AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #12

[liz b.]

It's such a strange coincidence : this morning a poster here,Ocean Blue Eyes, wrote that she felt if LE had any inkling that drugs were involved in this case,CPS would be front and center. And,low and behold ... either it is some weird synchronicity going on...or LE reads here...And this is a tip... JMO

 

[Taminator]

https://www.azdes.gov/main.aspx?menu=154&id=2018

Family Support Services work with families to ensure children’s safety while helping families solve the problems that place children at risk. These services are provided in local communities and may include: help getting necessary food, housing, clothing or medical care; substance abuse testing and treatment; counseling; child care; and parent skills training.

 

[Dr. Know?]

CPS was brought in on Susan Powell's case due to Josh Powell's father having pictures of the neighbor girls taking baths etc...The boys lived at their Grandfather's house along with Josh. I'm pretty sure when Alyahna Lemmon was found chopped up by Michael Plumadore it was said that CPS got involved. Didn't Lisa Irwin's brothers get interviewed when she went missing?

I can think of a few reasons they might have announced this to the public. The eye is on the family though it appears.

jmo

 

[liz b.]

The CPS thing is disturbing and unusual to me...if LE felt, unofficially, that the family was cleared yet couldn't say so publicly, I don't know if this would be happening. There has to be a reason...JMO

Were the Irwin's children involved with CPS after Lisa disappeared? Or other families? It doesn't seem so, but I can't recall. At this stage in the case, it is upsetting that LE cannot rule out the parents, even if just in some subtle way...

Cluciano63, I do not remember CPS and any involvement with the two Irwin boys... MOO

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/sites/defa..._possible_abduction_-_isabel_celis_update.pdf

snipped from TPD media release:



I'm still not convinced that this means that it has anything to do with the parents being involved. IMO & IIRC the boys went back to school this week.
Maybe they are expressing concern over their parents' state of mind or their own state of mind and CPS is giving them advising them to get the kids or themselves in counseling. They do provide a lot of services in these matters.

Yes, I can understand that it might be LE and CPS's SOP to meet with/advise all families involved in this type of trauma. But there have been hundreds of actions that have taken place, as normal in an investigation, that we haven't had notice of ~ So why this?

It's sure not like they've been transparent in many other areas. So it makes me wonder if LE has a hidden agenda.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/sites/defa..._possible_abduction_-_isabel_celis_update.pdf

snipped from TPD media release:



I'm still not convinced that this means that it has anything to do with the parents being involved. IMO & IIRC the boys went back to school this week.
Maybe they are expressing concern over their parents' state of mind or their own state of mind and CPS is giving them advising them to get the kids or themselves in counseling. They do provide a lot of services in these matters.

Thanks, this is kind of along the lines of what I was thinking. Like if one of the kids no longer felt safe at home, or felt guilty because Isa was taken but he's safe. I dunno...just thinking aloud here, as I've never had personal involvement with cps.

 

[pieper4]

I fail to fathom why after 22 days CPS decided to assist the family. Or decided to announce they were "stepping up" their involvement that we may not have even known about. Very, very odd.

Is BAU still in town? This seems very calculated. Like a precision strike...

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

The combination of LE's decision not to release the 911 call info and the announcement of increased CPS involvement leads me to wonder if the 911 call reveals the presence of a person who could be perceived as a danger to the children. Maybe LE doesn't want the public to focus on info revealed in the 911 call but they want to reassure the public that they are taking every step they can to insure the health and safety of the other children in the family. MOO

ETA- Would LE withhold the call info if the call was made by one of the kids?

I don't know, TGI, but this statement doesn't reassure me of anything. It heightens my alarm, if anything. But I don't have a great deal of confidence in CPS either ~ so that's probably part of my angst!

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

You know, I have followed closely 3 cases where I have had an immediate gut feeling that something isn't right.

The McCann case
The Irwin case
And this case

Sadly, I haven't been proven wrong yet..............

 

[cluciano63]

Why would LE want this to be known? There has to be a reason...something feels very strange about this CPS involvement, IMO...and I don't believe it is anything as simple as counseling the boys about school, etc...

 

[pieper4]

I am seriously wondering if Dad was even home all night. I know, I know. He said he was. I've wondered this before, but now it's screamin' at me.

 

[cluciano63]

I am seriously wondering if Dad was even home all night. I know, I know. He said he was. I've wondered this before, but now it's screamin' at me.

I was thinking more about the morning...maybe it was one of her brothers who noticed she was missing, not Dad...maybe he had gone out for something? If no parent was in the home, would CPS alert to that, I wonder...

 

[AnaTeresa]

Anyway, something's not right with this case. It's not one big thing but a lot of little things. Plus, a young child who was believed kidnapped from her room in the middle of the night would have a population in panic and LE searching high and low, on high alert, to find her, dead or alive, so that they could find the perpetrator and keep it from happening again.

I'm just not seeing that.

I don't know - there wasn't this huge sense of urgency in the Groene case. LE were quite cool about it, there wasn't the expected urgency. So I really have no idea. Sometimes they're quiet because they're working behind the scenes and sometimes because they have a whole lot of nothing. Can't quite tell what's going on with this one.

 

[pieper4]

I don't know. I have a weird sense.

Fascinating.Just.Fascinating.

 

[pieper4]

Gotta love news reporting in Tucson. "Breaking News: DES: Celis children not in CPS custody"
KOLD.com banner.

ETA: ""The Department can confirm that CPS is working closely with law enforcement to ensure the continued safety of the children," said Tasya C. Peterson, DES Director of Communications. "At the present time, the children are not in CPS custody." (bold mine)

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18325000/tpd-cps-involvement-with-celis-family-increases

 

[Boodles]

No. It has been this way the whole three weeks. They have never referred to the family as victims, either.

Yes, Pacheco referred to them (answering a reporter's Q) as victims once that I heard. I remember because I was surprised. The reporter asked if the family were considered victims and Pacheco said yes.

 

[joedotnet]

I don't know. I have a weird sense.

Fascinating.Just.Fascinating.

I agree.



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[TheTruthWillOut]

I fail to fathom why after 22 days CPS decided to assist the family. Or decided to announce they were "stepping up" their involvement that we may not have even known about. Very, very odd.

Is BAU still in town? This seems very calculated. Like a precision strike...

Taking into account how TPD have very publicly stated that they are keeping things close to the vest it makes me wonder if this was a suggestion by the BAU?

I hope I'm reading too much into it, but could it be construed as a veiled threat to the parents?

I really hope I'm wrong on this.

 

[liz b.]

Why would LE want this to be known? There has to be a reason...something feels very strange about this CPS involvement, IMO...and I don't believe it is anything as simple as counseling the boys about school, etc...

I assumed that both boys had received counselling from the start. Especially since BC is a pediatric nurse.She would probably have access to excellent pediatric trauma therapists... this seems to be something else...IDK what though...JMO

 

[liz b.]

I was thinking more about the morning...maybe it was one of her brothers who noticed she was missing, not Dad...maybe he had gone out for something? If no parent was in the home, would CPS alert to that, I wonder...

Seems unlikely,as the oldest boy is 14, and the other boy is 10. Not that young to be left alone.If that had happened... MOO