AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #5

[mamacita]

I'm interested in knowing if Adrienne was working when she disappeared. I think that it's a fact that should be known if possible. It goes to her state of mind and her ability to pay for her cab fare. MOO.

it could also mean she may have had an interested co-worker? maybe she even invited this co-worker (unsuspectingly) to the party?

just a thought.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Le probably knows pretty well who was at the party and so far, it has not helped them. They have been examining this party, with many more details than we have, for six weeks.

Regardless they keep asserting that they have accounted for MOST of the partygoers. Why not ALL? If theres even a chance that 1 or 2 aren't accounted for, I think that merits suspicion and further investigation/theory.

 

[mamacita]

I guess I am. I've forgotten my money before. Especially when changing clothes! I've left my money in my "car" or "other jeans" or "other jacket" or "other purse" or "backpack" or "kitchen counter" on several occasions...
And if she was upset, or distraught, or intoxicated, or had a head injury, or was going to get money from her boyfriend, there's no telling. Not to mention her dad said she had no money. I think either is possible (that she had money, or she didn't have money).

most of the time, when i'm not driving, i'll just put a little cash in my pocket and go (no ID, nothin..). BUT - i also tend to be a worrier, so i'll sometimes bring my debit card with me just in case something happened and i needed a lil extra cash. that'd be the only time i'd bring my ID with.. in case i needed identification to use my card. but if i didn't have any money in the bank to withdraw, i probably wouldn't bring my card OR ID.

just my 2 cents.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

it could also mean she may have had an interested co-worker? maybe she even invited this co-worker (unsuspectingly) to the party?

just a thought.

^^^ this!

Someone that wasn't a part of her close group of friends that have known each other since childhood or very well.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

A Work contact being at that party is a more viable option than school contact bc school was out at this point.

I could see her being at work however and mentioning Infront of the younger staff or a friend that she would be having a party that weekend and they were welcome to pop by and check it out.

 

[mamacita]

A Work contact being at that party is a more viable option than school contact bc school was out at this point.

I could see her being at work however and mentioning Infront of the younger staff or a friend that she would be having a party that weekend and they were welcome to pop by and check it out.

and if the proposed co-worker brought a friend? maybe a shady friend? i think a lot of people would bring a good friend of theirs with them if they were going to a party where they didn't know anyone except one of the hosts.

i guess in this situation, it wouldn't even have to be a co-worker. it could be someone she "knew" (or thought she did) that no one else really did..

 

[SandSage]

most of the time, when i'm not driving, i'll just put a little cash in my pocket and go (no ID, nothin..). BUT - i also tend to be a worrier, so i'll sometimes bring my debit card with me just in case something happened and i needed a lil extra cash. that'd be the only time i'd bring my ID with.. in case i needed identification to use my card. but if i didn't have any money in the bank to withdraw, i probably wouldn't bring my card OR ID.

just my 2 cents.

IMO, she grabbed a couple of bills from where ever she had her money and shoved it in her pocket. Thing is... house key. If she was planning on coming home and roomies weren't there to unlock the door... and her dog... she wasn't planning on being gone very long.

 

[margarita25]

BBM & SBM (bolded by me & snipped by me) -

Your post has reminded me about something that happened to me that I'd rather have continued to forget. And let me say up front, this was before cellphones or laptops or portable electronics of any kind.

I had been staying with a boyfriend for awhile during the year that I was 17 and we broke up and I'd moved back home but was very emotional about it still, crying over nothing and everything, you know. One of my (much older) brothers was having a small get together at his apartment and asked if I wanted to come and hang out at his place to get out of the house, change of scenery, maybe cheer me up a bit, so I went.

This was nice enough 30 something aged people and no craziness or anything, and in fact I was pretty bored and asked my brother to give me a ride home whenever he got a chance. I was going to wait until all his friends left so he could lock up and bring me back home but he told me that one of his good buddies was heading out now and could give me a ride. This guy was a total stranger to me but my brother was an upstanding guy, wore suits to work and stuff, cleancut, etc so I wasn't worried.

I remember sitting in the passenger seat and him reaching over once the car was going, and putting his hand on my left thigh. I was about 17 and he was in his 30s and I never saw him before, and I was alone in his moving vehicle and it was late and HIS HAND WAS ON MY THIGH.

I just froze and went someplace deep inside myself, became very quiet and tried to think what to do.

Then he turned and got onto the highway. I knew home wasn't this way.

I asked him, "where are you going?" and he said "this is just a little short cut".

I said it wasn't, and with his hand still on my thigh I at that point blanked out whatever else happened, because all I recall now, 20 + years later, is him finally pulling into hte driveway at my mother's house and me getting out and going inside and sobbing inconsolably for ages before calling my brother and screaming at him for what his friend had just done to me. He couldn't believe it, he was in shock and never doubted me but could not believe that someone he'd known for YEARS could be like that.

anyway.
Adrienne's story suddenly reminded me of my own.

My brother knew the guy so well, they were longtime buddies, why wouldn't I feel safe taking the ride that he set up for me? KWIM?

Hugs GGE. So many of us here have experienced similar circumstances. In Terrilyn's thread, many of us discussed being roofied, etc.
($%^&*()#!! I'm so sorry!!

Adrienne's story reminds me a lot of my college days, walking home alone at night, parties, fights with boyfriends, etc. It scares me to think about my vulnerability back then and my own poor decisions, accepting drinks from strangers, etc etc. I think that's one reason this case hits at me so hard, is because it could have been me back then, and it could even be me today. There are perv perps everywhere just looking for an opportunity to take advantage of an unsuspecting female. The difference for me today is that I'm no longer unsuspecting. Just yesterday this happened:

Yesterday I was walking when it started pouring down rain and lightning (lightning has been sooo bad here in Colorado this month). A man in a truck, approx age 40-50, pulled up next to me and offered me a ride. I politely declined. He said, "Are you sure? I don't want you to get struck by lightning." Again, I politely declined. He said, "I'm a good guy, I'll make sure you get where you need to go safely" (or something very close to that). I declined a third time and he drove off. Maybe he was "a good guy". Maybe he wasn't. Either way, I decided to take my chances on being struck by lightning.

The point of all this is that nobody ever knows anyone. And the old saying is as good as gold today as when it was first invented. NEVER EVER EVER accept a ride from a stranger. (Of course, in your case GGE, he wasn't a stranger bc your brother thought he knew him and trusted him. That must have been very hard for your brother too. )

 

[OldSteve]

A Work contact being at that party is a more viable option than school contact bc school was out at this point.

I could see her being at work however and mentioning Infront of the younger staff or a friend that she would be having a party that weekend and they were welcome to pop by and check it out.

Considering the size of the party, I've been amazed there were no noise complaints, etc... a large party would also attract attention... wonder if any there could had crashed and not even known to be there by LE....

OT but good point!

Yesterday I was walking when it started pouring down rain and lightning (lightning has been sooo bad here in Colorado this month). A man in a truck, approx age 40 or 50, pulled up next to me and offered me a ride. I politely declined. He said, "Are you sure? I don't want you to get struck by lightning." Again, I politely declined. He said, "I'm a good guy, I'll make sure you get where you need to go safely" (or something very close to that). I declined a third time and he drove off. Maybe he was "a good guy". Maybe he wasn't. Either way, I decided to take my chances on being struck by lightning.

The point of all this is that nobody ever knows anyone. And the old saying is as good as gold today as when it was first invented. NEVER EVER EVER accept a ride from a stranger.

Yes, yes! Even if he had good intentions to start with, never know how what can happen once you are in his truck!

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

What do you mean by "more than erratic" ? I can't find a better description myself for the way she was driving.

Driving like a bat outta hell ? Lol (thinks of that funny old Meatloaf song "like a bat outta hell!")


I've been known to do that once or twice when I was a kid and POd and just wanted to get the drive over with and to the location already. Hell I still do it now from time to time if it's been "one of THOSE days"

 

[SandSage]

A Work contact being at that party is a more viable option than school contact bc school was out at this point.

I could see her being at work however and mentioning Infront of the younger staff or a friend that she would be having a party that weekend and they were welcome to pop by and check it out.

2Hip... she was in school according to the school projects she posted on instagram. Summer courses were in session... I bring this up only because I wondered about a classmate as well.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Considering the size of the party, I've been amazed there were no noise complaints, etc... a large party would also attract attention... wonder if any there could had crashed and not even known to be there by LE....

When I went to college/ASU parties in Tempe, it was almost understood which complexes were filled with more "party friendly" neighbors. I had a party at 19 in my apartment on Southern and Dorsey Ln. I literally had people walk in there and walk out that I for the life of me had no clue who they were - but hey that's Tempe. That night i backed my car into another car in my complex (going to pick up a boy I liked to bring them back to the party). I offered the owner a check up front for damage to make sure she wouldn't call the cops. I told her to keep the blank check as insurance and my info and to send me 3 quotes for the damage. Whatever quote seemed fair she could write in the amount on the blank check and use it to fix her car door. I don't remember much more from that night drinkin.

Point is Tempe is a big college party town. You set your Keg on the deck and everyone visits it outside to fill up like any other college party. There's stragglers, there's comers and goers, there's the people that pass out in their cars bc they can't stay at the party but are too drunk to drive home...

Possibilities are endless.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

2Hip... she was in school according to the school projects she posted on instagram. Summer courses were in session... I bring this up only because I wondered about a classmate as well.

Oh I was confused as her mom or dad had mentioned that AS was excited to go back to school.

Thank you!

 

[SandSage]

Oh I was confused as her mom or dad had mentioned that AS was excited to go back to school.

Thank you!

Looks like she was taking an art class...

Confused=the general state of mind caused by this disappearance. Thus, you are perfectly normal.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Looks like she was taking an art class...

Confused=the general state of mind caused by this disappearance. Thus, you are perfectly normal.

Thank you sand . Very kind of you.

Hope your morning is going beautifully!
(given this nasty monsoon stuff which I'm hoping will unearth more evidence rather than wash it away...)

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[illdigya]

IMO, she grabbed a couple of bills from where ever she had her money and shoved it in her pocket. Thing is... house key. If she was planning on coming home and roomies weren't there to unlock the door... and her dog... she wasn't planning on being gone very long.

Wasn't it stated that her dad found the door to her apartment open? And she was theoretically able to get in without being noticed - maybe they didn't keep the door locked. When I had roommates we frequently left the door unlocked out of convenience (well until our house was burglarized). So maybe keys weren't really necessary.

I don't know about the dog. Its between 4-5am, I could leave at that time and not have to worry about my dog until say 11 or noon.

Mostly though, if I was going out on a mission at 5am, I would carry as little as possible to not look like a target and also to be able to get away quickly if something scary came up.

Did Cab Guy ever say if she was a familiar customer?

 

[SandSage]

Thank you sand . Very kind of you.

Hope your morning is going beautifully!
(given this nasty monsoon stuff which I'm hoping will unearth more evidence rather than wash it away...)
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Thank you. <3

Hoping the storms wait until I'm home this evening so I can sit inside and ENJOY them.

Cars at Gila (and / or Salt River Pima). Yes. And trunks... :-/

*squeezes eyes shut and shakes head to make the image go away*

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Thank you. <3

Hoping the storms wait until I'm home this evening so I can sit inside and ENJOY them.

Cars at Gila (and / or Salt River Pima). Yes. And trunks... :-/

*squeezes eyes shut and shakes head to make the image go away*

Yeah (shakes head, too.) right there with you.

 

[SandSage]

Wasn't it stated that her dad found the door to her apartment open? And she was theoretically able to get in without being noticed - maybe they didn't keep the door locked. When I had roommates we frequently left the door unlocked out of convenience (well until our house was burglarized). So maybe keys weren't really necessary.

I don't know about the dog. Its between 4-5am, I could leave at that time and not have to worry about my dog until say 11 or noon.

Mostly though, if I was going out on a mission at 5am, I would carry as little as possible to not look like a target and also to be able to get away quickly if something scary came up.

Did Cab Guy ever say if she was a familiar customer?

True... (roomies, if you're reading this, PLEASE KEEP YOUR DOOR LOCKED). Now that I think about it, I never locked mine either until I found a well-known transient that I had befriended cooking a tin of tuna in my microwave. :facepalm:

Cabbie did not say anything about that (TMK)... but we should ask. Cab_Guy, was she a familiar customer?

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

waitresses usually carry cash as they typically get paid in cash at end of night after all tips are pooled. I think it's highly possible that she could have typically carried cash with her instead of cards and wallet all the time (unless driving).