AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #5

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  • #241
The only reason a dispatcher who is also driving would stay on the phone for 4 minutes with a client is that the client was having a hard time explaining and confirming the pick-up. This happens every Friday/Saturday in Tempe. Young men and women call for a cab and can't get it together well enough to direct the driver to them. Our dispatchers are instructed to GPS the pick-up address before the caller is let go. Just looking at the phone log, I can tell you that an experienced dispatcher would stay on the line with a client only long enough to verify the pick-up info. It is clear to me that AS was having a difficult time thinking clearly at both 4:23am and at 4:37am when she called back. For me, there's only one explanation, and it is not that she was simply emotional.--Cab Guy

With this, perhaps she WAS confused between the Circle K and AMPM. She wasn't at AMPM, so???
I'm also wondering if neighbors were interviewed. Was the party loud until 5 am or did it die out long before? Did it look like the "usual suspects" in terms of who these girls regularly let into their home?
Lastly, as being THE 19 year old party girl way back when (and I'm not saying AS was that type), I can tell you that friends brought friends who brought friends to house parties. There was ALWAYS people I had never seen before in a ~50 person party.
 
  • #242
OK. I'm quoting this and I'm going to take it one step further for sheets and giggles. If she was blowing the cab off, and if she turned her phone off herself, then she was either where she set out to be, or she was with who she set out to be with. She would not have voluntarily turned her phone off otherwise, IMO. After all, she was hell bent on being with a specific person.

Then again, she may NOT have turned her phone off, but just hit the decline button when cabbie called that last time.

Then again, police say her phone went dead at that time, so it was either turned off, died, or disabled.

Sheesh. What a case.

Do you worry though that maybe her phone kept going to VM bc she was too worried to pick it up or incapacitated, and then the person who (as me and cabby are theorizing) dosed her found the phone ringing on her person and turned it off?

That "be there in a minute" at 4:53 in between the time she is seen entering the parking lot on vid at 4:52 and the sedan is seen driving through the same lot the opposite direction at 4:54.

I fear that she did get in that car to take a ride and blow off the cab and something happened to her after the last time her voice was heard by anyone at 4:53.
 
  • #243
With this, perhaps she WAS confused between the Circle K and AMPM. She wasn't at AMPM, so???
I'm also wondering if neighbors were interviewed. Was the party loud until 5 am or did it die out long before? Did it look like the "usual suspects" in terms of who these girls regularly let into their home?
Lastly, as being THE 19 year old party girl way back when (and I'm not saying AS was that type), I can tell you that friends brought friends who brought friends to house parties. There was ALWAYS people I had never seen before in a ~50 person party.

Yup and when you were 19 and had the chance to score booze for a party, wouldnt you take that opportunity to party/drink til the sun comes up and birds are chirping? I never remember falling asleep before sun up at college parties and I wasn't even that wild. Everyone called me mom. Lol
 
  • #244
Do you worry though that maybe her phone kept going to VM bc she was too worried to pick it up or incapacitated, and then the person who (as me and cabby are theorizing) dosed her found the phone ringing on her person and turned it off?

That "be there in a minute" at 4:53 in between the time she is seen entering the parking lot on vid at 4:52 and the sedan is seen driving through the same lot the opposite direction at 4:54.

I fear that she did get in that car to take a ride and blow off the cab and something happened to her after the last time her voice was heard by anyone at 4:53.

That's the problem. We MUST know if police feel that that was her on video, and if they are still suspicious of that car. It's like as soon as that info was released, a radio silence was put into effect. Nothing has been said about it since.

To put it bluntly, if we knew that was likely her, and if we knew police suspected that car, then we could narrow this case down to the minute. Right now, we're just slinging around a bucket of crap and hoping it sticks somewhere.
 
  • #245
IMO, she grabbed a couple of bills from where ever she had her money and shoved it in her pocket. Thing is... house key. If she was planning on coming home and roomies weren't there to unlock the door... and her dog... she wasn't planning on being gone very long.

BBM.. but what's weird about that is... when the dad went to check on her on sunday, one article said that the apartment was unlocked. i wonder if they usually just left it unlocked??
 
  • #246
Mom,

It has long been my feeing that sometime between the 4:53am call and the 5:05am call, AS was abducted. One of the things that has haunted my son follows: He calls at 5:05,the phone rings and rings. He calls at 5:06 and the phone rings ang rings again. The abductor is scared, frantic, angry, etc. finds the phone and pulls the battery out. No more pings, no more Cabbie calls, no more GPS tracking.
 
  • #247
It has always been my life experience, whether dealing with employees, family members, or friends, when things don't add up, when actions don't match the person, alcohol or drugs, usually drugs, are the culprit. I hear many keep saying, and indeed her father appears to confirm that on this night AS did not act like the woman she has grown up to be. So why such off the wall behavior tonight? For me, the only logical explanation is that her normal behavior patterns were altered. How? By the introduction of drugs into her system. Now hold on, I'm not even slightly suggesting that she voluntarily took some kind of drug. Rather, considering all the things she did that night, and agreeing that many of those things did not fit the way she normally acts, we are left to consider the conclusion that somebody slipped her some drugs that night.
in the cab business in Tempe we see these parties every week, they are not slumber parties. the sole purpose of these parties is so that underage people can drink. they start out with five or ten people, then those call other people, and so on throughout the night. The nature of the party itself, is what makes it so hard for the cops to interview everyone. Who knows who was there? most people come uninvited, thankful for only the cell phone call that got them to the party..."hey it's me, there's a great party over here at Brown and Ash...come on over." The police may never know who was actually at that party, and that is their biggest problem.--Cab Guy

^^^^^^ THIS.

I dont believe she was acting in her typical state of mind that Rick has expressed as "responsible".

To leave her dog without giving her roommates a heads up show me she was NOT thinking straight. Almost in a haze. This "calmly upset" state she was in before driving says something to me. It's as if RF noticed something off about the reaction of AS that wasn't typical for her. This sitting on the grass upset after walking home? Seems like she was confused. She seemed to get increasingly more confused from the wreck all the way up to her disappearance.

I think she probably had intended on just walking straight from her car to the cab at AMPM and being on her way, but because she had to wait for the cab to call her back I think she decided to go to her apartment instead and change.

She seemed to have forgotten to change the pick up location with the cabbie to her apartment instead of the AMPM imho.

In fact, after the 3 minute phone talk instructing him to go to the AMPM, they only speak one more time after missed calls when she briefly tells him she "would be there in a minute" around 4:53.

I do think it's possible she ditched the cab and got a ride with somebody from the party sometime between 4:53 and 5:05.

OR it's possible someone from the party offered to give her a ride to the AMPM and they never dropped her there/abducted her straight from her apartment. Imo

Imo I think its the same guy that had lightly dosed her from the get go. I think maybe he gave her water or handed her yet another dosed drink before they headed out up toward Scottsdale IMHO and theory.
 
  • #248
just had a thought.. i wonder if anyone was home when Adrienne's dad went to check on her Sunday? if not, there is an unknown period of time that someone, ANYONE, could have had access to go back to the apartment and return her clothes, etc.

scratch that.. if she had all of her things with her, including her keys.. they would have had access to the apartment ANYTIME. all they'd have to do was go up to the door and knock to see if anyone was home (or this person could know what the roommates cars look like) and then let themselves in and put her stuff back in her room.
 
  • #249
just had a thought.. i wonder if anyone was home when Adrienne's dad went to check on her Sunday? if not, there is an unknown period of time that someone, ANYONE, could have had access to go back to the apartment and return her clothes, etc.

scratch that.. if she had all of her things with her, including her keys.. they would have had access to the apartment ANYTIME. all they'd have to do was go up to the door and knock to see if anyone was home (or this person could know what the roommates cars look like) and then let themselves in and put her stuff back in her room.

So smart and yep! Roommates could easily have both left for work or another engagement (with door unlocked for anyone to enter and replace AS belongings) between 5 am Saturday and 2pm Sunday.
 
  • #250
Mom,

It has long been my feeing that sometime between the 4:53am call and the 5:05am call, AS was abducted. One of the things that has haunted my son follows: He calls at 5:05,the phone rings and rings. He calls at 5:06 and the phone rings ang rings again. The abductor is scared, frantic, angry, etc. finds the phone and pulls the battery out. No more pings, no more Cabbie calls, no more GPS tracking.

My goodness cab guy.

This totally makes sense. He (being this unknown party goer) must have taken the battery out before leaving her house with her and I doubt she would CONSCIOUSLY let him do that....

Heartbreaking. I'm so sorry.
 
  • #251
I hope they are checking her social networking thoroughly with a fine toothed comb to see who all was invited to that party directly from AS and the Roommates. Then find those invites and from there ask them who they invited to be a guest with them. etc etc etc.
 
  • #252
BBM

The night this happened the calls between Tom and AS were uneventful. He did not remember AS, except to say that he remembered getting stood up after driving a long way to get a ride. Tom works the overnight shift and supervises the night drivers. His shift ends right about 5am, unless he takes an early morning airport call. This was Tom's last call of the night, after that he drove 3 miles N/E to my home in Tempe to turn in the driver cash and fill his Dad in on the evening. His phne log shows just two other calls after he tried to get in touch with AS at 5:06am:

5:08 Call to Driver to collect money from him

5:10 Call to same driver to collect money

Well, if this is the case, then you would be his alibi I guess. If that's true I don't understand why LE began to interrogate him to the point he had to call a lawyer and refuse a poly. Why didn't they just take your word for it? Am I missing something? It seems so clear cut.

When did you first find out she was missing?
 
  • #253
Again, I take the father at his word if he says the video is not his daughter. The Nancy Grace producer told me directly that Dad told her it was not his daughter. Even so, I am bothered by two things:

1.) The proximity of the O'Reily's to the Circle K and AM/PM: Her travels, were this her, make perfect sense. In the cab business we frequently see young women hide from others prior to jumping in a cab. Often, because of the plate glass windows, a Circle K, just inside the door is a perfect place to see and not be seen. From the Circle K she could see part of her street, just in case anyone was coming and she could see the cab arrive at the AM/PM. Once seeing the cab, rather than walk on the sidewalk, if she still wanted to hide, she would naturally walk behind the O'reilly's and cut across, exiting the S/E drive and crossing the street to the AM/PM western entrance.

2.) The O'Reilly's is a creepy lot. There are two dumpsters, one in the corner, which would have been in front of her and to her left (large space behind it) as she passed the camera, and the other one around the corner from her, also on her left, just steps from the SE exit. It would not be unthinkable that someone could have come from behind either of these dumpsters to do her harm. Both dumpsters are out of sight of the camera, by the way.--Cab Guy
 
  • #254
My goodness cab guy.

This totally makes sense. He (being this unknown party goer) must have taken the battery out before leaving her house with her and I doubt she would CONSCIOUSLY let him do that....

Heartbreaking. I'm so sorry.

Unless it was an iPhone. The batteries are near impossible to get out without any work. It's doable, but it takes work and time.
 
  • #255
Again, I take the father at his word if he says the video is not his daughter. The Nancy Grace producer told me directly that Dad told her it was not his daughter. Even so, I am bothered by two things:

1.) The proximity of the O'Reily's to the Circle K and AM/PM: Her travels, were this her, make perfect sense. In the cab business we frequently see young women hide from others prior to jumping in a cab. Often, because of the plate glass windows, a Circle K, just inside the door is a perfect place to see and not be seen. From the Circle K she could see part of her street, just in case anyone was coming and she could see the cab arrive at the AM/PM. Once seeing the cab, rather than walk on the sidewalk, if she still wanted to hide, she would naturally walk behind the O'reilly's and cut across, exiting the S/E drive and crossing the street to the AM/PM western entrance.

2.) The O'Reilly's is a creepy lot. There are two dumpsters, one in the corner, which would have been in front of her and to her left (large space behind it) as she passed the camera, and the other one around the corner from her, also on her left, just steps from the SE exit. It would not be unthinkable that someone could have come from behind either of these dumpsters to do her harm. Both dumpsters are out of sight of the camera, by the way.--Cab Guy

But then if she were abducted down at Oreilly's around 4:52am, wouldn't her phone have pinged there ? For the duration from 4:52 to 5:07???

I think Rick is right: it's not her. Her phone pings don't put her in that location. She called your son from her apartment (pinged!) at 4:53. Now unless she can be at Oreilly's at 4:52 and then up near her apartment at 4:53 at the same time and can teleport (remember the sedan in the video was seen one minute after her call to cabbie) I don't think it was her in that video as Rick stated!


I think your son is right cab guy. It happened around her house (the abduction) the very location where her phone pinged up until the battery was taken out by her abductor around 5:08!
 
  • #256
Wow cab guy! You're a pot of gold! Glad to have you on board! It's starting to make sense.

Nope, as far as we can tell, she never called us before that night. Her name is not in our data-base, and a search of her phone number shows only the below listed call contacts with her cell, all from the night in question:

1) 4:23 (4 minutes)

2) 4:37 call waiting incoming call (3 minutes)

3) 4:53 call waiting incoming call (1 minute)
Driver says he is on his way,,,AS says "...be there in a minute."

4) 5:05 Driver call (1 minute)
Call rings several times and goes to voice-mail...driver leaves message

5) 5:06 Driver call (1 minute)
Call rings several times and goes to voice-mail...driver leaves message

6) 5:06 Driver call (1 minute)
Call rings just once and goes direct to voice mail...driver hangs up

If this log is accurate it eliminates one of our previous doubts that something must have happened in just one minute. We were going by the assumption that she had said "Be there in a minute" after 5, right before her phone went dead. But it seems now this wasn't the case.

At 4:53 she intended to meet the cab, call lastet a minute, and roughly 10 minutes later her phone went to vm. So we now have a 10 minutes timespan when definitely something happened to her.

Cab guy, do you have many drivers who are usually in that area where she went missing from? Maybe someone remembers seeing something/someone that night? Long shot, I know ...
 
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I suppose that everything likely checks out like they say, but if they haven't a clue what happened to Adrienne, when it happened, where it happened, why it happened, how it happened, and where she was placed/where she is now, then how can they clear someone based on GPS data and the like?

Quoting this because it is an important question.
 
  • #259
I didn't see a link that verified through pings she was at her apartment at 4:52 am when she made her last call to the cab guy saying she'll be there in a minute. Need a little help on that please.
 
  • #260
Quoting this because it is an important question.

I asked last night if the driver has a personal vehicle.

I guess LE checked out where the cab had been for the rest of that morning...but if LE was not brought in until Sunday, not sure how they could "rule out" anyone unless they have searched every place he drove in the period from 5am Sat. until whenever they interviewed him. And that does not seem possible, IMO.
 
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