Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard, Kendall (NSW), Sept 2014 #76

[iiiii's]

I also recall that William wanted his sister to play tigers with him but she refused because he expected her to be the baby tiger.

Perhaps it was in an audio?

I think MFC refers to this in the walkthrough, that WT wanted to play something and L didn't wan't a bar of it.

 

[bearbear]

The interviews with William's foster family reveal troubling details about the three-year-old's short life.

They include an accident where William fell off a stool and couldn't get up, how he was made to change his own dirty nappy on the day he vanished and queries about the foster father mysteriously deleting six weeks of texts with his wife.

William's foster mother admitted that initially William 'had personal issues .... particularly towards me'.

'We had to deal (with) things such as William hitting me, biting me and him being basically furious' with another child in the foster parents' house.

'(William was) very unsettled, particularly the time immediately following contact with (his) birth parents. The unsettled behaviour after visits would last months.'

William Tyrrell foster father quizzed over mystery phone

William Tyrrell's foster father was interrogated about a mystery phone registered in his name which was disconnected just three days before his foster son vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JLZ]

I think MFC refers to this in the walkthrough, that WT wanted to play something and L didn't wan't a bar of it.

It would be odd if he was talking about playing tigers because William's game was during MFC's absence.

 

[iiiii's]

It would be odd if he was talking about playing tigers because William's game was during MFC's absence.

My mistake, it wasn't in the walk through, it was in an MFC interview on 14/9/14

 

[k-mac]

The interviews with William's foster family reveal troubling details about the three-year-old's short life.

They include an accident where William fell off a stool and couldn't get up, how he was made to change his own dirty nappy on the day he vanished and queries about the foster father mysteriously deleting six weeks of texts with his wife.

William's foster mother admitted that initially William 'had personal issues .... particularly towards me'.

'We had to deal (with) things such as William hitting me, biting me and him being basically furious' with another child in the foster parents' house.

'(William was) very unsettled, particularly the time immediately following contact with (his) birth parents. The unsettled behaviour after visits would last months.'

William Tyrrell foster father quizzed over mystery phone

William Tyrrell's foster father was interrogated about a mystery phone registered in his name which was disconnected just three days before his foster son vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk

William's foster mother admitted that initially William 'had personal issues .... particularly towards me'.

'We had to deal (with) things such as William hitting me, biting me and him being basically furious' with another child in the foster parents' house.


Sadly here is the pattern.

This current abuse is not a new perspective or situation for FM.
It is a reoccurring theme clearly.

Always the child's fault too.

Poor little William. xx

 

[JLZ]

Yes, he seems to repeat things that I guess he was told, such as, "he was wearing his bright clothes." I don't think he was there when Wt was changed into his spiderman clothes. The walk through is about 6 days after the disappearance where I believe he has been told what was happening and has incorporated this into his walkthrough or maybe he had some 1st hand experience of the situation at the time?

He said he saw the children as he was leaving--do you think they weren't dressed until after breakfast? That would be an extra thing to fit into the timeline.

 

[LolaAngelina]

The foster father is also questioned about apparently deleted text messages on his phone for more than than six weeks preceding William's disappearance.

'It's noticed that during the period of (June 19 to August 3, 2014) there are no SMS messages contained in your SMS log. Why would you delete that?,' Jubelin asks.

'Is it a practice for you to delete SMS messages?'

William Tyrrell foster father quizzed over mystery phone

William Tyrrell's foster father was interrogated about a mystery phone registered in his name which was disconnected just three days before his foster son vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thanks! So before he went missing. Likely not even anything about William

 

[Couldbe]

Because she would have been nervous about doing the walkthrough with Detective Partridge, the FM may have given her the heads up on certain points that she wanted FGM to say and have her emphasize.



I am posing a couple of questions in regard to what FGM has said in her walkthrough:-

Inside house where William Tyrrell spent his final hours

“After remaining seated 'for some time, then I didn’t hear from her, I got up and followed them down.”'
Question: …. Who is she referring to? … ‘followed them down’.

"I do remember feeling he’s been taken. That was my first thought, he’s been taken … because knowing the little boy ... he’s not the type to wander.'"
Question: …. Was she just basing this on his earlier non-wandering while visiting? …. Or had she been told to say that?

'How he (the foster father) knew at that stage, I’m not … she would have told him, she would have phoned him, he was just distraught.'
Question: Was she aware that the FM had told her that she was going to phone FF to inform him about William’s disappearance?
Or FGM may have heard FM on the phone to FF.

MOO

 

[iiiii's]

He said he saw the children as he was leaving--do you think they weren't dressed until after breakfast? That would be an extra thing to fit into the timeline.

No I've made a mistake. I've read an interview with MFC on 14/9/14. He says WT was wearing the suit before he left for the meeting. I've edited my last post to ammend the changes

 

[JLZ]

Thanks! So before he went missing. Likely not even anything about William

I think it's just police speculation that the texts ever existed. They would have expected communications, didn't find them, thought maybe there were some and they were deleted and maybe that was for a guilty reason. 'Let's ask him, see how he reacts.' His reaction, in my reading, was unconcerned. He didn't care if they thought there had been texts in that period, and he didn't overexplain his deletion practices.

 

[JLZ]

Because she would have been nervous about doing the walkthrough with Detective Partridge, the FM may have given her the heads up on certain points that she wanted FGM to say and have her emphasize.



I am posing a couple of questions in regard to what FGM has said in her walkthrough:-

Inside house where William Tyrrell spent his final hours

“After remaining seated 'for some time, then I didn’t hear from her, I got up and followed them down.”'
Question: …. Who is she referring to? … ‘followed them down’.

"I do remember feeling he’s been taken. That was my first thought, he’s been taken … because knowing the little boy ... he’s not the type to wander.'"
Question: …. Was she just basing this on his earlier non-wandering while visiting? …. Or had she been told to say that?

'How he (the foster father) knew at that stage, I’m not … she would have told him, she would have phoned him, he was just distraught.'
Question: Was she aware that the FM had told her that she was going to phone FF to inform him about William’s disappearance?
Or FGM may have heard FM on the phone to FF.

MOO

I think she confabulates. She remembers here and there, and makes up what 'must have' gone between, often without realizing it.

 

[sleepinoz]

Thanks! So before he went missing. Likely not even anything about William

Could this have been when they had their trip to Bali? Does anyone know when that was?

 

[JLZ]

Could this have been when they had their trip to Bali? Does anyone know when that was?

In late July to early August, 2014, the foster parents took William on a holiday to Bali.

Listen to William Tyrrell's talking just weeks before he vanished

William Tyrrell can be heard giggling and speaking a few words in videos made by his foster father in Sydney and Bali from when he was two years old.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Couldbe]

I think it's just police speculation that the texts ever existed. They would have expected communications, didn't find them, thought maybe there were some and they were deleted and maybe that was for a guilty reason. 'Let's ask him, see how he reacts.' His reaction, in my reading, was unconcerned. He didn't care if they thought there had been texts in that period, and he didn't overexplain his deletion practices.

I can't find the link, but I remember FF said he usually sends 'home in 5' texts in order for the children to be outside to greet him home.

It would be expected that at least some of those texts would be on FM/FF mobile phone. I wonder if they were ever checked out by Rosann ......
MOO

 

[Lemony]

A woman who removed a child from William Tyrrell's former foster parents' care says the crying child was told it was not their fault as they hugged their foster mother goodbye.

"I've done something I shouldn't have done," the foster mother told the child, according to the woman who served the paperwork.

Tears as child taken from Tyrrell foster mum's care

Missing toddler William Tyrrell's former foster mother told a child being removed from her care that it wasn't the youngster's fault, a court has heard.

www.perthnow.com.au

 

[LolaAngelina]

I can't find the link, but I remember FF said he usually sends 'home in 5' texts in order for the children to be outside to greet him home.

It would be expected that at least some of those texts would be on FM/FF mobile phone. I wonder if they were ever checked out by Rosann ......
MOO

It’s been almost 9 years, of course they would have all communications. The deleted texts were August anyway, so have nothing to do with the day he went missing

 

[LolaAngelina]

A woman who removed a child from William Tyrrell's former foster parents' care says the crying child was told it was not their fault as they hugged their foster mother goodbye.

"I've done something I shouldn't have done," the foster mother told the child, according to the woman who served the paperwork.

Tears as child taken from Tyrrell foster mum's care

Missing toddler William Tyrrell's former foster mother told a child being removed from her care that it wasn't the youngster's fault, a court has heard.

www.perthnow.com.au

That’s just heartbreaking

 

[Couldbe]

It’s been almost 9 years, of course they would have all communications. The deleted texts were August anyway, so have nothing to do with the day he went missing

I was referring to the 'home in 5' texts' that the FF had said he was in the habit of sending to FM .... before that fateful day when he sent the text to the FM at 10.30am.

It might have been useful to check for those texts very early in the investigation.

 

[Detective Willy]

Apparently, the DM considers unsettled behaviour to be ... (as this immediately followed their own comment about unsettled behaviour).


She said William 'was full of life, full of energy, bouncing out of his skull with happiness and just joy of living'.

'And that's the last I saw of him. As I was sitting there, that’s when he went around … that’s my last memory of William, going around the corner.'

(from your link)

I have never heard anyone say that a 3 year old was "bouncing out of his skull". This is such an odd statement to make IMO.

"Happiness and just joy of living" is also so weird.

Saying that a 3 year old had just joy of living possibly minutes before he was killed, it sounds like she knew that he was no longer living?

IMO she often goes way over the top in trying to explain how happy William was. There are so many other articles that contradict her and indicate a troubled relationship between William and FM.

 

[LolaAngelina]

I was referring to the 'home in 5' texts' that the FF had said he was in the habit of sending to FM .... before that fateful day when he sent the text to the FM at 10.30am.

Yes and my answer is still the same.