AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #2

[cluciano63]

If she had a chance for a ride and to save time and cash...I can see her accepting a ride with someone she knew on some level.

Wish we knew more about friends, groups she hung out with, etc. as smoking pot is no big deal, if that was the extent of the drugs of choice. That does not usually play into violent crime. But maybe someone from her complex drove by, or from a job.

Still, seems to be such a short window. Was she just getting to the store and someone was pulling in to buy something? Maybe just out of camera range?

 

[goblinsolo]

she left her apt, and then dissapeared. cab didnt get her at ampm, and until something 100% shows the cab had physical contact with her, its not a theory that can hold weight, imo.

her last phone call, txt was when? she was in the vicinity somewhere between her apt and ampm. she called cab to that location at ampm, she didn't make it there. IF she EVER was at that ampm, at ANY time, she would be on surveillance cam.

hardy/brown to uni/hardy.

i can't see why there would be ANY deviation from hardy when she left her apt to ampm.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

isnt this all rather a strange angle to even worry about, does if it even matter what her path was after accident and her diversions in that path IF EVIDENCE SHOWS she went to house after the accident and changed clothing, etc?

what does any of this lead us to? she obviously got back home after wreck, and from that hardy/brown area is her final movements before her dissapearance?

is that not 100% the case? or, where am i wrong in that?

IMHO I don't know where she's getting at with the walking from the dropped car to the AMPM. She talked to Pooley and he told her that As reportedly went back home and changed after the wreck.

I'm always willing to help anyone's theories, however my theory doesn't always match with theirs. All theories and jmho's I'll help out.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

she left her apt, and then dissapeared. cab didnt get her at ampm, and until something 100% shows the cab had physical contact with her, its not a theory that can hold weight, imo.

her last phone call, txt was when? she was in the vicinity somewhere between her apt and ampm. she called cab to that location at ampm, she didn't make it there. IF she EVER was at that ampm, at ANY time, she would be on surveillance cam.

hardy/brown to uni/hardy.

i can't see why there would be ANY deviation from hardy when she left her apt to ampm.

I agree! That's what I said! Hardy and 7th is one minute north of hardy and university! That's why I say if she were truly a minute away walking when she made the call (walking down hardy/brown toward hardy/UNI) it would put her exactly at CROSSING OVER 7th street while walking ON hardy.

This is why I've been saying the complex to the left of the pin and the shopping center to the right of the pin might have CCTV surveillance facing toward the street. But I'm guessing they didn't get anything. (This happens often as many time CCTV for businesses typically only catches as far as right outside the front door of the business.)

 

[goblinsolo]

lookin north down hardy from university. on right is ampm. note, the bus stop. on left is auto parts store.


looking south is 2nd pic. on left is 7th street. then a few stores, before ampm. on right is apt complex that isnt exactly the ritz carlton, then auto store.

this is how salinas would head to ampm from 7th, or hardy, or even if she cut thru park.

only other path is university to ampm. and many places to cut thru, to that street, but there would be no reason, unless she was dodging over avoiding someone following her

 

[MissDemeanor]

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That damn park i hate would be in the middle of the perfect diagonal shortcut.... . Taking the park shortcut would probably cut her walk time by about a good 5 minutes.

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I agree. Those two minutes between 5:05 and 5:07 are crucial.

Why was she so late getting to the cab? Hadn't he been waiting since the call at 4:23 (to pick her up)? Granted he arrived within 20 minutes after she called in (as is the companies policy to show within 20 minutes of call), but still...

She called the cab again almost 45 minutes after her initial call to confirm she was still showing, only for her phone to be shut off one minute later. What was the hold up?!?!? 45 minutes?!?!?

Jaycee Park being right smack dab in the middle does seem ominous. But if she did walk this way, she still made it home to change clothes. At least we DO know that, even if we don't know how. LE confirmed it.

As for the cabbie arriving 20 mins after she called, do we know that for a fact? I thought there was a question as to why, if the dispatcher said he was twenty mins away, he never called Adrienne until 5:05 the first time. Wouldn't the cabdriver make the call as soon as he got there to make sure his fare was going to show up?

But like you said.....

Those two minutes between 5:05 and 5:07 are crucial.

See, this is exactly what I am getting at. Two minutes! Only two!!! Such a small window of opportunity.

 

[cluciano63]

Is there a sinkhole in the area? Seriously, it is like she just fell down the rabbit hole in one minute. Just like Lauren.

 

[goblinsolo]

2 other areas... first pic is the roosevelt/7th intersection looking east down 7th/... by day, as u can see a lady is walking a dog. at night, dusk its barren and very dark. this is where she would cross over from roosevelt to 7th, if we go by that theory of her travels.

the 2nd pic, is the lot to west of park, looking north down hardy. its actually containing even more refuse and fences now, but just as barren and, weird.

both these areas, when i last went out round midnight, were the 2 most strange areas i noted on my travels, aside from the area where she ditched car on roosevelt.brown

 

[MissDemeanor]

If she had a chance for a ride and to save time and cash...I can see her accepting a ride with someone she knew on some level.

Wish we knew more about friends, groups she hung out with, etc. as smoking pot is no big deal, if that was the extent of the drugs of choice. That does not usually play into violent crime. But maybe someone from her complex drove by, or from a job.

Still, seems to be such a short window. Was she just getting to the store and someone was pulling in to buy something? Maybe just out of camera range?

I'm like you with her never making it to the boyfriend's house. Somehow I don't think she was ever even near the AM/PM. But in my next response to Goblin I'm going to 'splain why I think she might have called the cab to meet her there and why I do think it is relevant.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

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Jaycee Park being right smack dab in the middle does seem ominous. But if she did walk this way, she still made it home to change clothes. At least we DO know that, even if we don't know how. LE confirmed it.

As for the cabbie arriving 20 mins after she called, do we know that for a fact? I thought there was a question as to why, if the dispatcher said he was twenty mins away, he never called Adrienne until 5:05 the first time. Wouldn't the cabdriver make the call as soon as he got there to make sure his fare was going to show up?

But like you said.....

See, this is exactly what I am getting at. Two minutes! Only two!!! Such a small window of opportunity.

""You get the call. In this case it came in at 4:23, and the closest driver was about 20 minutes away," said Thomas Simon, owner of Scottsdale Cab Guy. He said the driver was his son, Tom.""

""He calls back a couple of times along the way to make sure that the person is going to wait," Simon said.

Simon said his son called Salinas at 5:04 a.m. and 5:05 a.m. to make sure she was headed to the gas station. He said at 5:06 a.m., Salinas called his son, saying she'd be there in a minute. Then he called Salinas at 5:07 a.m. looking for her, but the phone went to voicemail.

"In a place like this, they would get out, look around, make sure the person wasn't in the store," Simon said. He said his son did just that but never saw Salinas. "

http://www.kpho.com/story/22709539/owner-of-cab-company-called-by-missing-teen-speaks-out

 

[goblinsolo]

I'm like you with her never making it to the boyfriend's house. Somehow I don't think she was ever even near the AM/PM. But in my next response to Goblin I'm going to 'splain why I think she might have called the cab to meet her there and why I do think it is relevant.

i have a theory that corresponds with this post of yrs, and i dont know if we are on same page...

WAS SHE HAVING SOMEONE DROP HER OFF AT AMPM, to catch that cab?
but, she never got dropped off?

is that plausible? does anything point in that direction?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

This info I got wrong was that she sent the text to her BF saying "I'm coming over" at 4:43 - about 20 minutes after calling him 11 times straight and after calling for the cab.

I can only assume the cab was waiting 20 minutes after she called it at 4:23 .... Which gives us 4:43 as the time he probably called to say he was waiting at the AMPM. AS having it confirmed to her at 4:43 that the cab is indeed at the AMPM, she texts her bf to say "I'm coming over" at 4:43.

It's almost as if she's saying subliminally "I'm on my way to the AmPM and on my way over". As if she intended to leave the apartment about the time she sent the text to her bf at 4:43.

What caught her up for 15-20 minutes? Did she have to take her dog out and that held her up?

 

[WideOpen]

Adrienne text the boyfriend at 4:47, "im coming over"
I think its possible she could have been in the cab at that point in time...

There is just too much time between when cabbie should have arrived and the calls at 5:05-5:06


It still bothers me she left the "big bag" at the apartment.

jmo

 

[goblinsolo]

if i might further elaborate on a theory, SHE was in another car, heading to ampm from somewhere else, and she didnt want that person droppn her at HOME, or HER BFS HOUSE?

the ride, she txtd her bf ON MY WAY because she thought she was gonna git out of this ride and get to a neutral place where driver couldnt identify her apt or bfs house at a later time?

this is someone who picked her up at her apt earlier, after she changed clothing?

does this make any sense?

OR, has this person been with her, since the accident? did she go back to her apt with this person, so they could get their car? and she took ride with them?

this is too many ridiculous things, im throwin' out there. im gonna stop for now.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Okay just one more time I want to explain why I wanted the map from 2Hip of the distance from the wreck to the AM/PM and also to her apartment.

I posted this earlier, but I know there's lot of posts to ferret through so I don't mind throwing this out there again, to answer your question of 'why are we even discussing this'. And I do understand.

See, it has really bugged me from the very beginning as to why she asked the cab to meet her at the AM/PM in the first place. Why not come to her apartment and pick her up. It made NO sense to me. And I have posted that over and over.

But today it dawned on me that I have been assuming all along that she called the cab from her apartment. But it could very well be she called from the wreck.

As Cluciano has stated...Adrienne apparently was desperate to get to her boyfriend's place. I'm thinking she hung around the wreck longer than anyone has imagined trying to figure out what to do and probably frightened. This could be why she called him so many times.

And so then, suppose this, she decides she's going to call a cab to take her over there. At this time, let's assume, she is not even thinking of going back to her apartment. So she calls a cab to meet her at the AM/PM.

(Also, remember she probably isn't thinking too clearly but we believe she wants to avoid the cops and a DUI)

So...she doesn't want the cab to pick her up at the wreck site so she asks them to pick her up at the store.

She's still planning on going to the boyfriend's.

However....on her way to the store, she changes her mind and decides to go home to change clothes and what not.

I personally feel it is a relevant as anything else to have a feeling as to where she was when she did call the cab and why she wanted the cabbie to meet her at the AM/PM.

This is the ONLY viable explanation I can really buy into. (Even if others don't agree.)

I think that if we try to think just like she did that night, tracing each of her little tiny steps, feeling as distraught as she most assuredly felt, feeling as obsessed with seeing her boyfriend, maybe we can come up with some new ideas.

That's why I think it's relevant. I think it's ALL relevant!

Everything and anything.

 

[goblinsolo]

Okay just one more time I want to explain why I wanted the map from 2Hip of the distance from the wreck to the AM/PM and also to her apartment.

I posted this earlier, but I know there's lot of posts to ferret through so I don't mind throwing this out there again, to answer your question of 'why are we even discussing this'. And I do understand.

See, it has really bugged me from the very beginning as to why she asked the cab to meet her at the AM/PM in the first place. Why not come to her apartment and pick her up. It made NO sense to me. And I have posted that over and over.

But today it dawned on me that I have been assuming all along that she called the cab from her apartment. But it could very well be she called from the wreck.

As Cluciano has stated...Adrienne apparently was desperate to get to her boyfriend's place. I'm thinking she hung around the wreck longer than anyone has imagined trying to figure out what to do and probably frightened. This could be why she called him so many times.

And so then, suppose this, she decides she's going to call a cab to take her over there. At this time, let's assume, she is not even thinking of going back to her apartment. So she calls a cab to meet her at the AM/PM.

(Also, remember she probably isn't thinking too clearly but we believe she wants to avoid the cops and a DUI)

So...she doesn't want the cab to pick her up at the wreck site so she asks them to pick her up at the store.

She's still planning on going to the boyfriend's.

However....on her way to the store, she changes her mind and decides to go home to change clothes and what not.

I personally feel it is a relevant as anything else to have a feeling as to where she was when she did call the cab and why she wanted the cabbie to meet her at the AM/PM.

This is the ONLY viable explanation I can really buy into. (Even if others don't agree.)

I think that if we try to think just like she did that night, tracing each of her little tiny steps, feeling as distraught as she most assuredly felt, feeling as obsessed with seeing her boyfriend, maybe we can come up with some new ideas.

That's why I think it's relevant. I think it's ALL relevant!

Everything and anything.

ive been pretty adamant about that after the accident EVEN, we dont know if she got home, really. aside from a clothing change that we don't know she did at that time. NO ONE SAW HER BACK HOME AFTER ACCIDENT. there is no record of anyone indicating she got home after accident. none

WHY do we KNOW the clothing change was after accident? why couldnt it of been PRIOR, when she left bf on mill, roomie got her, and she, WE KNOW, WE KNOW AT THAT POINT she DID get back home and was visually seen by roommate? maybe thats when she changed clothing and packed the nxt day bag, because wouldnt it make sense that she takes that bag to sleep at her bfs house?

so, she then proceeds to go to bfs house, gets in wreck. and NEVER GOES BACK TO APT. and then from wreck to ampm, its a mystery.

im on board with that thought, and wondering if that makes sense, either

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

My theory is that there is another love interest (perhaps secretive) involved who lives very locally to her.
She could've easily walked to his house.
She didn't need to bring anything with her.

And yet, maybe she got in a fight with him too and was calling the cab while still at his house or in his company---she wanted an escape from this man's arms to that of her more stable/upstanding boyfriend.

Maybe this other guy intercepted due to anger???


I believe one of her girlfriends knows more than they're letting on (just a hunch)...

moo

 

[MissDemeanor]

Adrienne text the boyfriend at 4:47, "im coming over"
I think its possible she could have been in the cab at that point in time...

There is just too much time between when cabbie should have arrived and the calls at 5:05-5:06


It still bothers me she left the "big bag" at the apartment.

jmo

I think I might agree with you if LE hasn't said they have ruled out the cab driver as a suspect or POI.

I really don't think she was ever in that cab or any other one for that matter...not that night.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

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Gonna bring this forward as I corrected the time she texted her BF and the time she called back the cab driver. Ty!

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Timeline Start 3:44am
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It is a 1 minute drive from the area Adrienne crashed to where she left her car on W Brown and Roosevelt. (however she may have driven slower due to damaged car/tires increasing the trip time to possibly be longer than 1 minute.)

So I'm estimating her car was parked on W brown and Roosevelt by 3:50 am, well before AS called her BF from 4:10-4:17 am. That's nearly a 20 minute gap of time after she would have presumably dropped her car to when she began to call the boyfriend. IMO.



It is a 5 minute walk from Roosevelt to 5th street and 5th up to AS Apartment. (Maybe 6 or 7 minutes if her apartment was further west in the complex.).

This 5 minute walk would be around 3:50-3:57 am estimated. During the walk she had not even called him yet. IMHO. In fact, she should have been home by 3:57-4:00 am after the wreck. This leads me to believe she called the BF when she was changing at her apartment around 4:10-4:17 am. She also called the cab at 4:23, presumably still at the apartment.

At 4:43, 20 minutes after calling the cab and presumably after getting the call that the cab had arrived at AMPM, Adrienne texts her bf to say "I'm Coming Over".

So from around 4:43am - 5:00 am she is at apartment still while the cabbie has been called and is waiting at the AMPM.



It is a 7 minute walk from her complex to the am pm. If she were truly a minute away around 5:06am when she called the cabbie back and said "im 1 minute away", she would have began her walk to the am pm at 4:59 am.



1 minute away North of the AMPM is Hardy and 7th street

After calling the cabbie at 5:06am to say she was one minute away, the cab called her cellphone one minute later at 5:07 am but it went straight to voicemail. So really she vanished in 1 minute!



So,

She got to her apartment around 4:00 am and left around 5:00 am, and vanished within 6 minutes into her 7 minute walk from apartment to ampm according to my estimations and theory.

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End 5:07 am.
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IMHO.

 

[MissDemeanor]

My theory is that there is another love interest (perhaps secretive) involved who lives very locally to her.
She could've easily walked to his house.
She didn't need to bring anything with her.

And yet, maybe she got in a fight with him too and was calling the cab while still at his house or in his company---she wanted an escape from this man's arms to that of her more stable/upstanding boyfriend.

Maybe this other guy intercepted due to anger???


I believe one of her girlfriends knows more than they're letting on (just a hunch)...

moo

I've seen you post this theory before. Anything is possible. Someone who might have lived in her apartments, or across the street. Someone from work or school.

This is not beyond the realm of possibility. Not at all.