AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #3

[2Hip2BSquare]

I find it interesting that Adrienne's first roommate (won't name names) who said she saw AS leave the apartment with her bag and belongings to head to Scottsdale - I find it interesting her take on the story is not being reported anymore.

In fact it seems like anyone who was a source from before inside the party (besides Rebecca and the bf) have dropped off as a credible source of info.

Does it seem like this to anyone else? As if now LE isn't going by the 1st roommates account anymore for some reason? Maybe they figured out it might be bogus and Rebecca's account actually was the more valid/credible one?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I'll be back to catch up on what I'll be missing and have missed.
As well as the new timeline.

Off to see The Conjuring!

Omg I heard that was awesome!!! Let us know how it went. Have fun and BE SAFE! Cheers and love.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I remember at one point reports even tried to claim that when AS got out of her BFs car on mill, the bf called this first roommate (who's fallen off the radar in recent reports) to pick up Salinas in her car.

Why now has the story changed to Rebecca on the bike looking for AS and being who the bf called???

 

[mamacita]

Omg mama - we've so been needing you here...

awww thanks for the love :grouphug:

i haven't been able to stop thinking about adrienne even though i've been so busy! i'm glad ya'll have kept the wheels turning while i've been away!

so, about this surveillance video. i wonder what the woman in the video was wearing and if it was anything like what adrienne might have in her wardrobe? maybe the dark sedan was someone else that had been at the party and "happened upon her" while she was walking and asked what she was up to... she told them she was going to get a cab to go back to her boyfriends but the cabbie was lagging a little so she was trying to kill time (and had previously crashed her car so wanted to know what time the store opened in the morning), so maybe they chatted it up for a few minutes, the sedan driver offered to "drive her to AMPM to meet the cabbie" (maybe the driver said they needed to go into AMPM to get something too), so she called the cabbie back when she got into the sedan (this is all IMO) to tell him she'd be there in a minute, because if she was in a car, she very well could have been there very quickly. then the sedan driver took her phone away from her and turned it off and the rest went down hill from there? the thing that concerns me is that the auto parts store is the only thing in that parking lot. it backs up to Hardy drive, so if someone was in the front of the auto parts store, they wouldn't be able to be seen from AMPM, which is across the street, directly behind the auto parts store.

all of this is JMO! but it's my comfortable interpretation of the events and a possible scenario. like many have said from the beginning, i feel like it was someone from that party and if not, then someone that she DID already know.

 

[WideOpen]

Another detail to add to the timeline.


http://www.azfamily.com/news/Missing...215943951.html eta; ooops looks like this article no longer exists

Quote:
At about 3:20 a.m., Artega called one of Salinas' roommates so she could meet her.
jmo

 

[mamacita]

Another detail to add to the timeline.


http://www.azfamily.com/news/Missing...215943951.html eta; ooops looks like this article no longer exists

Quote:
At about 3:20 a.m., Artega called one of Salinas' roommates so she could meet her.
jmo

thanks! i think i found a good version of the article that shows the same time, so im adding it to my timeline! great catch!

 

[WideOpen]

http://www.statepress.com/2013/07/09/family-of-missing-girl-heartbroken-as-search-nears-one-month/

He said by 2:30 p.m., he had spoken with Adrienne’s roommates and boyfriend, but no one had heard from her or seen her since early Saturday morning, so he made a missing persons call to Tempe Police.

Rick said he and Arteaga found Adrienne’s car later that day near Roosevelt and Brown streets.

“When we saw her car and saw both tires flat, we both just broke down,” he said. “We lost it a little bit, and we realized that she really was missing.”

jmo

 

[mamacita]

Based on the new time found in MSM and provided by WideOpen, i believe this to be the correct sequence of events as we know them so far:

Saturday, June 15th:
3:00am – “Last seen by roommates” when she left to go to boyfriend’s home (1). Her apartment is on Brown & Hardy (as relayed to us by WS members Goblinsolo & 2Hip2BSquare, found by watching news videos and doing a visual of the apartments in the area) previous reports reported her apartment as being on Ash Avenue (6) *There is a discrepancy here as there was a roommate that did see her after the argument with the boyfriend occurred and Adrienne returned home*
[unknown time] The boyfriend told LE that Adrienne was upset with him for talking to other people at the party and not paying enough attention to her. He said Adrienne asked him to leave but later followed him to his car and said she wanted him to drive her to Scottsdale so they could talk more. The argument continued during the drive and at his home. He later found her attempting to walk home, so he gave her a ride to 5th Street & Mill Avenue where she jumped out of his car and walked the rest of the way home (14).
3:20am - Adrienne’s boyfriend called one of her roommates to tell the roommate that Adrienne was walking home so she could meet her (15). The roommate, Rebecca Flores, told LE she went out on her bike to look for Adrienne but didn’t find her until she (Rebecca) returned back to the apartment. Rebecca said that Adrienne was “calmly upset” over the argument with her boyfriend (13).
[unknown time] After Adrienne & Rebecca spoke outside on the grass, Adrienne went upstairs to her room and packed a small bag but Rebecca didn’t see Adrienne leave (13).
3:44am – Police received a 911 call that Adrienne’s car had hit a median at Ash & Rio Salado Parkway. Passerby saw car driving erratically behind her, so she moved over and let the car pass. (4) The witness said the car passed her near the Rio Salado Parkway and struck a curb, flattening both the driver's-side tires.. the car sped off before the witness could check on the driver (13). Adrienne’s car was then driven less than a mile to Brown and Roosevelt. Police say that from there, she walked a ¼ mile back to her apartment where she changed clothes, leaving behind her wallet and keys. (9) Witness says “they” in her 911 call. Operator asked how many people she thought was in the car and the witness said she thought there were two, she thought she saw one in the passenger seat. (10).
4:10-4:17am – Adrienne’s cell phone called the boyfriend 11 times, but he didn’t answer. (4)
4:23am – Adrienne called the cab company requesting to be picked up at AMPM. Nearest driver was about 20 minutes away. Cab driver’s name is Tom (11).
4:30am – Person driving to work found naked woman’s body in the street. Not sure if this is related. Near McClintock and Baseline. (2) – this woman has since been identified and her boyfriend has been arrested for murder. Still unknown if related to Adrienne’s disappearance, but I’m keeping this on the timeline just in case, because of the timing.
4:43 or 4:47am – Text sent from Adrienne’s phone to boyfriend’s phone said she was going to his house. (1 & 4)
4:52am – A slender woman was seen in the west parking lot of O’Reilly’s Auto Parts on the surveillance cameras . Address is 1002 W. University Ave. (12) It has not been confirmed whether or not the woman seen is Adrienne.
4:54am – A dark 4 door sedan was seen heading northbound in the same parking lot 2 minutes later on the surveillance cameras (12).
5:00am – Last seen near Brown & Roosevelt streets. (3) Another reports states last seen at this location at 4:30am (7) -- not sure who she was last seen BY, or if this goes off pings, but this is also the same location her car was found.
5:04am – Cab driver (Tom) called Adrienne to make sure she was headed to the gas station. (11)
5:05am - Cab driver (Tom) called Adrienne to make sure she was headed to the gas station (again). (11) Previous reports indicated: Police said Adrienne called a cab company, but the cabbie couldn’t find her at a Tempe convenience store. (4) “Salinas asked for a driver to meet her at the AMPM gas station at the intersection of Hardy & University. Investigators told CBS 5 she never made it there” (5). LE saw surveillance of cab driver at AMPM but there was no sign of Adrienne there. LE subsequently questioned the cab driver and searched his home. AMPM is less than ¼ mile from Adrienne’s apartment. (9)
5:06am – Adrienne called the cab driver (Tom) saying she’d be there in a minute.
5:07am – Cab driver (Tom) called Adrienne again, looking for her, but the phone went to voicemail. (11) Her phone was turned off (1) or died (8).

Sunday, June 16th:
2:00pm – AS’s father found her car two blocks away from her apartment. (8)
Her Father called LE that afternoon. (8)

Other known info:
After leaving her disabled car, she walked less than a ¼ mile to her home and changed clothes and left again, leaving her wallet and keys behind. (9)
LE has questioned the cab driver and searched his home. Say he’s not a suspect at this time. (9) LE also took a DNA sample from cab driver (11).
LE did a sweep of Tempe Town Lake and found nothing. (9)
LE says that BF has been cleared and has fully cooperated. (10)
Cab procedures: "In a place like this, they would get out, look around, make sure the person wasn't in the store," Simon said. He said his son did just that but never saw Salinas. (11)
Francisco Arteaga told police Salinas was upset with him after a party at her apartment because she felt he “was not paying enough attention to her,” according to the report. (13)
Adrienne has a small dog that she never leaves home without bringing it or making sure someone will care for it while she’s gone (13).
The police report said Adrienne had no source of income and that her father gave her money for her living expenses, including $10 for gas a few days before she vanished. (14)
News footage of BF: http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/20130624missing-tempe-woman-reward.html
News footage of roommate: http://www.kpho.com/story/22676371/tempe-teen-still-missing-week-and-a-half-later

1: http://www.azcentral.com/community/...ching-missing-tempe-woman.html?nclick_check=1
2: http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/22601008/police-naked-body-of-woman-found-in-tempe-street
3: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...-missing-woman-Adrienne-Salinas#ixzz2WWHosmWu
4: http://www.azcentral.com/community/...sing-tempe-student-search-continues-abrk.html
5: http://www.kpho.com/story/22627002/...red?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
6: https://photos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/9109_599855283368143_1108049287_n.jpg
7: http://www.tempe.gov/index.aspx?page=31&recordid=1579
8: http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/20130624missing-tempe-woman-reward.html
9: http://www.kpho.com/story/22687012/...teen-makes-emotional-plea-for-her-safe-return
10: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...friends-step-up-search-for-missing-Tempe-girl
11: http://kpho.membercenter.worldnow.c...cab-company-called-by-missing-teen-speaks-out
12: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/adrienne-salinas-missing_n_3618785.html
13: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...linas-left-home-after-argument-with-boyfriend
14: http://www.azcentral.com/community/...tempe-missing-woman-friends-family-vigil.html
15: http://www.azfamily.com/news/Missing-Tempe-teen-new-information--215943951.html

 

[mamacita]

another possibility, a little different than my previous scenario is that maybe Adrienne got a ride to AMPM/auto parts store in the sedan (could have been a party-goer or even neighbor who either offered her the ride or said they needed to go to AMPM too). she might have wanted to check the hours of the auto parts store real quick, so they could have pulled up out of the camera's sight, she got out to go check the hours, went back and got into the car, called the cabbie because she realized he called her and she wanted him to know she'd be right there so he wouldn't leave.. but then the person in the sedan took and disabled her phone and took off with her.

this is all IMO and assuming that the girl on the video was Adrienne and the sedan was involved.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Yeah apparently she left his place in Scottsdale when he "went out for some air" and so he drove to find her and found her walking on Indian School Rd. where she got into his car and he proceeded to drive her back home. After this she gets out of the car on mill and 5th.

"Arteaga said he found Salinas walking toward Indian School Road and told her he would take her home. As he drove her back toward her apartment, he stopped at a red light at Fifth Street and Mill Avenue when Salinas opened the door, climbed out and started walking again."

http://www.kpho.com/story/22869930/police-report-sheds-light-prior-to-tempe-teens-disappearance

 

[mamacita]

another possibility, a little different than my previous scenario is that maybe Adrienne got a ride to AMPM/auto parts store in the sedan (could have been a party-goer or even neighbor who either offered her the ride or said they needed to go to AMPM too). she might have wanted to check the hours of the auto parts store real quick, so they could have pulled up out of the camera's sight, she got out to go check the hours, went back and got into the car, called the cabbie because she realized he called her and she wanted him to know she'd be right there so he wouldn't leave.. but then the person in the sedan took and disabled her phone and took off with her.

this is all IMO and assuming that the girl on the video was Adrienne and the sedan was involved.

quoting self here because i'm thinking aloud and in case anyone already read my last post.. maybe if Adrienne was in the sedan, they drove up on Hardy in between AMPM and the auto parts store... didn't see the taxi there yet, so she said "let's go check the auto parts store's hours since we have time", so they could have pulled up to the light at Hardy and University and turned right, then turned right into the auto parts store's parking lot, she got out, walked up to the store then walked back to the car, she got in the car, saw that the cabbie had called her, so she called him back and said she'd be there in a minute, hung up, told the sedan driver what the hours were, or if they did tire service, then the driver took her phone and started driving (this could account for the 2 minute time difference). and drove north through the parking lot to exit the driveway on the other side of the auto parts store and then who knows where.

i'm interested to know if any other surveillance cameras picked up the sedan around the same time (before or after the auto parts store).

all IMO, obviously.

 

[mamacita]

Yeah apparently she left his place in Scottsdale when he "went out for some air" and do he drove to find her and found her walking on Indian School Rd. where she got into his car and he proceeded to drive her back home. After this she gets out of the car on mill and 5th.

"Arteaga said he found Salinas walking toward Indian School Road and told her he would take her home. As he drove her back toward her apartment, he stopped at a red light at Fifth Street and Mill Avenue when Salinas opened the door, climbed out and started walking again."

http://www.kpho.com/story/22869930/police-report-sheds-light-prior-to-tempe-teens-disappearance

we need a mapper in here to pin point all of these spots that have been mentioned!

 

[mamacita]

anyone know the distance from AMPM to BFs house (approx)? did someone say that the taxi company had their rates on their website? if not, maybe there's an average rate that we could use to try to figure out what her fare would have been? not that this would REALLY help find her.. but it could tell us about how much money she'd have needed for the trip. there could be other reasons for why this might be helpful to know, but my mind is officially exhausted. i'll look into this stuff in the morning if no one else has by the time i wake up! good night yall!

 

[MissDemeanor]

anyone know the distance from AMPM to BFs house (approx)? did someone say that the taxi company had their rates on their website? if not, maybe there's an average rate that we could use to try to figure out what her fare would have been? not that this would REALLY help find her.. but it could tell us about how much money she'd have needed for the trip. there could be other reasons for why this might be helpful to know, but my mind is officially exhausted. i'll look into this stuff in the morning if no one else has by the time i wake up! good night yall!

I think you could gauge that it was approximately 7 or 8 miles to his place if when she left his house and began to walk he found her near Indian School Rd in Scottsdale.

 

[mamacita]

i've royally been a pain in the rear tonight with my timeline. (overwhelming much??) but i keep finding things to add to it and want to make sure that the morning crew has the latest and greatest. good night yall! tty in the morning! good news is that this new timeline closes the questionable gap we had between 3am and 3:44am. does anyone know how long it would take to drive from Adrienne's apartment to her BFs house?

Saturday, June 15th:
3:00am – “Last seen by roommates” when she left to go to boyfriend’s home (1). Her apartment is on Brown & Hardy (as relayed to us by WS members Goblinsolo & 2Hip2BSquare, found by watching news videos and doing a visual of the apartments in the area) previous reports reported her apartment as being on Ash Avenue (6) *There is a discrepancy here as there was a roommate that did see her after the argument with the boyfriend occurred and Adrienne returned home*
[unknown time] The boyfriend told LE that Adrienne was upset with him for talking to other people at the party and not paying enough attention to her. He said Adrienne asked him to leave but later followed him to his car and said she wanted him to drive her to Scottsdale so they could talk more. The argument continued during the drive and at his home (14). Arteaga said they continued to argue about their relationship, even when they arrived at his house, police said. Arteaga said during their argument inside the house, he stepped out to get some air and when he came back, Salinas was gone, police said. Arteaga said he found Salinas walking toward Indian School Road and told her he would take her home (16). So he gave her a ride to 5th Street & Mill Avenue where she jumped out of his car and walked the rest of the way home (14).
3:20am - Adrienne’s boyfriend called one of her roommates to tell the roommate that Adrienne was walking home so she could meet her (15). The roommate, Rebecca Flores, told LE she went out on her bike to look for Adrienne but didn’t find her until she (Rebecca) returned back to the apartment. Rebecca said that Adrienne was “calmly upset” over the argument with her boyfriend (13).
[unknown time] After Adrienne & Rebecca spoke outside on the grass, Adrienne went upstairs to her room and packed a small bag but Rebecca didn’t see Adrienne leave (13).
3:44am – Police received a 911 call that Adrienne’s car had hit a median at Ash & Rio Salado Parkway. Passerby saw car driving erratically behind her, so she moved over and let the car pass. (4) The witness said the car passed her near the Rio Salado Parkway and struck a curb, flattening both the driver's-side tires.. the car sped off before the witness could check on the driver (13). Adrienne’s car was then driven less than a mile to Brown and Roosevelt. Police say that from there, she walked a ¼ mile back to her apartment where she changed clothes, leaving behind her wallet and keys. (9) Witness says “they” in her 911 call. Operator asked how many people she thought was in the car and the witness said she thought there were two, she thought she saw one in the passenger seat. (10).
4:10-4:17am – Adrienne’s cell phone called the boyfriend 11 times, but he didn’t answer. (4)
4:23am – Adrienne called the cab company requesting to be picked up at AMPM. Nearest driver was about 20 minutes away. Cab driver’s name is Tom (11).
4:30am – Person driving to work found naked woman’s body in the street. Not sure if this is related. Near McClintock and Baseline. (2) – this woman has since been identified and her boyfriend has been arrested for murder. Still unknown if related to Adrienne’s disappearance, but I’m keeping this on the timeline just in case, because of the timing.
4:43 or 4:47am – Text sent from Adrienne’s phone to boyfriend’s phone said she was going to his house. (1 & 4)
4:52am – A slender woman was seen in the west parking lot of O’Reilly’s Auto Parts on the surveillance cameras . Address is 1002 W. University Ave. (12) It has not been confirmed whether or not the woman seen is Adrienne.
4:54am – A dark 4 door sedan was seen heading northbound in the same parking lot 2 minutes later on the surveillance cameras (12).
5:00am – Last seen near Brown & Roosevelt streets. (3) Another reports states last seen at this location at 4:30am (7) -- not sure who she was last seen BY, or if this goes off pings, but this is also the same location her car was found.
5:04am – Cab driver (Tom) called Adrienne to make sure she was headed to the gas station. (11)
5:05am - Cab driver (Tom) called Adrienne to make sure she was headed to the gas station (again). (11) Previous reports indicated: Police said Adrienne called a cab company, but the cabbie couldn’t find her at a Tempe convenience store. (4) “Salinas asked for a driver to meet her at the AMPM gas station at the intersection of Hardy & University. Investigators told CBS 5 she never made it there” (5). LE saw surveillance of cab driver at AMPM but there was no sign of Adrienne there. LE subsequently questioned the cab driver and searched his home. AMPM is less than ¼ mile from Adrienne’s apartment. (9)
5:06am – Adrienne called the cab driver (Tom) saying she’d be there in a minute.
5:07am – Cab driver (Tom) called Adrienne again, looking for her, but the phone went to voicemail. (11) Her phone was turned off (1) or died (8).

Sunday, June 16th:
2:00pm – AS’s father found her car two blocks away from her apartment. (8)
Her Father called LE that afternoon. (8)

Other known info:
After leaving her disabled car, she walked less than a ¼ mile to her home and changed clothes and left again, leaving her wallet and keys behind. (9)
LE has questioned the cab driver and searched his home. Say he’s not a suspect at this time. (9) LE also took a DNA sample from cab driver (11).
LE did a sweep of Tempe Town Lake and found nothing. (9)
LE says that BF has been cleared and has fully cooperated. (10)
Cab procedures: "In a place like this, they would get out, look around, make sure the person wasn't in the store," Simon said. He said his son did just that but never saw Salinas. (11)
Francisco Arteaga told police Salinas was upset with him after a party at her apartment because she felt he “was not paying enough attention to her,” according to the report. (13)
Adrienne has a small dog that she never leaves home without bringing it or making sure someone will care for it while she’s gone (13).
The police report said Adrienne had no source of income and that her father gave her money for her living expenses, including $10 for gas a few days before she vanished. (14)
News footage of BF: http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/20130624missing-tempe-woman-reward.html
News footage of roommate: http://www.kpho.com/story/22676371/tempe-teen-still-missing-week-and-a-half-later

1: http://www.azcentral.com/community/...ching-missing-tempe-woman.html?nclick_check=1
2: http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/22601008/police-naked-body-of-woman-found-in-tempe-street
3: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...-missing-woman-Adrienne-Salinas#ixzz2WWHosmWu
4: http://www.azcentral.com/community/...sing-tempe-student-search-continues-abrk.html
5: http://www.kpho.com/story/22627002/...red?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
6: https://photos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/9109_599855283368143_1108049287_n.jpg
7: http://www.tempe.gov/index.aspx?page=31&recordid=1579
8: http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/20130624missing-tempe-woman-reward.html
9: http://www.kpho.com/story/22687012/...teen-makes-emotional-plea-for-her-safe-return
10: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...friends-step-up-search-for-missing-Tempe-girl
11: http://kpho.membercenter.worldnow.c...cab-company-called-by-missing-teen-speaks-out
12: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/adrienne-salinas-missing_n_3618785.html
13: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...linas-left-home-after-argument-with-boyfriend
14: http://www.azcentral.com/community/...tempe-missing-woman-friends-family-vigil.html
15: http://www.azfamily.com/news/Missing-Tempe-teen-new-information--215943951.html
16: http://www.kpho.com/story/22869930/police-report-sheds-light-prior-to-tempe-teens-disappearance

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

She's so out of it in emotionally in some of these reports that I'm wondering if she had gotten a drink that was roofied at the party and that's why she started acting emotional/spontaneous in the first place? Sometimes ppl act really emotional at the onset of being roofied...

Not saying the bf would have done this, but someone at the party could have dosed her drink earlier. I worry that she could have been dosed again or drank from the same cup once she got back to her place after she was seen last by Rebecca

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

anyone know the distance from AMPM to BFs house (approx)? did someone say that the taxi company had their rates on their website? if not, maybe there's an average rate that we could use to try to figure out what her fare would have been? not that this would REALLY help find her.. but it could tell us about how much money she'd have needed for the trip. there could be other reasons for why this might be helpful to know, but my mind is officially exhausted. i'll look into this stuff in the morning if no one else has by the time i wake up! good night yall!

Working on exact distance for you

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

we need a mapper in here to pin point all of these spots that have been mentioned!

I'll get back to my mapping job if you keep up with your timeline job promise. Will start on it tonight.

 

[mamacita]

She's so out of it in emotionally in some of these reports that I'm wondering if she had gotten a drink that was roofied at the party and that's why she started acting emotional/spontaneous in the first place? Sometimes ppl act really emotional at the onset of being roofied...

Not saying the bf would have done this, but someone at the party could have dosed her drink earlier. I worry that she could have been dosed again or drank from the same cup once she got back to her place after she was seen last by Rebecca

very well could have been someone who had their eye on her that night and stayed close and possibly even offered to drive her to AMPM... knowing she'd be out of it any minute...

IMO

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

very well could have been someone who had their eye on her that night and stayed close and possibly even offered to drive her to AMPM... knowing she'd be out of it any minute...

IMO

Yes this is my fear