more and more children enter the system and need the initial early support …. And they consider the child placed ….


They are overworked and massively under resourced
and more and more demand for services …. A lot like Mental Health as you have suggested …..It doesn’t make it right, but sadly it is the way it is …

Everything in theory is good!!! but it doesn’t make it happen…

IMO

I agree, but even though they are overworked and massively under resourced, it doesn't make it right for the child.
I hate to say this, but if the child wasn't in care in the first place.......................well you know what I mean.

 

[SLouTh]

it doesn't make it right for the child.

No it doesn’t …

 

[SLouTh]

But for me, FMs desperation for Williams love and her lack of control with his 'behavioural' issues I don't think can be overlooked the seriousness of the situation.

In all honesty, I think that is what Police are trying to prove with this current case ….

JMO

 

[FromGermany1]

When little sister was still at home with her bio parents, she (to FACS) seemed to be in the wrong environment, because the parents fought with each other. (I never read, that the child was harmed.) Therefore little sister unfortunately became a foster child and had to leave the unhealthy environment for another, just as unhealthy, environment. Tragic. MOO

 

[kiwi50]

Curious to know if the birthparents are at the Court.

 

[Burtrito]

Do you mean who was the third person blocked out?

Yes, I was curious who that might be.

 

[Detective Willy]

Some very damming evidence is not being contested and has been plead guilty to.

Quite serious and long term child abuse yet some people play it down or turn a blind eye.

Why????

 

[SLouTh]

Some very damming evidence is not being contested and has been plead guilty to.

Quite serious and long term child abuse yet some people play it down or turn a blind eye.

Why????

What has been described is quite shocking! Are people turning a blind eye or rather, just taking time to digest the full impact of what we have heard???
And to understand the ramifications?


Tonight I keep thinking of that mantra: “Past behaviour is a predictor of future behaviour” …..

JMO

 

[Megnut]

What has been described is quite shocking! Are people turning a blind eye or rather, just taking time to digest the full impact of what we have heard???
And to understand the ramifications?


Tonight I keep thinking of that mantra: “Past behaviour is a predictor of future behaviour” …..

JMO

And current behavior might indicate past behavior.

 

[SouthAussie]

What has been described is quite shocking! Are people turning a blind eye or rather, just taking time to digest the full impact of what we have heard???
And to understand the ramifications?

For me, I am disturbed that the NSW police would use a pre-teen to further their case. By keeping the child in a situation where the child would be deemed at risk.

If they think this won't have negative ramifications on this child's life in the future, I think they are mistaken.

The FM broke the law by striking a foster child. The police knew that law had been broken, yet left the child in the situation and the law was broken again.

Will this further William's case, or will the Coroners (or other) Court see this as a set-up/entrapment?

As I said before, other than the first charge, the police could have avoided the rest of the behaviour that was charged - and spared the child. There should have been one charge, and then removal of the child. imo