GUILTY AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[stacemcace]

I've seen something that points to JM being related to the Snyder side of the family. I still don't know quite what the relationship is though - uncle or cousin its still not clear.

 

[Prof]

JM is related to the Snyder family. He appears to be BC's cousin. I would prove it, but I personally I don't see why it is so important, and I still see family as victims until LE names specific POIs.

 

[Lava]

Saw it here earlier, but just wanted to clarify. Isa has more than 1 uncle.

 

[callyn]

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I hope this works :what:
ETA: ohoh, did something wrong, somehow I lost the quote and everything else. Anyway, this is a blow up of the left side of that floor plan the reporter was viewing. It shows that it doesn't actually show a second floor on the left, just some information.

 

[txanmom]

Oh it did not take long. I remember the discussion well, as CN2 souls linked the PIMA County site where you can walk around better than Google maps. I am there now, the pics are from 2010, and I cannot see any evidence of a camera on that roof. JMO maybe I need better glasses.

http://gis.pima.gov/pictometry/latlon/llphotos.cfm?lat=32.22037&lon=-110.87285

The discussion Patty mentions about the county assessor having wrong floorplans for Celis home was in thread five.
Here are the related posts.



http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7839790&postcount=449


http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7839810&postcount=453

Thank you so much!! thank you to Patty G as well, for going through this again with me. I thought I had read all the posts but somehow missed all this good info.

sorry I was late getting back to you, i had to make breakfast and shower. Ok I am off to look all this over. Thanks again!:seeya:

 

[Starry Night]

JM didn't just speak one time, to one news source. He spoke multiple times with different news agencies. And every single one has him identified as an "uncle," info that would have come from him. So whether he's her uncle or not, he's identifying himself as such.

His interview with KGUN on that Saturday shows him being VERY active in the search on the very Saturday she went missing. Here's the video and article:

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/148384415.html

Here he is talking to ABC News:

http://gma.yahoo.com/missing-arizona-girl-search-intensifies-k-9s-clue-143603524--abc-news-topstories.html

Here he is talking to CBS on Sunday. Please watch this video. He is actually seen talking with LE and directing them with a pointed finger:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418751/suspicious-circumstances-at-home-of-isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-ariz-girl/

He also spoke to KVOA, and I'm sure to other stations, too. This was just from a quick search.

Point: He was the "spokesperson" over multiple days, and seemed to be everywhere, handing out fliers, giving interviews, directing LE. And these are all different interviews, not one taped appearance.

And I firmly believe that was him at the neighbor's door at 8 a.m. asking about Isabel, aka what had she seen or heard?

NG and JVM reported that he used to live in the home.

I think the parents unwittingly let a predator in...

On that ABC vdeo-they showed a little bit of footage of Isabel's brothers and the older one says about about 'she was just being a little girl having fun at a party' or something like that. I am pretty sure that is what he said-going to review it again.


What party did he mean??

 

[stacemcace]

I don't think in the scheme of things its important who JM is related to either, I was just trying to clarify for people who thought he was related to SC.

 

[Knox]

 

[Prof]

I am providing this as a way to get more information on which local news media interviewed JM on Saturday, the day Isa went missing.

ABC national obtained the same exact clip (from some local media) as CBS national did. ABC and CBS simply edited the clip differently. Please note that both the ABC and CBS national stories were on Monday, two days after Isa went missing. They used a news clip they obtained from Saturday.


ABC

Here is a still from the CBS clip obtained from local media

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57418751/suspicious-circumstances-at-home-of-isabel-mercedes-celis-missing-ariz-girl

Again, thank you, for the links, as it helps me get closer to the answer to my questions.

At this point, we don't know how JM got the moniker of uncle or family spokesperson. It could have been sloppy reporting.

At this point, we don't know if it was JM at all who knocked on neighbor's door.

 

[Starry Night]

Ok I watched it again-those boys interviewed are brothers of another little girl who is friends with Isabel. Sorry for that mix-up!

 

[Prof]

On that ABC vdeo-they showed a little bit of footage of Isabel's brothers and the older one says about about 'she was just being a little girl having fun at a party' or something like that. I am pretty sure that is what he said-going to review it again.


What party did he mean??

Those are not Isabel's brother, Starry. I know it is confusing on the tape. Those are the brothers of the little girl shown being interviewed by the police in that tape. She is a friend of Isa's, the boys are her brothers.

 

[Patty G]

If I'm looking at the same graphic that you are talking about, that on the left is something else, not a second floor. I enlarged it but I don't know how to post a picture here.

This would be the graphic floor plan that the reporter is looking at on the monitor.

To post a picture, scroll down where you post a comment and look for "Manage Attachments". Click that on and it will bring you to a pop up. Select Browse to find the picture on your puter, select the file, then click upload. The link will be attached to your post.

 

[Patty G]

I have seen this floor plan. The reporter was looking at a "blueprint" type photo on the computer monitor. This is the one that I am trying to see larger to determine if what I see is the second floor on the left.

I'll be back with the link.

Adding link: http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150254045.html

 

[Knox]

Ok I watched it again-those boys interviewed are brothers of another little girl who is friends with Isabel. Sorry for that mix-up!

No worries, I made the same mistake early on

 

[Prof]

We dont know. We dont even know which uncle it was.

It could be a great uncle for all we know.

Didnt JM say when he heard that Isa was missing is when he came there?

Wasnt he seen later on in the day talking with the media?

Whether JM is a cousin or an uncle I dont think he was there with the family that night but was one of the family members who arrived quickly once they heard Isa was missing.

IMO

Yes, I do remember that JM, on one of his interviews that Saturday, said that he came over as soon as he heard, but it did not say what time of day that was.

I have pinpointed two times he spoke to media. One looks like full on afternoon, the other looks like dusk.
Quickly to me is relative ... just as "relative" is relative...

 

[Knox]

 

[Shelby2]

Just a few things. I think the only reason Becky was talking about how hard it was for her to be on camera is because she was addressing the reasons why they have not been on camera. I didn't find it strange at all.
In JM's dating site profile (POF?) the caption under the picture of himself with Isa says "me and my niece in AZ.
I think Becky's brother knows who was knocking on doors that morning, they must have gone over that morning with him at some point?

Did the parents say they were the only ones at the house that night?

 

[FORDANIEL]

Per a FB site TPD to give an update at 11am,Tucson time.Time now,in Tucson is 1028AM.

 

[txanmom]

Just a few things. I think the only reason Becky was talking about how hard it was for her to be on camera is because she was addressing the reasons why they have not been on camera. I didn't find it strange at all.
In JM's dating site profile (POF?) the caption under the picture of himself with Isa says "me and my niece in AZ.
I think Becky's brother knows who was knocking on doors that morning, they must have gone over that morning with him at some point?

Did the parents say they were the only ones at the house that night?

Yes, they said that in their interview yesterday, they were the only ones at home that night.

I agree with you about Becky.
edit to add I cannot get the site to come up, are y'all having any problems with it? (pof)

 

[callyn]

I'll try this again. Here is a blow up of the left side of that graphic for PattyG.

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