AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[PAXIMUS]

Hey friends, anything new in the last 24 hours or so, been real busy and I am way behind on these threads.

Anything of importance happen?

 

[Deleted member 718]

Perhaps you and I are differ on the what search means? Tips being called in from a sighting in Canada (as an example), wouldn't be considered searching. I meant LE physically searching ponds, landfills, yards, dumpsters all over Tucson. Haven't seen it reported and they haven't said they are except that they're following the credible leads wherever those lead them. So far, my understanding is a lot of them are from blogs which don't seem to be helping them or panning out. IMO

Yea, I think we must be on different pages. LE has continuously said they can't speak about their searches because of the 'sensitive nature' of the search. I take that to mean LE can't say they hauled in John Doe for questioning because he's a known predator and has an iffy alibi for that night. Even creepy John Doe has constitutional rights under the law.

Why do you think LE is mainly following up on bloggers? They just said today that a large amount of false leads are speculations based on rumors from social media.

 

[panthera]

List of questions we would like reporters to ask, or things we would like reporters to find out. Feel free to add to!:

1. Who was in the home the night before Isabel went missing?
2. Who put her to bed or did she put herself to bed?
3. What time did Rebecca leave for work?
4. Was the "uncle" who came to the neighbor's home the morning Isabel went missing, someone we have seen on the news? Who was he?
5. How, if at all, is JM related to the family?
6. Where does JM live?
7. Why was Becky Celis' child endangerment/DUI/vapors charge dismissed? What did the police report state?
8. What's the deal with the camera on the Celis' home? Was it ever operative? Why was it pointing to the sky?
9. Was there a party the night before Isa went missing or was the boy in one of the interview videos speaking about Isa playing at the park while her brother had a game?
10. How many dogs did the Celis family have? Were they inside the night before Isa went missing or outside?
11. Who was the man (and teen boy) who were going into the Celis' gate in an interview and questioned intensely by LE? Did they have permission from the family to be there?
12. Where are the dogs now? Who is caring for them?
13. Can we have an accurate floor plan of the Celis home?

There is a diagram of the interior of the house on this video:

http://www.kgun9.com/multimedia/videos/?bctid=1622374016001

What is quite noticeable, if accurate, is the master bedroom is across the house from the other two bedrooms. In addition, one of the other two bedrooms appears to be in the front of the house. Not sure which room Isabel was in that night, however.

When Isabel's mother got up and was getting ready for work that morning, did she notice anything amiss in the house? Anything different from when she went to bed? Did she let the dogs out that morning?

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[mck16]

Yea, I think we must be on different pages. LE has continuously said they can't speak about their searches because of the 'sensitive nature' of the search. I take that to mean LE can't say they hauled in John Doe for questioning because he's a known predator and has an iffy alibi for that night. Even creepy John Doe has constitutional rights under the law.

Why do you think LE is mainly following up on bloggers? They just said today that a large amount of false leads are speculations based on rumors from social media.

I was wondering if anyone thinks LE would consider WS social media. The reason I say this is because the other night several people were posting about a person on JM's FB page that looked like the composite drawing of the perp in the case with the 3 girls. I remember they were going to call it in as a tip. I wonder if this was LE's way of saying that was not the case and not a tip. jmo

 

[mck16]

Two of the links contain portions of the very same interview. One interview has a bit more than the other but parts of them are identical. I will try to transcribe.

I totally agree and have felt this all along. I will go further and say that these words are the only words this man has said. It is the same interview over and over and quoted as different ones. Plus the fact that this was an interview and not a planned advertised statement for the family. jmo

 

[Lark2]

Another interview with JM in which he says "I thought I was dreaming."

Set in front of trees.

http://www.kvoa.com/news/missing-girl-s-family-and-neighbors-speak-out/#!prettyPhoto/0/

 

[AZYaYa]

What puzzles me is how the uncle/cousin got there from wherever he supposedly was Friday night by 8:05am Sat. Isn't that supposedly when he was knocking on the neighbor's door? *

Instead, I suspect it was a busy night at the Celis house. I think uncle/cousin arrived sometime in the night to 'help' with things.

How is someone with three DUIs in 2011 driving, anyway? I can't imagine the license hasn't been revoked. ????

 

[gitana1]

There is a diagram of the interior of the house on this video:

http://www.kgun9.com/multimedia/videos/?bctid=1622374016001

What is quite noticeable, if accurate, is the master bedroom is across the house from the other two bedrooms. In addition, one of the other two bedrooms appears to be in the front of the house. Not sure which room Isabel was in that night, however.

When Isabel's mother got up and was getting ready for work that morning, did she notice anything amiss in the house? Anything different from when she went to bed? Did she let the dogs out that morning?

:waitasec:

MOO

I know. I've seen it. But the diagram they are showing is not the floorplan you see briefly in the video. I want to have a photo of the actual floorplan the reporter was looking at.

 

[Prof]

snipped..

For instance, in one interview, he told the reporter that 'We're hoping she just took a walk and got lost and is on her way home." I had never hear that before until I just watched that station's coverage this morning.

He may have told other reporters other things.

I did a quick search and pulled in 3 links.

Can others here find more and watch and extract other comments that we may not have heard already?

Snipped and bolded

Unfortunately, it is not always easy to find videos. For example, I just did a Google search for the quote I have bolded above, and only found your post. Unless the media also provides a transcript...
As we have experienced in countless cases, news websites don't keep videos up forever, and they change the text in their updates of print media.
Some posters try to archive.
Anyway, do you have the link to the video you just mentioned with that quote?

Thanks!

 

[Patty G]

Awwww... Hope the ear surgery goes well.

Her surgery went well. She had a large hematoma on the flap of the inside of her ear. Four large puncture wounds that are stitched on the outside of the ear as the inside remains open. I have to pour peroxide down the ear three times and then apply antibiotic ointment to the open wounds.

In the picture, it is the ear on the right!

 

[MsFacetious]

Darn, I didn't see the conditions although I have been thinking about the fact that there were conditions all day
yesterday...

Reminds me of a song: I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in...

Ask and you shall receive. :seeya:

This is a HUGE and very informative article about the entire press event. Practically a transcript. :twocents:

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/150175035.html

The press conference took place at a Tucson hotel under tightly controlled conditions.

Only one camera was allowed, and only one reporter from KOLD, KVOA and KGUN9 were allowed to enter the room and ask questions.
The Celis family selected the reporters.

The family also allowed a reporter and photographer from the Arizona Daily Star to be in the room and witness the press conference, but did not allow them to ask questions.
Instead, the family gave them a separate interview opportunity following the live press conference.

At one point during the live event, a Phoenix-based reporter walked into the room and asked a question, one that had already been asked. :what:

Immediately afterwards, a Tucson police officer escorted that reporter from the room. :waitasec:

Because of security concerns and concerns for the privacy of Rebecca and Sergio Celis, KGUN9 News has agreed to withhold the location where the press conference took place.

KGUN9 News has confirmed, however, that NBC News has been paying for the Celis family to stay at the hotel.

 

[Patty G]

I think some of the leads LE has maybe because of the sketch from the other case with the three girls and sleuthing of friends on FB. JMO

 

[dimples37398]

I do find it so funny that people believe the bits and pieces they want to believe from NG and JVM.

What exactly did I miss, not being around, I have read a few pages now on this thread and seen it stated that JM was the one knocking on the neighbors door, I have seen it said that JM must be a predator, Also that he had to have been over there for the ballgame or because it was a busy night in the Celis house on Friday night. What did I miss, how do we know any of the above to even be remotely close to the truth?

 

[SUNchips]

What ever happened to the rumor that she was taken to Mexico? Does anyone know where that started? Did LE ever say anything about it? I've been asking around town what people think happened and Mexico has come up a lot. Thanks.

 

[Prof]

List of questions we would like reporters to ask, or things we would like reporters to find out. Feel free to add to!:

1. Who was in the home the night before Isabel went missing?
2. Who put her to bed or did she put herself to bed?
3. What time did Rebecca leave for work?
4. Was the "uncle" who came to the neighbor's home the morning Isabel went missing, someone we have seen on the news? Who was he?
5. How, if at all, is JM related to the family?
6. Where does JM live?
7. Why was Becky Celis' child endangerment/DUI/vapors charge dismissed? What did the police report state?
8. What's the deal with the camera on the Celis' home? Was it ever operative? Why was it pointing to the sky?
9. Was there a party the night before Isa went missing or was the boy in one of the interview videos speaking about Isa playing at the park while her brother had a game?
10. How many dogs did the Celis family have? Were they inside the night before Isa went missing or outside?
11. Who was the man (and teen boy) who were going into the Celis' gate in an interview and questioned intensely by LE? Did they have permission from the family to be there?
12. Where are the dogs now? Who is caring for them?
13. Can we have an accurate floor plan of the Celis home?

1 and 9 were asked and answered yesterday in the parents' interview.
Just the immediate family were there, and no party.

As far as her DUI in 2003, it looks to me like she took advantage of diversion.

.

Tucson City Court
This program is offered to first-time misdemeanor defendants (there are some charges that are excluded). You will be referred by the Assistant City Attorney at your arraignment. Successful completion will result in the dismissal of the charge(s) against you.

What does it mean if the charge is dismissed?
It means the City or County has decided not to proceed with its case against you. It means that if you are asked on any application whether you have ever been convicted of a crime, you can answer "no." However, the fact that you were charged with a crime will remain in your records, and there may be occasions when you will have to explain that. For example, if you apply for a teaching certificate, you will have to submit to a criminal background check. That will reveal the misdemeanor charge and you may be asked to explain the circumstances. However, it will not prevent you from obtaining a teaching certificate.

http://legal.asua.arizona.edu/misdemeanor.html

 

[Lark2]

Snipped and bolded

Unfortunately, it is not always easy to find videos. For example, I just did a Google search for the quote I have bolded above, and only found your post. Unless the media also provides a transcript...
As we have experienced in countless cases, news websites don't keep videos up forever, and they change the text in their updates of print media.
Some posters try to archive.
Anyway, do you have the link to the video you just mentioned with that quote?

Thanks!

It was one of the 3 links that I posted and that I believe you said you watched. He speaks twice on some of these videos, you have to watch them all of the way through.

 

[dimples37398]

Another interview with JM in which he says "I thought I was dreaming."

Set in front of trees.

http://www.kvoa.com/news/missing-girl-s-family-and-neighbors-speak-out/#!prettyPhoto/0/

Maybe because he was sleeping when he got the phone call from Sergio or whoever, telling him she was missing. Maybe he thought it was a dream/nightmare because he was woke up by the phone ringing and hearing that on the other end of the phone.

 

[Shelby2]

ITA

I am at a loss because no one has ever said that JM posed as an uncle that morning when the neighbor said the police told her the guy that came to the door was the uncle of the missing child.

It just seems to have taken legs and I cant find out any proof that he was the one even at the door that morning.

Why would he say he was the uncle if he wasnt? That doesnt make a dab of sense to me. Cousins could just as easily look for a family member too. I am sure all of their family.. who arrived.. once they were contacted that Isa was missing.. was out trying to search for her.

Is this coming from Jane or Nancy's show?:waitasec:

If so, I feel like I am back in the days of the Elizabeth Smart case when she was leading the public to believe that her inside sources were telling her Richard Ricci was the kidnapper/rapist and murderer of Elizabeth.:banghead:

I feel sorry for JM. I think he loves Isa and rushed to the family's side to help them out anyway he could as any family member would.

IMO

Honestly I don't know where it came from, but since he called Isabel his 'niece' on his dating profile, I guess it's possible that he told the media that. Maybe he is just used to the kids calling him 'uncle' for whatever reason?

 

[panthera]

I know. I've seen it. But the diagram they are showing is not the floorplan you see briefly in the video. I want to have a photo of the actual floorplan the reporter was looking at.

One thing that was confusing regarding the floor plan and videos I have seen of the exterior of the house is the focus on the two windows in the rear that now appear to be the master bedroom. I would like to know which room Isabel was allegedly abducted from and where that window is.

MOO

 

[dimples37398]

Why is it everyone is so obsessed with JM over the other family members, how can any of you get a feeling about him when he has only said a few things on camera? Please tell me if it was uncovered that he has been arrested, convicted, suspected of being a child predator or a predator for that matter.