AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #2

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  • #641
I think drug use, especially illegal drugs no matter how commonly used by the public, should be considered in cases like this. It is an indication that she had an "in" with an individuals or an individual that dealt drugs and were on the fringes of society.
 
  • #642
She may have waited to text him so he couldn't tell her not to come. That way she could tell him too late, already in a cab, if he replied.

IMO I would go whether or not he told me not to come. If I had been fighting, its mostly all about what I WANT in that moment. If he said not to, I would go and if he was really upset I showed up.. more fighting for me! And now I can rampage and yell about he didn't care to pick up my calls and I gotten into an accident.. Reverse psych.
 
  • #643
The dealer could have even been at the party earlier that night to drop off some "favors".... That might be the connection..
 
  • #644
IMO I would go whether or not he told me not to come. If I had been fighting, its mostly all about what I WANT in that moment. If he said not to, I would go and if he was really upset I showed up.. more fighting for me! And now I can rampage and yell about he didn't care to pick up my calls and I gotten into an accident.. Reverse psych.

Oh she was going. No doubt about that. Just did not get there.
 
  • #645
IMO I would go whether or not he told me not to come. If I had been fighting, its mostly all about what I WANT in that moment. If he said not to, I would go and if he was really upset I showed up.. more fighting for me! And now I can rampage and yell about he didn't care to pick up my calls and I gotten into an accident.. Reverse psych.

Yes or when you show up you could say you are sorry and have a joint on you to express how you just want to chill out and say you're sorry. No more fighting. The wreck was a wake up call of how much I need you... That old whole chestnut....
 
  • #646
Wow she sounds like an avid smoker. Paraphernalia AND papers? Usually people just pick one or the other. IMHO


She perhaps could be, or just have the bowl because IMO its easier to have and quick in those times she's alone.


Maybe she could have met up with a dealer.. but that late though? I'd be more considerate, unless they had showed up to the party also. IMO Most transactions are quick, and I wouldn't think she would walk to ampm just for that. They could have come to her apt (more secluded, less cameras), maybe offer a ride. I think her phone log would have been checked so I doubt she called anyone else.

JMO.
 
  • #647
I really think her whole focus was getting rid of stuff linking her to the wreck (clothing, ID) and getting to the BF's. She did not want to deal with cops or roommates who might try to prevent her from going. She must have been a bit obsessed, at least that night.
 
  • #648
Great point. Yes I hope they've done this already. There is a complex with a restaurant and other businesses on the walk from her Apt to the AMPM.

There is also a nice apartment complex across the street from where she would presumably walk from the apartment to AMPM. I think most of the CCTV cameras at traffic lights are now gone due to a bill being passed to axe them back in 2011, so the oh street cameras I know of now are along the highways/highway exits.


the walk from hardy/brown to ampm is not exactly like being at a shopping mall and under super surveillance....imo

there is a decent GATED condo area near the park on west side, but the apts behind the auto parts store, is anything but nice. and a lot of beat up cars and empty lots to west of park on hardy... gated weird dumps of trash, i saw in few yards, too.

her apt area, SOMETIMES people park on that street but i do believe the parking is in rear of those apts, esp for residents. the park doesnt have proper street parking on the hardy street, its more east of it, IVE SEEN cabs wait in that lot actually at park... for what, who knows!
surveillance in park? perhaps. at her apts? not sure. but, im gonna say, prob not at her apts, at least

aside from the ampm, i dont think there is much of any other surveillance in area. i have confidence that the police would of checked all this, and cars if there were any in area on a cam... dont forget they CANVASSED this area, and actually gained entrance to many houses for investigation. i cant remember if the mini grocery store is even open in that ampm lot anymore, it was sorta a day old bread budget place... i think its closed.


brown/roosevelt is about the furthest thing from some area that is covered w surveillance cameras, note the boarded up house on the corner if u check google images. its the same now as that pic.

or the route to her apt... this area is NOT maximum security cam'd, at best when she jettd from bf on mill ave, she MIGHT be on a cam there. mill ave, on any of those corners at 5th? yeah, shes prob on a cam there. as she somehow left her bfs car, and was later picked up by her roomie.

again, i have 100% confidence in esp. POOLEY (le) checking out ANY cams in this area.


the lake, mucho cameras. esp by bridge/damn and tempe art center which is the nearest landmark from hardy, imo.

i think that IF she got abducted, it happened quick. was she 'groomed'
all night by a stalker(s) or kidnap ninja? why did she have front end damage in her crash? the median, in middle of salado is NOT big enough to damage a front end of car, unless she hit a bridge PILLAR? then, if she did that, thats a pretty severe crash.

for real. the notion that she wasnt driving, or had someone in car with her making it a dangerous scenario, i think is at the very least, plausible.
 
  • #649
the walk from hardy/brown to ampm is not exactly like being at a shopping mall and under super surveillance....imo

there is a decent GATED condo area near the park on west side, but the apts behind the auto parts store, is anything but nice. and a lot of beat up cars and empty lots to west of park on hardy... gated weird dumps of trash, i saw in few yards, too.

her apt area, SOMETIMES people park on that street but i do believe the parking is in rear of those apts, esp for residents. the park doesnt have proper street parking on the hardy street, its more east of it, IVE SEEN cabs wait in that lot actually at park... for what, who knows!
surveillance in park? perhaps. at her apts? not sure. but, im gonna say, prob not at her apts, at least

aside from the ampm, i dont think there is much of any other surveillance in area. i have confidence that the police would of checked all this, and cars if there were any in area on a cam... dont forget they CANVASSED this area, and actually gained entrance to many houses for investigation. i cant remember if the mini grocery store is even open in that ampm lot anymore, it was sorta a day old bread budget place... i think its closed.


brown/roosevelt is about the furthest thing from some area that is covered w surveillance cameras, note the boarded up house on the corner if u check google images. its the same now as that pic.

or the route to her apt... this area is NOT maximum security cam'd, at best when she jettd from bf on mill ave, she MIGHT be on a cam there. mill ave, on any of those corners at 5th? yeah, shes prob on a cam there. as she somehow left her bfs car, and was later picked up by her roomie.

again, i have 100% confidence in esp. POOLEY (le) checking out ANY cams in this area.


the lake, mucho cameras. esp by bridge/damn and tempe art center which is the nearest landmark from hardy, imo.

i think that IF she got abducted, it happened quick. was she 'groomed'
all night by a stalker(s) or kidnap ninja? why did she have front end damage in her crash? the median, in middle of salado is NOT big enough to damage a front end of car, unless she hit a bridge PILLAR? then, if she did that, thats a pretty severe crash.

for real. the notion that she wasnt driving, or had someone in car with her making it a dangerous scenario, i think is at the very least, plausible.

You and I have gone over the cams in the area before. Just letting amoralways get an idea of the closest area that might have cameras like the lot near the corner of uni and hardy (if she ever made it that far) or that big apt complex on the other side of hardy facing the park/aforementioned business lot.

I Defo always take your ride throughs into consideration when assuming locations I promise. You're the one on ground doing the literal footwork, not I! Thank you again for all you've done.

I'm sure they e already checked all plausible surveillance in the area, like you said.
 
  • #650
I'm worried that she thought she could get a ride after she called the cab, but for some reason that ride fell through so she called the cab back to tell him she'd be there in 1 minute. Cab was plan A, taking a ride from a friend/acquaintance was plan B?

It's as if she could have possibly had another alternate form of transport to go up to Scottsdale after calling the cab. But for some reason she didn't want to take the ride from that transport/friend and decided to head on out to the cab and go back to plan A last minute?
 
  • #651
She perhaps could be, or just have the bowl because IMO its easier to have and quick in those times she's alone.


Maybe she could have met up with a dealer.. but that late though? I'd be more considerate, unless they had showed up to the party also. IMO Most transactions are quick, and I wouldn't think she would walk to ampm just for that. They could have come to her apt (more secluded, less cameras), maybe offer a ride. I think her phone log would have been checked so I doubt she called anyone else.

JMO.

Unless the dealer had been at the party or lived in her complex.

You and I deduce info well together. You're a fun sleuthing buddy!
 
  • #652
someone who knows rocky point as a salinas has been noted to go there multiple times; who most likely (as she isn't exactly a homely girl,) had made friends and was probably very much 'liked' in the bars/beach scene, is a totally diff experience, (esp if she speaks the language!,) from me or anyone going down there who is not accustomed to the town/culture.

that being said, If she is down there, it would be absolute insanity. but, its a theory, and from posts prior, i guess LE has definitely gone over those possibilities.

Goblin, thank you for this post!

Sometimes when I think of all the events leading up to Adrienne's disappearance I feel like she had more motivation to disappear than an abductor had the opportunity to snatch her. My heart just breaks for her when I think of the heartbreak and the pain and the fear she must have been experiencing at that time. That is a lot to bear for anyone and especially one so young and hopeful. I know that with her being gone for nearly a month now, the odds are that if she had chosen to disappear herself that surely by now she would have come back home or at least made contact with her family to let them know she is okay. But whatever the odds are, I am still hoping she is out there somewhere, possibly trying to find a way to come home, maybe dealing with a nervous breakdown, perhaps with priests or nuns who are trying to help her. I am praying no matter what the circumstances she is still alive and will return soon.

Please don't give up hope for Adrienne. Hope is all we have!!!
 
  • #653
I think drug use, especially illegal drugs no matter how commonly used by the public, should be considered in cases like this. It is an indication that she had an "in" with an individuals or an individual that dealt drugs and were on the fringes of society.


Yes, she had connections. I wonder if one of these connections may have tried to help her. I can imagine her very distraught and probably in tears. Someone may have truly tried to console her.
 
  • #654
They need to check the damn Gila Bend.
 
  • #655
From what we know, I do not believe she could keep from contacting the BF for more than a day, especially if she was feeling threatened by another woman or shaky about her relationship with him.
 
  • #656
Yes, she had connections. I wonder if one of these connections may have tried to help her. I can imagine her very distraught and probably in tears. Someone may have truly tried to console her.

Yes I believe possibly her dealer was at the party earlier. Perhaps he lives in her same complex as many ppl utilize dealers near by as far as POT and college living goes.

She could have headed to his place after changing to see if he was still up and if she could smoke.

OR

he could have been leaving the apartment around the time she arrived back at her apartment - and offered to deal her some green as well as give her a ride after she was done changing. She got into his car, but the dealer creeped her out after she bought the pot and decided to call the cab and let cabbie know she was still showing up and not far away.

The dealer/acquaintance became angry and assaulted her/turned her phone off after finding she wasn't going to take his offer for a ride up to Scottsdale.

Anythings possible. I'm open to any theories practically.
 
  • #657
Yeah I agree but majority young folks especially when comes to MJ don't necessarily factor in the possibilities. I know people that have had wisdom teeth pulled and right after decided to smoke a joint and also with some that had bronchitis. Smoke is smoke whether one is more harsh or not.

I would check surveillance cameras in every close vicinity of exiting her apartment complex/neighborhood. Check vehicles between 4am - 530am and possibly link someone to her college or in the area. Its far fetched but if nothing comes up, you'll have a list of vehicles seen in the area ( if there are cameras).

Also interesting, at 4:23 the call was made for the cab and the closest was 20 minutes away. Why wait 20 mins exactly or until that time to text your bf "coming over" I would still be trying to get in contact with him to be sure he was awake, in fear of being stranded if in fact she was the one to call.

That's such an interesting question. You know, I have wondered if it could be possible that after she hit the median and sped off that her car might have been driving so crippled that someone could have seen it and heard it and followed her to give aid. They could have offered to take her somewhere and possibly she asked to be dropped at the AMPM rather than her apartment. But once in the car with them she might have changed her mind and had them take her home to her apartment. Perhaps she called the cab while she thought she was en route to the AMPM before changing her mind. Then once she got home and changed clothes she texted boyfriend she was coming over.

Then she saw the cabbie had called her and she called back saying she would be there in a minute, because possibly the Good Samaritan was waiting for her outside.

I have a blank here... Maybe because I don't want to think of what might have happened next.

But she spoke with someone. The Good Samaritan. A neighbor. A pedestrian walking by. A bicyclist. A party straggler. Dealer? Maybe, but I find this less plausible myself.

Maybe she took her little dog outside for a short walk. She might have spoken with other dog walkers at the time. Then say she took the dog back in but her kitty got out and went up a tree. Remember the cat in the tree photo? But she accidentally locks herself out. Her phone battery dies and she can't wake her roommates.

She sets out walking to the boyfriends....

(All my imagination....)
 
  • #658
I can't think past any scenario other than Adrienne being determined to get to the BF. Don't believe she stopped to do anything else or thought of anything else, besides distancing herself from police/wreck and making her way over to his house.
 
  • #659
IMO I would go whether or not he told me not to come. If I had been fighting, its mostly all about what I WANT in that moment. If he said not to, I would go and if he was really upset I showed up.. more fighting for me! And now I can rampage and yell about he didn't care to pick up my calls and I gotten into an accident.. Reverse psych.

Yep!! That's the way it would have been with me too.
 
  • #660
That's such an interesting question. You know, I have wondered if it could be possible that after she hit the median and sped off that her car might have been driving so crippled that someone could have seen it and heard it and followed her to give aid. They could have offered to take her somewhere and possibly she asked to be dropped at the AMPM rather than her apartment. But once in the car with them she might have changed her mind and had them take her home to her apartment. Perhaps she called the cab while she thought she was en route to the AMPM before changing her mind. Then once she got home and changed clothes she texted boyfriend she was coming over.

Then she saw the cabbie had called her and she called back saying she would be there in a minute, because possibly the Good Samaritan was waiting for her outside.

I have a blank here... Maybe because I don't want to think of what might have happened next.

But she spoke with someone. The Good Samaritan. A neighbor. A pedestrian walking by. A bicyclist. A party straggler. Dealer? Maybe, but I find this less plausible myself.

Maybe she took her little dog outside for a short walk. She might have spoken with other dog walkers at the time. Then say she took the dog back in but her kitty got out and went up a tree. Remember the cat in the tree photo? But she accidentally locks herself out. Her phone battery dies and she can't wake her roommates.

She sets out walking to the boyfriends....

(All my imagination....)

I think a drug dealer is more likely to abduct a client than a complete stranger abduction just by sheer statistics of stranger abduction vs abduction/rape/assault by a friend/acquaintance.


ALMOST no one at the party is a suspect bc MOST have been questioned and accounted for (except for a few who are still unaccounted for? Why? Are they being protected bc they helped supply party favors? Who would rat on a dealer?!)

IMHO
 
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