AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #3

[cluciano63]

I am assuming LE has identified the car, and Adrienne, since they are not asking for help.

 

[margarita25]

I am assuming LE has identified the car, and Adrienne, since they are not asking for help.

That's what I'm thinking (and hoping).

Either they're building their case, or they have ruled out the car (or maybe they're waiting on forensic enhancement to come back?)

 

[WideOpen]

I am always learning here...
I was assuming that they would follow up on this video with confirming or denying it was Adrienne. In lots of cases I have followed I think LE comes out and positively identifies the person or the family confirms.

Why did LE release the information if they do not need help identifying her?

 

[CuriousGrace]

Nice post.

I'm afraid I agree, the part I bolded is pretty much what this comes down to, whoever the responsible party/parties turn out to be. "She was a young, vulnerable, upset girl, walking the streets at an early hour on her own. Unfortunately that very rarely ends well."

I said that earlier in the thread, too. Her circumstances were not going to work to her advantage. When we tread the territory of random foul play it makes it that much harder to locate her. JMO

 

[MissDemeanor]

I can't imagine that they have just now obtained the surveillance tapes from O'Reilly's. I would think they had them a month ago. Would they search the lake without first obtaining surveillance tapes from all businesses nearby? Especially on the way to the AM/PM? Why hold this info back and release it just now, if that is the case?

 

[CuriousGrace]

I am confused, what has been reported on the web that can not be stated here?

Is the dark, four door vehicle seen now the main player in her disappearce? Was the occupant(s) watching and waiting for the right time to pounce, possibly seeing her becoming increasingly distressed with the ex not picking up her calls? How can they not obtain and release more details on this vehicle? JMO.

 

[margarita25]

Buzz relates to new witness coming fwd re: another possible passenger in the car?

 

[MissDemeanor]

Personally I don't think it's anything new, but that's just my opinion. The same old dangle the carrot routine that's been going on for weeks now.

 

[CuriousGrace]

Personally I don't think it's anything new, but that's just my opinion. The same old dangle the carrot routine that's been going on for weeks now.

I agree. I have been following as much as possible (thank you all for your tireless hardwork and dedication) - there has been no strong breakthroughs. I am under the impression LE have had very little to work on - except witness statements and phone records. I really believe someone random has spotted her before or after those phone calls to the cab company and/or bf and have pulled over and lured her into their vehicle under the false premise of assisting her. I believe they could have possibly been watching her for up to 20 to 30 minutes. And from reading about the situation - she would have been a likely candidate for abducation. Late at night, young, petite, alone on the street, phone dead, intoxicated, lost etc. JMO

 

[kymas3434]

I agree. I have been following as much as possible (thank ya'll for your tireless hardwork and dedication) - there has been no strong breakthroughs. I am under the impression LE have had very little to work on - except witness statements and phone records. I really believe someone random has spotted her before or after those phone calls to the taxi company and/or bf and have pulled over and lured her into their vehicle under the false premise of assisting her. I believe they could have possibly been watching her for up to 20 to 30 minutes. And from reading about the situation - she would have been a likely candidate for abdication. Late at night, alone on the street, phone dead, intoxicated, lost etc. JMO

I do not think this is random. I think she either ran away and did a hell of a job vanishing on her own or the cab driver took her.

 

[margarita25]

Ok. So, even if there was another passenger in the car, how would this fit into her seen walking alone afterwards? (It does show deception and someone not coming forth...)

I'm thinking she was abducted at 5:06, likely by someone who saw her walking alone, very possibly random perp or George (theory of the moment, subject to change, lol).

5:06, maybe the perp was intoxicated? Out all night and looking for trouble?

What does George drive?

Also, can it be confirmed that Adrienne herself made the call to the cab company saying she'll be there in a minute?

:banghead:

<edit: I need some sort of visual, graphic timeline with icons or something, I attempted a color coded one a while back and got frustrated and deleted it. Going to try to come up with something again, lol). You guys have done a great job here posting the timelines, etc., but my brain is just not absorbing any of this.>

 

[CuriousGrace]

I do not think this is random. I think she either ran away and did a hell of a job vanishing on her own or the cab driver took her.

If the cab driver took then that would be considered random foul play though? She would have been the unfortunate person who was collected by a driver who was a predator.

If she ran away on her own accord - I truly believe she should have resurfaced by now. I do not believe she is okay, wherever she is. She had absolutely zero means to support herself beyond a month and she clearly loved her boyfriend (no matter how unstable the relationship was), I would have assume whatever happened she would want to see him. After all, she went to great lengths (including driving intoxicated) in an attempt to see him after their argument.

JMO

 

[MissDemeanor]

One would think that a dark 4 door sedan, seen on a surveillance tape at 4:54 am would be easily identified as to at least the make and model. It's not that dark at that time and surely there is some lighting in that parking lot as well. What good are surveillance tapes if you can't discern what is on them?

 

[CuriousGrace]

Ok. So, even if there was another passenger in the car, how would this fit into her seen walking alone afterwards? (It does show deception and someone not coming forth...)

I'm thinking she was abducted at 5:06, likely by someone who saw her walking alone, very possibly random perp or George (theory of the moment, subject to change, lol).

5:06, maybe the perp was intoxicated? Out all night and looking for trouble?

What does George drive?

Also, can it be confirmed that Adrienne herself made the call to the cab company saying she'll be there in a minute?

:banghead:

<edit: I need some sort of visual, graphic timeline with icons or something, I attempted a color coded one a while back and got frustrated and deleted it. Going to try to come up with something again, lol). You guys have done a great job here posting the timelines, etc., but my brain is just not absorbing any of this.>

Agreed - sensing abduction at this point with your similar timings and bearings.

And agreed - we need visual MAPS!!! Clear maps with timelines to assist all us non locals! Where is Otto, Holly and PIM when you need them (hoping they are reading this :seeya

 

[Tonto]

Going back to the possibility of time discrepancies on the reported times/locations of her believed last known whereabouts (on camera outside of OReillys), the dark sedan, and the cabbie's story - I don't believe there are any discrepancies. I believe that the police confirmed with OReilly's whether or not their time was correctly calibrated before releasing it to the media. Likewise, I believe they verified times on both Adrienne's and the cabbie's phone calls/texts.

In other words, I believe the reported times are accurate and have been confirmed to be accurate. As such, the story of a certain individual doesn't add up at all, and I'd love to know if he was driving one of his dark sedans that evening/morning.

 

[MissDemeanor]

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have been following as much as possible (thank you all for your tireless hardwork and dedication) - there has been no strong breakthroughs. I am under the impression LE have had very little to work on - except witness statements and phone records.

Thank you as well! I agree on no strong breakthroughs. What we do have isn't very much and lately the reports we have been getting seem to contradict earlier ones. e.g.: Reports of Adrienne's and the BF's argument leading up to when they first left the apartment to go to his place. Most reports say he suggested they leave and go to his place and now there are new reports saying she told him to get out and then got in his car with him and told him to take her to his place. So how are we to know what to believe?

 

[MissDemeanor]

Another thing, in the latest news are reports about when she first went to the BFs place and he went outside for "some air". This has not been previously reported. I know he isn't a suspect but I'm just curious as to if he might have been on the phone talking to someone, maybe someone at the party, about her behavior that night. It could be relevant. Also, when he took her back and she got out of his car at 5th and Mill. The latest report I have read now states that she left her cell phone on his car seat and he got out to take it to her and then called her roommate, who reportedly got on her bicycle around 3am to go searching for her, but to no avail (as was reported). I'm surprised that a young girl would go jumping on her bicycle at that time of morning to go find someone. JMHO

 

[MissDemeanor]

Until we have confirmation that it was indeed Adrienne who was the slender woman on that surveillance tape and they have identified the vehicle, I am going to continue to go with the more substantiated evidence (or lack of it) that we have been presented, so forgive me for not pursuing the cab company theory at this time.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

have there been confirmation that the woman seen on the tape in the parking lot WAS in fact our Adrienne? Several posts are asserting that and I want to make sure I see where this was reported. I understand the thoughts that the TPD must have confirmed it is her, but do we really have any sort of confirmation in MSM?

ETA: MissD kinda saying same thing upthread. Thanks.

I agree that something is breaking loose in this - not sure what, but it seems like something. Adrienne's story is suddenly within every newscast I have seen in the last 2 days.

I never had any doubt that she was driving alone, erratically, as she was angry, enraged, passionate, upset, sad - whatever adjective fits - and in a hurry to get to her BF. Have not found anything about a new witness suggesting a second person in the car then (I will keep looking) but then where did that person go afterwards?

Occam's Razor. Broken record.

 

[margarita25]

Re: the fog surrounding my brain in this case and my inability to absorb the events presented in the timelines, a "dramatic reenactment" like they do on I.D. might be rather helpful right now.