Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard, Kendall (NSW), Sept 2014 #76

[k-mac]

I understand foster parents have to take some preliminary training.

Is there any training for foster children--perhaps from the time they're school age--to teach them about their rights and what to do if they think their foster parents are abusing them? Is there anything they can do, without making things worse for themselves? I do not believe police would have helped William's sister if they had not had their own agenda.

From SLouth post #950 below

McMahon said he went to the foster parents’ house in 2012 for a home visit and discovered the mother was using an “exclusionary time out” for a two-year-old child in her care, which involved placing them outside. He said this method was not endorsed by the department"

Adam McMahon, a foster care support worker with the Department of Communities and Justice.
He said this method was not endorsed by the department"

He witnessed something that set off his hinky metre but said and did nothing.

EDITED TO ADD...I realise JLZ this isn't actually answering your question.
But it connects with these kids are on their own.

 

[Thebottomline]

Maybe Foster daughter has threatened to tell what really happened that day . Would be cause for foster parents cruelty and intimidation…..or perhaps she already has

 

[k-mac]

Maybe Foster daughter has threatened to tell what really happened that day . Would be cause for foster parents cruelty and intimidation

I think she is a very cruel person from her pattern behaviour and likely why William vanished. MOO

But it is possible she had upped the anti with ongoing pressure from the walls closing in.

 

[SouthAussie]

I understand foster parents have to take some preliminary training.

Is there any training for foster children--perhaps from the time they're school age--to teach them about their rights and what to do if they think their foster parents are abusing them? Is there anything they can do, without making things worse for themselves? I do not believe police would have helped William's sister if they had not had their own agenda.

At the very least, there are two booklets provided to explain to them their rights. One for ages 13-17, and one for ages 7-12. Available online. It sounds as if the child may also be sent a booklet.

When the child received counselling in Sep and Oct '21, the child neither mentioned the abuse nor was she 'directly' asked about abuse.

Rights of children in foster care

A child's Charter of Rights, the law that protects children and how that affects you as a foster carer.

www.facs.nsw.gov.au

Tears as child taken from Tyrrell foster mum's care

Missing toddler William Tyrrell's former foster mother told a child being removed from her care that it wasn't the youngster's fault, a court has heard.

www.perthnow.com.au

 

[JLZ]

At the very least, there are two booklets provided to explain to them their rights. One for ages 13-17, and one for ages 7-12. Available online. It sounds as if the child may also be sent a booklet.

When the child received counselling in Sep and Oct '21, the child neither mentioned the abuse nor was she 'directly' asked about abuse.

Rights of children in foster care

A child's Charter of Rights, the law that protects children and how that affects you as a foster carer.

www.facs.nsw.gov.au

Tears as child taken from Tyrrell foster mum's care

Missing toddler William Tyrrell's former foster mother told a child being removed from her care that it wasn't the youngster's fault, a court has heard.

www.perthnow.com.au

I think there need to be examples of emotional abuse. So that the child can explain to the 'person she trusts' (and what if she doesn't trust anyone?) that she's not merely unhappy because she can't always have or do what she wants.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think there need to be examples of emotional abuse. So that the child can explain to the 'person she trusts' (and what if she doesn't trust anyone?) that she's not merely unhappy because she can't always have or do what she wants.

I think the child probably didn't want to leave her home of practically her whole life. She just wanted the other foster child gone so she could have her old life back.

 

[nightrider17]

I think it would have been pretty confronting for the new foster child to be witnessing what was exchanging between the Fosters parents and LT during that incident.

LT may have well have wanted the new child gone.

But maybe another child might shift the dynamics in the household.

I would not be surprised if the FM uses tactics involving her attention and the time she allocates towards the new child to manipulate LT to behave in a way she condones. Just My Opinion.

Some of her consequences she dishes out to LT have a certain meanness to them. In my Opinion.

Kicking her and refusing to wash her clothes seems a bit excessive response for the situation even if I take into account FM stress. MOO

 

[Couldbe]

I think it would have been pretty confronting for the new foster child to be witnessing what was exchanging between the Fosters parents and LT during that incident.

LT may have well have wanted the new child gone.

But maybe another child might shift the dynamics in the household.

I would not be surprised if the FM uses tactics involving her attention and the time she allocates towards the new child to manipulate LT to behave in a way she condones. Just My Opinion.

Some of her consequences she dishes out to LT have a certain meanness to them. In my Opinion.

Kicking her and refusing to wash her clothes seems a bit excessive response for the situation even if I take into account FM stress. MOO

“Emma Ballard had counselling sessions with the child in September and October 2021 and said the child did not like the foster parents' rules.
The foster mother's lawyer, John Stratton SC, asked if the child reported being assaulted, intimidated or verbally abused.

"(They) did not indicate that any of that had happened," Ms Ballard said, although she confirmed she had not asked directly.
The child reported feeling excluded and annoyed when a younger child was placed in the home and responded by refusing to do chores and homework, stomping around the house and slamming doors.
"All of (their) behaviours did seem age-appropriate," Ms Ballard said.”

“Megan Payne, a NSW Department of Communities and Justice official who served removal papers in November 2021, said the child cried and hugged the foster mother.”
Tears as child taken from Tyrrell foster mum's care

MOO - At that point, the young girl hadn’t been removed from the Foster Parents, and the reason for the Counselling session was to focus on the newly fostered young girl.

Might she have been coached by the FM on the reason she had been brought there …. to help her react differently in respect to the addition of the new younger foster child.

 

[k-mac]

I think the child probably didn't want to leave her home of practically her whole life. She just wanted the other foster child gone so she could have her old life back.

We just don't know what this child has endured or how she felt or what influence at the time of her statements any of this had on her.
Wasn't so long ago we were talking about her wanting to know her bio family.
That is when I speculate the girl and FM became a serious, problematic dynamic.

Jealousy and loosing control the real issue.


moo

 

[FromGermany1]

FFC could have been almost thankful, that little L didn't run away instead of stomping around and slamming doors.
I think, taking another damaged child, only 6 yo, into her care, was a big risk re the family harmony and not at all a task, made for FFC (or/and MFC). Why didn't she know it, fGs??

 

[k-mac]

FFC could have been almost thankful, that little L didn't run away instead of stomping around and slamming doors.
I think, taking another damaged child, only 6 yo, into her care, was a big risk re the family harmony and not at all a task, made for FFC (or/and MFC). Why didn't she know it, fGs??

Because I think chaos and disfunction was normal in that home FG1.

We only have evidence of the goings on in a small window of a covert police operation.

 

[Awakening]

I think it would have been pretty confronting for the new foster child to be witnessing what was exchanging between the Fosters parents and LT during that incident.

LT may have well have wanted the new child gone.

But maybe another child might shift the dynamics in the household.

I would not be surprised if the FM uses tactics involving her attention and the time she allocates towards the new child to manipulate LT to behave in a way she condones. Just My Opinion.

Some of her consequences she dishes out to LT have a certain meanness to them. In my Opinion.

Kicking her and refusing to wash her clothes seems a bit excessive response for the situation even if I take into account FM stress. MOO

“ ..the court heard the foster parents had provided emergency and short-term care for numerous children over the years, including seven children between 2017 and 2021.”

That imo would be quite unsettling for any other children in the house.

I know it’s something that the foster carers I know are all wary of. Even a week or two placement can disrupt the household.

I can view this article and I don’t have a subscription but I think it may be paywalled for some.

Magistrate rejects attempt by Tyrrell foster mother to have charges thrown out

The woman, who cannot be named, is accused of intimidating a child who is not the missing toddler between January and August 2021. She has pleaded not guilty.

www.smh.com.au

 

[suspicious]

I think there need to be examples of emotional abuse. So that the child can explain to the 'person she trusts' (and what if she doesn't trust anyone?) that she's not merely unhappy because she can't always have or do what she wants.

I grew up with a single parent who was was abusive toward me.
I didn’t know at the time it was “wrong”
Neighbours repeatedly reported the abuse to the school and I said everything was fine. I was confused and scared.

It’s so sad

 

[JLZ]

I think the child probably didn't want to leave her home of practically her whole life. She just wanted the other foster child gone so she could have her old life back.

All those things could be true. She might have wanted the other child gone and she might have been anguished to leave her home and those people. And she was also being subjected to harmful emotional abuse which interferes with her relationship with herself and undermines her future.

 

[Burtrito]

Foster father's reaction after his three-year-old had vanished

William Tyrrell's foster father says he started searching 'everywhere' when he got home from a business meeting in 2014 and his wife asked 'Is William with you?'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In the walkthrough FF potentially has some bad hay fever.

Anyone in here have knowledge about asthma and spring. Any knowledge on how Williams asthma was triggered.

I’m curious if he would have had asthma when he was last seen and what the asthma plan is for someone so little. I know lots of parents don’t like to use steroids at that age.

 

[SouthAussie]

All those things could be true. She might have wanted the other child gone and she might have been anguished to leave her home and those people. And she was also being subjected to harmful emotional abuse which interferes with her relationship with herself and undermines her future.

Which is exactly why the police should have sorted this out in Jan '21, and not left the child in that position.

If anyone thinks that I am not concerned about this child's mental wellbeing and future, then they are missing the whole point of my posts about this.

There is no further "threshold" for passing this case onto a child abuse unit or reporting it to the DCJ. As a foster child, the child was not to be smacked.

Smacking was the threshold. The police passed by that threshold in Jan '21.

 

[k-mac]

Few things I hadn't heard before.

Tyrrell's former foster mother sobs as secret recordings from her home and car played in court

The former foster parents are facing charges of assault and intimidation of a child in a five-day hearing in Sydney.

www.abc.net.au

Mr Marsh played several excerpts of the recordings in court, including one in which the child was crying for help and saying, "I am calling the police", before the woman asked the child to "stand up".

As it was played in court, the woman appeared visibly distraught and sobbed with her head in her hands while her partner consoled her.

In a subsequent recording, the woman was heard telling her husband that the child was "hit really hard with a wooden spoon", to which he responds, "We've got a big problem".

 

[k-mac]

Tyrrell's former foster mother sobs as secret recordings from her home and car played in court

The former foster parents are facing charges of assault and intimidation of a child in a five-day hearing in Sydney.

www.abc.net.au

The following day, he was captured in another recording saying while the child "might've felt scared", he was "so exhausted because what you do consumes everyone".

FF clearly here blames the child for her own abuse as well.
She had it firing both ways.
She is ruining their life. She is the problem...she has to change....she can't do anything right. ( He was cursing her and name calling about not closing the door correctly)

Child allegedly assaulted by William Tyrrell’s former foster parents heard sobbing on audio played in court

Former foster mother, 58, pleaded guilty to assaulting the child on two occasions in 2021

www.theguardian.com

In the recordings, the foster father is heard screaming at the child to get in their car, saying he is “done” and calling the child a “f***ing stupid little s***”.

CONTROL.

 

[k-mac]

Child allegedly assaulted by William Tyrrell’s former foster parents heard sobbing on audio played in court

Former foster mother, 58, pleaded guilty to assaulting the child on two occasions in 2021

www.theguardian.com

In a separate recording, his partner yells at the child to stop talking.

“No, you don’t get to talk,” she said to the youngster’s cries.

“You are not talking. You have no voice until I tell you.”

In another recording, she said: “I am stronger than you. I will outlast you. You will not beat me at this.”

Dismissive of her crying.
Complete lack of empathy for this child.
Cold and controlling.
And out of ones depth.


Is that what happened to William??

 

[silvercrown]

These latest testimonies have definitely changed the scene in my head from the morning W went missing. For a long time I used to picture a bit of a lazy morning at home, where they played with the bikes and did colouring in after watching cartoons in bed. Sure, it had the typical moments of parenting, some frustration with crashing bikes and not being too loud so that the FF’s mother wasn’t woken too early, but it was normal. ‘Dad’ went off for a meeting and errand and everyone else stayed home playing with the kids and catching up over a cup of tea.

Now the picture in my head is one where tensions are high, threats made about behaving ‘correctly’ were physical and scary. Kids misbehaving were locked outside. Told they’re ‘little ’. Told the wooden spoon will come out if they’re not quiet. Was daddy/mummy tiger what they threatened the kids with? ‘Roaring’ at them in anger? ‘If you do that then daddy tiger will come out and yell at you’?
The last roar picture isn’t one of play if you ask me. There is no twinkle in his eye. No engagement with whoever is taking the photo.

It’s made my imagination run wild and has really changed the way I’ve ever thought about anything that has been reported happening that morning.

Hearing that William was ‘bouncing out of his skull’ has really stuck out to me too. What an odd turn of phrase. Bouncing out of his skin, maybe. I wonder what made the word ‘skull’ slip out instead.

Moo