AZ AZ - Grand Canyon, 'Little Miss X' UP9859, Wht/Hisp Fem, 11-17, nail file case "P" & "R", Oct'58

[carbuff]

I've seen photos of this remain's skull, but I can't remember where, or if I posted a link to it here, or took a screen shot of it, as it was a while ago.

@CCJD posted it just the other day:

AZ - AZ - Grand Canyon, 'Little Miss X' UP9859, Wht/Hisp Fem, 11-17, nail file case "P" & "R", Oct'58

 

[Alleykins]

@CCJD posted it just the other day:

AZ - AZ - Grand Canyon, 'Little Miss X' UP9859, Wht/Hisp Fem, 11-17, nail file case "P" & "R", Oct'58

I saw that, but these were actually colored photos of her skull being held by some guy. I will have to dig around some more. I'm thinking there had to be a link on here, I can't think of how else I would have come across them.

 

[Alleykins]

You know, I think those pictures used to be in NamUs possibly.
Also, do they still have her hair? They are able to create a DNA profile from hair strands without follicles now. It's how they built the middle child's profile for forensic genetic genealogy. If they still have it, it may be worth a shot.

 

[CCJD]

I saw that, but these were actually colored photos of her skull being held by some guy. I will have to dig around some more. I'm thinking there had to be a link on here, I can't think of how else I would have come across them.

Is this by chance the pic you were thinking of? (attached)

There's link to the article in this thread, page 2, post 28. I don't have a subscription so I can't see the article but here's the link to it: Special Report: Cold cases to heat up

I don't think that's Little Miss X's skull. It looks like a bullet hole in the skull. It actually looks like it could be the skull in this article (which also mentions a shoe being found with the remains).
Museum Collection helps with cold case

 

[HmmMysterious]

Good question Alleykins. This article states that police tried to get DNA from the hair/necklace, but were unsuccessful.

https://www.maryhallbergmedia.com/post/who-was-little-miss-x-jane-doe-unidentified-for-62-years

 

[HmmMysterious]

You know, I think those pictures used to be in NamUs possibly.
Also, do they still have her hair? They are able to create a DNA profile from hair strands without follicles now. It's how they built the middle child's profile for forensic genetic genealogy. If they still have it, it may be worth a shot.

Good question Alleykins. This article states that police tried to get DNA from the hair/necklace, but were unsuccessful.

https://www.maryhallbergmedia.com/post/who-was-little-miss-x-jane-doe-unidentified-for-62-years

 

[Friday Fan]

You know, I think those pictures used to be in NamUs possibly.
Also, do they still have her hair? They are able to create a DNA profile from hair strands without follicles now. It's how they built the middle child's profile for forensic genetic genealogy. If they still have it, it may be worth a shot.

Grrhhh..grrhhh...

It's a skull....
Why remove it?

 

[Alleykins]

@CCJD - Unfortunately, that's not the picture I saw. The picture (or pictures, I believe there were two) were probably taken in the 60s maybe? IIRC, the man holding the skull was alone in one picture and was wearing clothing from about that time. The other was a crystal clear close up, and it was sitting on a rock or table, I can't remember. I'm almost certain they used to be in NamUs at one point. I usually get screen shots, but it appears I didn't. The close up had a great shot of the teeth and it was face-on.

@HmmMysterious -That's interesting they tried to get a DNA sample from her hair follicles but was unsuccessful. Do you have any idea when they tried to do that? I ask because, even in the short amount of time forensic genetic genealogy has been used to identify remains, the techniques and technology to collect a usable specimen have improved, and this new tech uses the hair strand, not the follicle. If this attempt was made around four or five years ago using previous methods, it may be worth attempting again, IMHO.

 

[HmmMysterious]

@CCJD - Unfortunately, that's not the picture I saw. The picture (or pictures, I believe there were two) were probably taken in the 60s maybe? IIRC, the man holding the skull was alone in one picture and was wearing clothing from about that time. The other was a crystal clear close up, and it was sitting on a rock or table, I can't remember. I'm almost certain they used to be in NamUs at one point. I usually get screen shots, but it appears I didn't. The close up had a great shot of the teeth and it was face-on.

@HmmMysterious -That's interesting they tried to get a DNA sample from her hair follicles but was unsuccessful. Do you have any idea when they tried to do that? I ask because, even in the short amount of time forensic genetic genealogy has been used to identify remains, the techniques and technology to collect a usable specimen have improved, and this new tech uses the hair strand, not the follicle. If this attempt was made around four or five years ago using previous methods, it may be worth attempting again, IMHO.

Sadly, I have no idea when they did the sample.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

@Caring1 could you post the list of NamUs exclusions for this Jane Doe? I would appreciate

 

[Caring1]

@Caring1 could you post the list of NamUs exclusions for this Jane Doe? I would appreciate

0 Missing Person Exclusions listed on NamUs.

 

[SimsGuy67]

Has Beverly Mastny ever been considered? She was possibly spotted in 1957 in El Paso Texas according to Charley Project. Here is Little Miss X for comparison. I have already submitted via LE and NamUs. I know that Beverly would be 18 or 19 by the time but Doe Network lists the oldest possible age as 17 instead of 14. 17 is 1 or 2 years off but I think they look similar and is one of the few I never really saw being talked about probably because she ran away years prior.
Left: (Beverly Mastny) Right: (Little Miss X)

I think the two's jaw and face shape are very similar. Let me know what you think! I understand we can't really get a confirmed match as they lost Little Miss X's body but if they ever come across her DNA then they can test! I also don't know if they have Beverly's Dentals but if they do that's great as I believe Little Miss X's dentals are!

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Has Beverly Mastny ever been considered? She was possibly spotted in 1957 in El Paso Texas according to Charley Project. Here is Little Miss X for comparison. I have already submitted via LE and NamUs. I know that Beverly would be 18 or 19 by the time but Doe Network lists the oldest possible age as 17 instead of 14. 17 is 1 or 2 years off but I think they look similar and is one of the few I never really saw being talked about probably because she ran away years prior.
Left: (Beverly Mastny) Right: (Little Miss X)

I think the two's jaw and face shape are very similar. Let me know what you think! I understand we can't really get a confirmed match as they lost Little Miss X's body but if they ever come across her DNA then they can test! I also don't know if they have Beverly's Dentals but if they do that's great as I believe Little Miss X's dentals are!

In my opinion I think that Beverly Mastny can be a very good potential match for Little Miss X, everything seems to fit.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Has Beverly Mastny ever been considered? She was possibly spotted in 1957 in El Paso Texas according to Charley Project. Here is Little Miss X for comparison. I have already submitted via LE and NamUs. I know that Beverly would be 18 or 19 by the time but Doe Network lists the oldest possible age as 17 instead of 14. 17 is 1 or 2 years off but I think they look similar and is one of the few I never really saw being talked about probably because she ran away years prior.
Left: (Beverly Mastny) Right: (Little Miss X)

I think the two's jaw and face shape are very similar. Let me know what you think! I understand we can't really get a confirmed match as they lost Little Miss X's body but if they ever come across her DNA then they can test! I also don't know if they have Beverly's Dentals but if they do that's great as I believe Little Miss X's dentals are!

Beverly Mastny thread:

OH - OH - Beverly Mastny, 15, Broadview Heights, 21 Sept 1953

NamUs profile https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/show/35164 There are no details about the circumstances, and I couldn't find any articles from when she disappeared. I do believe her case was publicized though, because I did find an article from El Paso, TX 3 years later. This article...

www.websleuths.com

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Sign the Petition

Petition to locate the remains of Little Miss X (unidentified teen whose body was lost)

www.change.org

 

[SimsGuy67]

Does anyone think she could be Carol Batterman?

A friend of mine and I have been working super hard to try and get Little Miss X solved and we stumbled across Carol. Table:

	Carol Batterman MP21701	Little Miss X (1958) UP9859	Possible?
Sex	Female	Female	Match
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Hispanic	Match/Possible
Age	19	11-17 (Doe Network Estimate)	Possible
Height	5'5"	5'0"-5'3"	Possible. (Tests were done in the early 70s at latest and Carol's height may be estimated.)
Weight	115lbs	105lbs	Match/Possible
Hair Color	Brown	Brown/Auburn	Possible
Eye Color	Brown	Unknown	Possible
Estimated D.O.D/D.L.C	May 31, 1958	1957	Possible
Distinctive Features	Oval scar in left of wrist	Unknown/None (Skeletal Remains)	Match/Possible
Circumstances	Last seen waiting for bus	Found in Grand Canyon, AZ	Stretching
Distance	OKC/Moore-Grand Canyon	961 miles (14hr 12min)	Stretching

The heavy eyebrows on Carol caught me as odd as Little Miss X has the same type of eyebrows. Eyebrows can be somewhat estimated from the shape of the skull. Let me know what you think!

 

[carbuff]

She looks like a good match. She's been ruled out against a different Arizona UID (The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)) so I don't think the distance is a problem.

 

[SimsGuy67]

She looks like a good match. She's been ruled out against a different Arizona UID (The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)) so I don't think the distance is a problem.

The best part is Carol has dentals so they will be able to compare and we can get a match without having to wait in agony for Little Miss X's DNA to be available which it might not even!

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Does anyone think she could be Carol Batterman?

A friend of mine and I have been working super hard to try and get Little Miss X solved and we stumbled across Carol. Table:

	Carol Batterman MP21701	Little Miss X (1958) UP9859	Possible?
Sex	Female	Female	Match
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Hispanic	Match/Possible
Age	19	11-17 (Doe Network Estimate)	Possible
Height	5'5"	5'0"-5'3"	Possible. (Tests were done in the early 70s at latest and Carol's height may be estimated.)
Weight	115lbs	105lbs	Match/Possible
Hair Color	Brown	Brown/Auburn	Possible
Eye Color	Brown	Unknown	Possible
Estimated D.O.D/D.L.C	May 31, 1958	1957	Possible
Distinctive Features	Oval scar in left of wrist	Unknown/None (Skeletal Remains)	Match/Possible
Circumstances	Last seen waiting for bus	Found in Grand Canyon, AZ	Stretching
Distance	OKC/Moore-Grand Canyon	961 miles (14hr 12min)	Stretching

The heavy eyebrows on Carol caught me as odd as Little Miss X has the same type of eyebrows. Eyebrows can be somewhat estimated from the shape of the skull. Let me know what you think!

I think this could be a pretty likely possible match.

Carol Batterman and Little Miss X both have dentals available so they can be compared, so I think this potential match should be submitted.

1193UFAZ

3407DFOK - Carol Ann Batterman

 

[SimsGuy67]

I think this could be a pretty likely possible match.

Carol Batterman and Little Miss X both have dentals available so they can be compared, so I think this potential match should be submitted.

1193UFAZ

3407DFOK - Carol Ann Batterman

I already have! I wish we had a filling description for Carol.