AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #2

[2Hip2BSquare]

Thanks to Amandareckonwith & the crankycrankerson photobucket. This is an invaluable tool for looking back at all the media, video's and logs of the case. Thanks for all your work!


Her family is in so much pain, the video's of her mom and father just tear your heart out. My love goes out to them.


I went back to look at the boyfriend and roommates video's.

The roommate early videos;
The body language on the roommate is "goofy", I am far from a body language person but I can't get over the giddiness of the earlier video's. They are young and this might explain the lack of concern or maybe she just comes off as "spacey", like this is a joke that Adreinne is missing. From those more experienced or folks out there in tune with body language, what are you picking up from her, if anything?

The boyfriend; He seems like a serious type, I find him concerned and believable.

Also, I hadn't seen it mentioned in the thread that the group Find Me is involved. A group comprised of current and former law enforcement, handwriting and body language-linguistic experts, dive teams, search dogs, and airplanes. They also have psychics.


jmo

I will say from personal experience of being a student at ASU and being questioned in a missing person case at 19 years old (my boyfriends assigned roommate at the time went missing after kidnapping his gf!!) that when detectives showed up we all were kind of in shock and giddy while answering questions. I think it's just young people's way of trying to process the reality of being a potential witness/source for info on a serious case like a disappearance.

The detectives were very nice and really just wanted us to feel comfortable (I mean a BONG was just sitting out and beer cans when they came in the apartment) and they were class acts. They realized if they wanted to get info out of us they had to gain our trust and be "chill".

If this helps at all. Idk. Hehe.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

just wanted to post that i'm still here, waiting for new news on adrienne. i feel like i'm walking in circles with my thoughts since there hasn't been any solid info released. hopefully we'll hear more soon & i'll start posting again. just wanted to let ya'll know that i haven't forgotten about Adrienne and i still refresh this thread 100 times a day to check for new info.

You're awesome <3

 

[MissDemeanor]

Hello Everyone and Happy 4th of July to you!

I stopped in to read all the posts since I checked out yesterday to see if there were any new developments. Some very nice posts here that reflect how we must all feel about this fast moving thread and all the very interesting posts we don't always have time to respond to.

I'm so glad I found this forum with you caring and compassionate people!

Mamacita...thanks so much for bringing your timeline over. It is invaluable and I refer back to it often.

2Hip...thanks for re-posting your terrific maps that give those of us who don't or have never lived in Tempe an idea of what the area looks like and also the time it takes to navigate in these areas.

Just as I always do, I searched for any new tidbit of news on Adrienne Salinas this morning and can find nothing. Maybe in this case, at this time, no news is good news. I am always fearful of what I may find and still cling to hope she could be alive somewhere, even though I know with each passing day the odds get lower.

I'm not going to Tempe Town Lake to watch the fireworks today. I will be going somewhere else, but I hope and pray there are no surprises like when Jack was discovered.



Tempe Town Lake Fireworks Display

Have a GREAT day everyone and wishing you a Happy 4th of July where ever you are!

Praying for Adrienne's return and peace in the hearts of her family and friends!



PS...SandSage, sorry I missed you last night! <3 2Hip, keep thinking out of the box g/f! <3 Goblin, stay safe!

 

[SandSage]

I feel like we've hit a brick wall and that is very disturbing. The only thing I know for CERTAIN is, if I ever go "missing", I hope the people on this forum hear about it! Amazing, yes you are. <3

 

[abcxyz]

I’ve been following this WS forum for a while now (including the 40 some pages from the 1st forum). My interest in this story stems from the fact that AS’s cousin is in my cohort at school. Here is what I am thinking based on the information that the media has reported:

If we go back to the beginning of the events the only information we have is that AS and her boyfriend- with whom she’s been in an on-off relationship since 5th grade- were in an argument, left a party headed to boyfriend’s house, left boyfriend’s house to bring AS back home, and then AS jumped out of the car they were travelling in blocks away from her residence..

We also know based on social media that AS identified herself as ‘single.’ I don’t recall the poster but it was mentioned that a recent comment made by AS said something along the lines of ‘tell your new girlfriend you belong to someone else.’ If you take a look at her instagram captions like “#embracethepast,” and “let me know that you’re mine” stand out. IMO this suggests the climate in the couples relationship. Considering Erik Erikson’s stages of development, these young adults would be approaching a stage in their lives that they start considering life partners for a future family. I think that AS wanted her boyfriend to fill this position, but that the feelings weren’t mutual.

This supposition helps me imagine AS’s last moments before her disappearance.

My Theory:
I assume the party the couple started arguing at was at AS’s house, because while it is possible they were at another I find it unlikely that someone would travel to a party when they could have just stayed home to attend their own party. So, AS and her boyfriend are at her house and something triggered an argument.. could it have been that one of the 40 people who attended were unwelcome by AS or made her upset- triggered a past memory or grudge? Perhaps the “new girlfriend” that was mentioned on a social media comment showed up? I think that it’s likely that a person who made AS (or her boyfriend) uncomfortable showed up and that’s why the couple left- instead of making a scene and asking someone to leave the two just left. IMO they continued to argue about their relationship and AS probably realized that her boyfriend didn’t have the same feelings for her as she did for him- she wants to get away from him now: asks to be taken back home and eventually cant stand to be next to him so bails out of the car once she feels close enough to walk home safely. I really feel like this is the reason AS jumped out of the car. It would take a lot IMO for someone to do that instead of just waiting a few more minutes to arrive at home. To me she could have either been really afraid or really angry. If she was afraid I think she would have told someone and would have never decided to go back to him later in the night. That leaves anger (I know that I’ve been mad enough at my boyfriend to jump out of a car to get the heck away from him, although I haven’t actually done it).
Perhaps once AS makes it back to her apartment, she realized that the person who set her off in the first place is still there; she doesn’t want to be around this so opts to go back to BFs (which makes sense to me if she indeed does see him as the person she would like to spend her life with). She tries to drive herself, but the accident comes into play (and now lets assume that she was the one driving, she'd been drinking-as reported by media but "not DRUNK"- as reported by roomies, and was somehow able to maneuver the car to the back roads it was found- perhaps the tires had a slow leak and didn’t actually “pop”), so she finds herself back at her apartment. The accident, IMO, explains the eleven calls to her boyfriend, and the previous heated arguments suggest to me that her boyfriend was ‘done’ for the night and didn’t answer/see her calls. So, AS still uncomfortable in her apartment, calls a cab. This is where things get unclear to me….. why the cabbie took so long.. why the calls made from her phone were exchanged the way they were (1 minute increments).. why her phone went to voicemail right after the cabbie claims to have spoke with someone.
Considering that the cabbie and boyfriend have both been identified by LE as not being POI, my attention turns to the other people who were around her that night (especially since it has been reported that not all of the party-goers have even been identified, and that LE was going to re-interview the people there).
I’m thinking AS noticed the missed calls from the cab driver while still at her apartment (she was probably sitting outside- perhaps to avoid someone inside- since her roommates claim to have not noticed her). At this time of the morning, parties are usually dying off- so I think it’s likely that people were leaving and someone offered to give her a ride to AMPM, and she calls the cab driver back saying she’ll be there in just a minute. Whether she turned her phone off herself or the person driving her took it and shut it off or it ironically died, I don’t know. But- to me the facts (aka shotty media reports) are pointing to one of the party-goers. As mentioned before, it's less likely that she was picked up off the street by someone and it went unnoticed. Anybody else thinking the same or notice holes in my theory??

 

[SandSage]

I’ve been following this WS forum for a while now (including the 40 some pages from the 1st forum). My interest in this story stems from the fact that AS’s cousin is in my cohort at school. Here is what I am thinking based on the information that the media has reported:

If we go back to the beginning of the events the only information we have is that AS and her boyfriend- with whom she’s been in an on-off relationship since 5th grade- were in an argument, left a party headed to boyfriend’s house, left boyfriend’s house to bring AS back home, and then AS jumped out of the car they were travelling in blocks away from her residence..

We also know based on social media that AS identified herself as ‘single.’ I don’t recall the poster but it was mentioned that a recent comment made by AS said something along the lines of ‘tell your new girlfriend you belong to someone else.’ If you take a look at her instagram captions like “#embracethepast,” and “let me know that you’re mine” stand out. IMO this suggests the climate in the couples relationship. Considering Erik Erikson’s stages of development, these young adults would be approaching a stage in their lives that they start considering life partners for a future family. I think that AS wanted her boyfriend to fill this position, but that the feelings weren’t mutual.

This supposition helps me imagine AS’s last moments before her disappearance.

My Theory:
I assume the party the couple started arguing at was at AS’s house, because while it is possible they were at another I find it unlikely that someone would travel to a party when they could have just stayed home to attend their own party. So, AS and her boyfriend are at her house and something triggered an argument.. could it have been that one of the 40 people who attended were unwelcome by AS or made her upset- triggered a past memory or grudge? Perhaps the “new girlfriend” that was mentioned on a social media comment showed up? I think that it’s likely that a person who made AS (or her boyfriend) uncomfortable showed up and that’s why the couple left- instead of making a scene and asking someone to leave the two just left. IMO they continued to argue about their relationship and AS probably realized that her boyfriend didn’t have the same feelings for her as she did for him- she wants to get away from him now: asks to be taken back home and eventually cant stand to be next to him so bails out of the car once she feels close enough to walk home safely. I really feel like this is the reason AS jumped out of the car. It would take a lot IMO for someone to do that instead of just waiting a few more minutes to arrive at home. To me she could have either been really afraid or really angry. If she was afraid I think she would have told someone and would have never decided to go back to him later in the night. That leaves anger (I know that I’ve been mad enough at my boyfriend to jump out of a car to get the heck away from him, although I haven’t actually done it).
Perhaps once AS makes it back to her apartment, she realized that the person who set her off in the first place is still there; she doesn’t want to be around this so opts to go back to BFs (which makes sense to me if she indeed does see him as the person she would like to spend her life with). She tries to drive herself, but the accident comes into play (and now lets assume that she was the one driving, she'd been drinking-as reported by media but "not DRUNK"- as reported by roomies, and was somehow able to maneuver the car to the back roads it was found- perhaps the tires had a slow leak and didn’t actually “pop”), so she finds herself back at her apartment. The accident, IMO, explains the eleven calls to her boyfriend, and the previous heated arguments suggest to me that her boyfriend was ‘done’ for the night and didn’t answer/see her calls. So, AS still uncomfortable in her apartment, calls a cab. This is where things get unclear to me….. why the cabbie took so long.. why the calls made from her phone were exchanged the way they were (1 minute increments).. why her phone went to voicemail right after the cabbie claims to have spoke with someone.
Considering that the cabbie and boyfriend have both been identified by LE as not being POI, my attention turns to the other people who were around her that night (especially since it has been reported that not all of the party-goers have even been identified, and that LE was going to re-interview the people there).
I’m thinking AS noticed the missed calls from the cab driver while still at her apartment (she was probably sitting outside- perhaps to avoid someone inside- since her roommates claim to have not noticed her). At this time of the morning, parties are usually dying off- so I think it’s likely that people were leaving and someone offered to give her a ride to AMPM, and she calls the cab driver back saying she’ll be there in just a minute. Whether she turned her phone off herself or the person driving her took it and shut it off or it ironically died, I don’t know. But- to me the facts (aka shotty media reports) are pointing to one of the party-goers. As mentioned before, it's less likely that she was picked up off the street by someone and it went unnoticed. Anybody else thinking the same or notice holes in my theory??

Quite honestly, this is the ONLY theory that is without holes to me. (Excellent 1st post, btw). THIS is why we keep coming back to LE needing to focus more on the party goers. Wondering if there are still individuals who have not returned LE's phone calls because that is where they should be looking the hardest, IMO.

Thank you for this.


(random o/t: I know that this entire event has really made me realize how amazing it is I am still alive after all the crap I pulled in college.)

 

[cluciano63]

I’ve been following this WS forum for a while now (including the 40 some pages from the 1st forum). My interest in this story stems from the fact that AS’s cousin is in my cohort at school. Here is what I am thinking based on the information that the media has reported:

If we go back to the beginning of the events the only information we have is that AS and her boyfriend- with whom she’s been in an on-off relationship since 5th grade- were in an argument, left a party headed to boyfriend’s house, left boyfriend’s house to bring AS back home, and then AS jumped out of the car they were travelling in blocks away from her residence..

We also know based on social media that AS identified herself as ‘single.’ I don’t recall the poster but it was mentioned that a recent comment made by AS said something along the lines of ‘tell your new girlfriend you belong to someone else.’ If you take a look at her instagram captions like “#embracethepast,” and “let me know that you’re mine” stand out. IMO this suggests the climate in the couples relationship. Considering Erik Erikson’s stages of development, these young adults would be approaching a stage in their lives that they start considering life partners for a future family. I think that AS wanted her boyfriend to fill this position, but that the feelings weren’t mutual.

This supposition helps me imagine AS’s last moments before her disappearance.

My Theory:
I assume the party the couple started arguing at was at AS’s house, because while it is possible they were at another I find it unlikely that someone would travel to a party when they could have just stayed home to attend their own party. So, AS and her boyfriend are at her house and something triggered an argument.. could it have been that one of the 40 people who attended were unwelcome by AS or made her upset- triggered a past memory or grudge? Perhaps the “new girlfriend” that was mentioned on a social media comment showed up? I think that it’s likely that a person who made AS (or her boyfriend) uncomfortable showed up and that’s why the couple left- instead of making a scene and asking someone to leave the two just left. IMO they continued to argue about their relationship and AS probably realized that her boyfriend didn’t have the same feelings for her as she did for him- she wants to get away from him now: asks to be taken back home and eventually cant stand to be next to him so bails out of the car once she feels close enough to walk home safely. I really feel like this is the reason AS jumped out of the car. It would take a lot IMO for someone to do that instead of just waiting a few more minutes to arrive at home. To me she could have either been really afraid or really angry. If she was afraid I think she would have told someone and would have never decided to go back to him later in the night. That leaves anger (I know that I’ve been mad enough at my boyfriend to jump out of a car to get the heck away from him, although I haven’t actually done it).
Perhaps once AS makes it back to her apartment, she realized that the person who set her off in the first place is still there; she doesn’t want to be around this so opts to go back to BFs (which makes sense to me if she indeed does see him as the person she would like to spend her life with). She tries to drive herself, but the accident comes into play (and now lets assume that she was the one driving, she'd been drinking-as reported by media but "not DRUNK"- as reported by roomies, and was somehow able to maneuver the car to the back roads it was found- perhaps the tires had a slow leak and didn’t actually “pop”), so she finds herself back at her apartment. The accident, IMO, explains the eleven calls to her boyfriend, and the previous heated arguments suggest to me that her boyfriend was ‘done’ for the night and didn’t answer/see her calls. So, AS still uncomfortable in her apartment, calls a cab. This is where things get unclear to me….. why the cabbie took so long.. why the calls made from her phone were exchanged the way they were (1 minute increments).. why her phone went to voicemail right after the cabbie claims to have spoke with someone.
Considering that the cabbie and boyfriend have both been identified by LE as not being POI, my attention turns to the other people who were around her that night (especially since it has been reported that not all of the party-goers have even been identified, and that LE was going to re-interview the people there).
I’m thinking AS noticed the missed calls from the cab driver while still at her apartment (she was probably sitting outside- perhaps to avoid someone inside- since her roommates claim to have not noticed her). At this time of the morning, parties are usually dying off- so I think it’s likely that people were leaving and someone offered to give her a ride to AMPM, and she calls the cab driver back saying she’ll be there in just a minute. Whether she turned her phone off herself or the person driving her took it and shut it off or it ironically died, I don’t know. But- to me the facts (aka shotty media reports) are pointing to one of the party-goers. As mentioned before, it's less likely that she was picked up off the street by someone and it went unnoticed. Anybody else thinking the same or notice holes in my theory??

Welcome to WS.
If what you think is correct...what happened to her?

 

[Public_Hysteria]

My Theory:
I assume the party the couple started arguing at was at AS’s house, because while it is possible they were at another I find it unlikely that someone would travel to a party when they could have just stayed home to attend their own party. So, AS and her boyfriend are at her house and something triggered an argument.. could it have been that one of the 40 people who attended were unwelcome by AS or made her upset- triggered a past memory or grudge? Perhaps the “new girlfriend” that was mentioned on a social media comment showed up? I think that it’s likely that a person who made AS (or her boyfriend) uncomfortable showed up and that’s why the couple left- instead of making a scene and asking someone to leave the two just left. I think that this is one of three possible scenarios. The second is that they were over the party and just wanted to go back to BF's home and spend some time alone together, but they got into an argument on the way and Adrienne wanted to go back to her friends the party (maybe because she was upset and just needed her girls) instead of staying over. The other was that her and her boyfriend started arguing, and instead of continuing it at a party in front of everyone, they decided to leave and sort things out in private. Perhaps the argument wasn't very heated at this stage and was just a small disagreement. IMO they continued to argue about their relationship and AS probably realized that her boyfriend didn’t have the same feelings for her as she did for him- she wants to get away from him now: asks to be taken back home and eventually cant stand to be next to him so bails out of the car once she feels close enough to walk home safely. I really feel like this is the reason AS jumped out of the car. It would take a lot IMO for someone to do that instead of just waiting a few more minutes to arrive at home. To me she could have either been really afraid or really angry. If she was afraid I think she would have told someone and would have never decided to go back to him later in the night. That leaves anger (I know that I’ve been mad enough at my boyfriend to jump out of a car to get the heck away from him, although I haven’t actually done it). I don't believe she was afraid, I think she was more upset and angry at whatever they had been arguing about. If she'd been drinking, this would make her more emotional, which would explain her jumping out of the car to get away, because she couldn't stand being in the car with him for any longer.
Perhaps once AS makes it back to her apartment, she realized that the person who set her off in the first place is still there; she doesn’t want to be around this so opts to go back to BFs (which makes sense to me if she indeed does see him as the person she would like to spend her life with). She tries to drive herself, but the accident comes into play (and now lets assume that she was the one driving, she'd been drinking-as reported by media but "not DRUNK"- as reported by roomies, and was somehow able to maneuver the car to the back roads it was found- perhaps the tires had a slow leak and didn’t actually “pop”), so she finds herself back at her apartment. The accident, IMO, explains the eleven calls to her boyfriend, and the previous heated arguments suggest to me that her boyfriend was ‘done’ for the night and didn’t answer/see her calls. I think you're spot on with this, too. If she'd just been in an accident, it makes sense that she would want to talk to her boyfriend about it. Her emotions were already heightened after the argument, so the accident could have sent her over the edge, I can imagine her being quite upset and shaken up at this point. So, AS still uncomfortable in her apartment, calls a cab. She understandably wouldn't really be in a partying mood, and after her accident just wants to go back to her BF's house and sort everything out, and be comforted after a bad night. This is where things get unclear to me….. why the cabbie took so long.. why the calls made from her phone were exchanged the way they were (1 minute increments).. why her phone went to voicemail right after the cabbie claims to have spoke with someone.
Considering that the cabbie and boyfriend have both been identified by LE as not being POI, my attention turns to the other people who were around her that night (especially since it has been reported that not all of the party-goers have even been identified, and that LE was going to re-interview the people there).
I’m thinking AS noticed the missed calls from the cab driver while still at her apartment (she was probably sitting outside- perhaps to avoid someone inside- since her roommates claim to have not noticed her). This also makes a lot of sense, she probably didn't want to be around everyone and have them all know that she'd just crashed her car. At this time of the morning, parties are usually dying off- so I think it’s likely that people were leaving and someone offered to give her a ride to AMPM, and she calls the cab driver back saying she’ll be there in just a minute. Whether she turned her phone off herself or the person driving her took it and shut it off or it ironically died, I don’t know. But- to me the facts (aka shotty media reports) are pointing to one of the party-goers. I hadn't even considered this, but I think this is definitely a viable theory. That would explain why she said she was only a minute away, it would only be a short trip by car. If she had gotten into the car with someone she trusted, I believe she must have turned her own phone off - maybe it was running low on battery so she wanted to save it until she got to her BF's house where she could likely charge it. As mentioned before, it's less likely that she was picked up off the street by someone and it went unnoticed. After hearing that this is a fairly high traffic area, I'm leaning less and less towards a 'random' abduction, and more towards someone close to her (even a casual acquaintance) knowing where she is now. Anybody else thinking the same or notice holes in my theory??

Excellent first post and an excellent theory, welcome to Websleuths! :welcome6:

I've snipped your post for space, and added my thoughts in red.

 

[abcxyz]

Welcome to WS.
If what you think is correct...what happened to her?

Well, I think everyone on this forum has the same answer to this... and that's "I don't really know."
The fact that there's been no trace of her makes me fear foul play. But by who? I can't even guess.. at least not until LE offers more information.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Yeah at parties near ASU when I was in college (especially at 19) usually had an open door policy. The more the merrier. There was always at least 1 person you didn't know showing up to your house who "knew" someone, wanting to hit up the keg. Especially after hours.

I agree it's possible that someone the roomies didn't know was in the party and could have abducted Adrienne after offering her a ride.

If there was no sound/struggle when she was abducted, does that indicate that she willingly got into the car with her captor (if she was abducted via car as I believe she might have been)?

 

[cluciano63]

The thing is, is anyone else who was at the party missing or unaccounted for? Anyone who could be "holding" her captive? If not, if everyone is accounted for, then that does not look good for Adrienne, assuming someone she met that night took her.

 

[abcxyz]

Excellent first post and an excellent theory, welcome to Websleuths! :welcome6:

I've snipped your post for space, and added my thoughts in red.

Thank you for your review!

I'm glad you mentioned the other scenarios to the arguement.. I think the social media comment that was mentioned earlier in this forum about a 'new girlfriend' (which I have yet to see with my own eyes) had me leaning towards an unexpected visitor.. but considering what you've noted, it now seems more plausable that the arguement was unrelated to a specific party guest but was more generic in nature (after all such bickering is very common in the on-off relationships that my close friends have experienced; and, my boyfriend and I just recently left a friends party for the same reason- arguing makes me crave privacy). I'm now also thinking that the arguement may have had less to do with her disappearance than I originally did-- since you've pointed out that there may be other explainations for her actions than just trying to avoid someone she didn't care for. I was thinking it would at least explain someone's motive for being involved in her disappearance, which as of now hasn't been very clear.

I'm trying to dig around on FB for indications of who might have attended the party, but its seeming fruitless. I would think, based on my circle of college-aged friends, that if there was a party with at least 40 heads SOMEONE would be posting pictures and status updates. Then again, those things could be easily deleted..

 

[Public_Hysteria]

Yeah at parties near ASU when I was in college (especially at 19) usually had an open door policy. The more the merrier. There was always at least 1 person you didn't know showing up to your house who "knew" someone, wanting to hit up the keg. Especially after hours.

I agree it's possible that someone the roomies didn't know was in the party and could have abducted Adrienne after offering her a ride.

If there was no sound/struggle when she was abducted, does that indicate that she willingly got into the car with her captor (if she was abducted via car as I believe she might have been)?

Not to mention that if someone is attending a party that you are at (let alone at your own home), it establishes some form of trust. It shouldn't (as these people are still strangers), but it does, especially at this age. You form a 'friendship' because you're both at the same place at the same time partying together. This would explain why she could have gotten into a car willingly, without anyone noticing who she left with. It could even have been someone she met a few times but didn't know all that well.

Once she got into the car, anything could have happened. The driver could have tried to hit on her but things turned violent when she rejected him (assuming the driver is male). The driver could have been another girl 'acting' friendly to get her into the car, and then taken her somewhere and done something to her out of jealousy (or anger). The driver could be a horrible person who had the 'luck' to stumble upon a vulnerable girl while leaving a party, and took advantage of the situation. At this stage, it's far too hard to say, because we don't even know if the scenario of her jumping into a car with someone from the party is true. Her being abducted off the streets is still a likely scenario, which possibly wouldn't have involved anyone at the party at all.

IMO JMO etc... :twocents:

 

[SandSage]

I'm trying to dig around on FB for indications of who might have attended the party, but its seeming fruitless. I would think, based on my circle of college-aged friends, that if there was a party with at least 40 heads SOMEONE would be posting pictures and status updates. Then again, those things could be easily deleted..

RIGHT?!!!!!!

THAT really bothers me.

 

[Public_Hysteria]

The thing is, is anyone else who was at the party missing or unaccounted for? Anyone who could be "holding" her captive? If not, if everyone is accounted for, then that does not look good for Adrienne, assuming someone she met that night took her.

Not that we've heard of, although, we haven't heard much so it's hard to say. I believe with the amount of people at the party it would be hard to track down every single person that was there, especially if there were friends of friends of friends of friends (etc) and it was an open door party. Maybe the locals would have more info on this?

I don't think the whole thing looks good for Adrienne at all. I don't believe she could have been held captive for this long (Ariel Castro has shown me that anything is possible, but I just don't believe it is likely in this case). I think that whoever took her (IF someone took her) would have left her quite soon after abducting her. The problem is, if this person had access to a car, Adrienne could be anywhere by now.

Thank you for your review!

I'm glad you mentioned the other scenarios to the arguement.. I think the social media comment that was mentioned earlier in this forum about a 'new girlfriend' (which I have yet to see with my own eyes) had me leaning towards an unexpected visitor.. but considering what you've noted, it now seems more plausable that the arguement was unrelated to a specific party guest but was more generic in nature (after all such bickering is very common in the on-off relationships that my close friends have experienced; and, my boyfriend and I just recently left a friends party for the same reason- arguing makes me crave privacy). I'm now also thinking that the arguement may have had less to do with her disappearance than I originally did-- since you've pointed out that there may be other explainations for her actions than just trying to avoid someone she didn't care for. I was thinking it would at least explain someone's motive for being involved in her disappearance, which as of now hasn't been very clear.

I'm trying to dig around on FB for indications of who might have attended the party, but its seeming fruitless. I would think, based on my circle of college-aged friends, that if there was a party with at least 40 heads SOMEONE would be posting pictures and status updates. Then again, those things could be easily deleted..

I think you might have been onto something with the 'other woman' though (it's as good as any scenario we have based on the limited information we have). Maybe the argument started off as bickering over jealousy, but didn't escalate until they left. It may have even been prompted by someone turning up at the party, or one of them getting upset over the amount of time the other was spending with someone of the opposite sex.

Jumping off this as a starting point, I mentioned in my last post that the driver could possibly have been another girl who was at the party, who came across as sympathetic and friendly, and offered Adrienne a lift. This girl could have been someone who had a grudge against Adrienne for whatever reason, possibly jealousy. We've seen plenty of cases recently with young girls killing other young girls, so this could be a possibility. Skylar Neese wasn't found for 6 months, the girls involved were only around 16 years of age, so I don't find it unreasonable to think that a 19 year old would be capable of a similar thing.

Again, this is JMO. I feel like I'm spinning in circles, and it maddens me that whatever theories we put up may be SO completely off base. I really wish we had more to go on, this is driving me crazy.

 

[cluciano63]

Unreal, and pretty awful, how quickly this case has gone out of the news.
When this happens, if LE is not talking, it falls on the family to get as much media as possible.

Maybe they should contact Marc Klass, of Klaas Kids. His group helps families with missing members of all ages. He also can give support and a lot of tips on what they can be doing.

 

[SandSage]

Unreal, and pretty awful, how quickly this case has gone out of the news.
When this happens, if LE is not talking, it falls on the family to get as much media as possible.

Maybe they should contact Marc Klass, of Klaas Kids. His group helps families with missing members of all ages. He also can give support and a lot of tips on what they can be doing.

I agree. Unfortunately, even the family doesn't seem to be doing much... the friends aren't... maybe they don't know HOW. Maybe Mark Klaas IS the answer. Would love to know what FindMe2 has done.

ETA: Seems Adrienne's dad was the only one who was really proactive anyhow.

ETA Pt II: Someone finally retweeted. Arrrrrgh.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

(for those believing there might be a connection between Douglas Ray George and AS disappearance, I found more info on George)

More info on Douglas Ray George:

Report says DRG and Begay Dated for 1 year.

He's 27 and works at local Tempe bar called Bogey's Bar(thanks SandSage!). His coworkers say they always thought there was something "Off" about him.

George has two prior charges in Oklahoma:

- 2011 - operating a vehicle w/ out a license.

- sept 2012 - Negligence (not specified)

On June 4th 2013, Annovedwin told the officers that George slammed her head into the car door at a Circle K after a Circle K employee called police and reported George "beating" Annovedwin.

George isn't saying much.

PIO officer says Annovedwin is a victim of domestic violence.

http://www.kpho.com/story/22600673/suspect-in-tempe-homicide-held-on-700000-bond

(in relation to Adrienne Salinas case, someone said she disappeared at the AMPM which threw off my mapping, but I now think according to most reports it was the Circle K. Makes sense also as AS family raised funds for her reward at the Circle K. I'm worried about this. Being the Same circle K George got his domestic battery/assault charge at just 2 weeks earlier. I will post this to her thread.)

"Two blocks from her home, Adrienne&#8217;s car ran up on a curb, flattening two of her tires. She then walked back to her apartment. At 5:05 that morning, Adrienne used her cellphone to call a taxi and asked the driver to meet her at a nearby Circle K convenience store."

http://kidnappingmurderandmayhem.blogspot.com/2013/06/help-find-adrienne-salinas.html?m=1

 

[SandSage]

Good morning.

No news. Nothing. Nada. Nilch. Nyet. :frown:

 

[SandSage]

He's 27 and works at local Tempe bar (reporter didn't specify). His coworkers say they always thought there was something "Off" about him.

Bogey's Bar. In the article you posted 2 Hip. <3

CIRCLE K? Maybe WENT to Circle K and Taxi went to AM/PM?!