AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - # 9

[GutFeeling!]

Easy there...I am one who said I'm not sure I buy the story about the 3 little girls. The police are investigating a report that there may have been sexual assault.

And they absolutely should investigate. However, the initial information reported leads me to question the story. That's not DISMISSING and I haven't jumped to the point of being one who "will always believe that these girls made it up...". I don't know what went on/didn't go on. That's why police are investigating. Questioning the story isn't dismissing a report of a child's sexual assault!!

My post was not aimed at anyone in particular, you are certainly not alone in your thoughts. I don't think I mentioned anyone dismissing anything at all.

I was really just wondering if we are becomeing cynical because we don't get every piece of what has happened from LE. Certainly wasn't aimed at you. I actually rarely look at names of posters here unless it is a mod telling me to calm down lol In that case I have a Mod tally board - I pray they never talk to each other and compare notes
LOL

 

[Patty G]

MSM has not picked up on any of the reports that came through HLN regarding Isa being in school, at the park, who put her to bed, when the mom went to work, partys, uncles, aunts, cousins, etc., etc.

LE made a point to the media yesterday "social media sites are giving out wrong information."

ETA: CONFIRMED by LE, mother went to bed before Isa.

~2:25 mark in video press conference
http://www.kgun9.com/multimedia/videos/?bctid=1579064627001

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I really think some here may be in denial. But that is my take. I also firmly expect the uncle to be arrested and charged as soon as the forensics are back from FBI.

Most of the posters here have been here for a very long time and have kept up with hundreds of cases..perhaps thousands since WSs started and denial is not what they do.

Denial? Nope, I dont thnk so.

A different opinion based on what little is known? Yes, of course.

IMO

 

[PAXIMUS]

Isnt it a rotten shame that a grieving family cant even have their home cleaned without the media spying on them?

LE makes a darn mess and like you say....Nancy of all people knows that.

imo

That is the media for you, real investigative journalism went out the window sometime after the Pentagon Papers and so called journalists have been replaced with entertainers and shock jocks whose sole purpose is to sensationalize every little thing to get more viewers and make their advertisers more money. They dont care about the truth they care about RATINGS.

 

[~n/t~]

Is there a neighbourhood crime watch person in that area? Anybody know?

 

[Patty G]

It's called a typo and humans often make them. I don't really think anyone would get confused and think a cleaning company literally pulled up the family home. They would "git" it as we say here in the south and just read on.

That said, I think it is because of the mess LE made when they processed the house. That is the only reason for the cleaning. Nothing sinister.

More importantly.... where is Isabel???

K.

I agree, it is a typo and that is why I just stated how one word left out could change an entire sentence.

 

[MaryAnn]

Isnt it a rotten shame that a grieving family cant even have their home cleaned without the media spying on them?

LE makes a darn mess and like you say....Nancy of all people knows that.

imo

I truly doubt it's Nancy herself who posts every single post on her site. I don't think she would have time with her twins and her show. Did you ever think it could be her Producers?

 

[pieper4]

ALL of the negative crap posted about Justin here is based on the fact that he was wearing a rather large silver chain with a baseball cap, which in some people's mind immediately means he is some sort of bad guy.:what:

I must be horrible with my gold chain and Rolex.

Bike chains and holographic ball caps certainly don't a "bad guy" make, but the overall hink factor is high to me. Obviously.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It's called a typo and humans often make them. I don't really think anyone would get confused and think a cleaning company literally pulled up the family home. They would "git" it as we say here in the south and just read on.

That said, I think it is because of the mess LE made when they processed the house. That is the only reason for the cleaning. Nothing sinister.

More importantly.... where is Isabel???

K.

Agree, plus the home has been shut up for almost two weeks now.

 

[PAXIMUS]

MSM has not picked up on any of the reports that came through HLN regarding Isa being in school, at the park, who put her to bed, when the mom went to work, partys, uncles, aunts, cousins, etc., etc.

LE made a point to the media yesterday "social media sites are giving out wrong information."

This is the most important post of the case so far, EVERYTHING Nancy Grace has reported has not thus far thereafter been picked up by the MSM or confirmed by LE. That should tell us something.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Isnt it a rotten shame that a grieving family cant even have their home cleaned without the media spying on them?

LE makes a darn mess and like you say....Nancy of all people knows that.

imo

ITA. Maybe Becky, Sergio, and their sons are tired of staying with extended family and friends and want to return to familiar surroundings. I wouldn't want to clean up after LE, either, and would hire a housekeeping service to do it. :moo:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I really think some here may be in denial. But that is my take. I also firmly expect the uncle to be arrested and charged as soon as the forensics are back from FBI.

:seeya: Just "jumping off" your post here about the "uncle" ...

I want to know MORE about the "uncle" :

- Where he lives and IF he works ?

- Did he stay at the Celis' home the night Isabel "allegedly" went "missing" ?

- Has he stayed at the Celis' home before ?

- Does he KNOW the "neighbor" -- and WHY was he knocking on the "neighbor's door" within minutes of Isabel being reported "missing" ?


:moo::moo::moo:

 

[PAXIMUS]

Does anyone know how OLD the uncle Justin is, that would go a long way in telling us if he is a potential cousin or not, IMO he looks to be in his 30s at least that would seem to be a little old for him to be the SON of either mom or dad's brothers or sisters.


Although his different last name does seem to indicate cousin rather than uncle, I just want some evidence of such before I jump to any conclusions.

 

[FrayedKnot]

If he is guilty I hope they get him but not jumping to conclusions does not make one in denial. It says male cousin, how you get from that to uncle is beyond me, maybe he is in fact the cousin but I dont know that and I try not to jump to conclusions until I have reason to do so.

Can you give me ANY reason whatsoever beyond THE WAY HE LOOKS, that would make anyone suspect he is involved in this? There are none as far as I know.

Well, his presence at the house so soon after the 911 call (if not before) leads me to think that he may have been sleeping there.

And the vagueness with which LE says "family member" when referencing who put Isa to bed makes me think that it may have been someone other than a parent.

And statistically, yada yada, family member or person close to the family, yada yada.

And FTR, I haven't actually seen the guy. I have only read print articles and snips so am not founding my suspicions on his appearance.

It's all a "funny uncle" vibe with me. And I still think the parents are suspect, too, along with everyone else. We simply don't have enough to go on to rule out possibilities that are statistically quite likely!

I'm not being pishy, I just wanted to show another line of reasoning in looking at JM.

MOO


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[Shelby2]

I don't remember anyone thinking the Uncle was suspicious because of a chain or watch. Statistically, the perp is usually someone close to the family, or a relative. Also he may have been staying at the house...So he can't really be ruled out-nobody can-until LE says so.

I don't think it's suspicious at all that a cleaning crew is at the house. We don't know WHAT happened there. Maybe it has something to do with why the family does not want to stay there. Since he FBI already spent a lot of time there, I can't see anything sinister about it, or why it is even newsworthy, or why NG would mention it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

That is the media for you, real investigative journalism went out the window sometime after the Pentagon Papers and so called journalists have been replaced with entertainers and shock jocks whose sole purpose is to sensationalize every little thing to get more viewers and make their advertisers more money. They dont care about the truth they care about RATINGS.

ITA!

And she will spin this like a top tonight too!

So what if they are getting their home cleaned? Are they asking NG to pay for it? Is it a professional cleaner? From what I have read this family is getting strong support from the Little League families, the people he sings opera with and Becky has a tremendous support group from the hospital where she works.

Someone could have offered to clean their home for them since it has sat there closed up for close to two weeks now and none of the mess that the police made has been cleaned up either, imo.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Well, his presence at the house so soon after the 911 call (if not before) leads me to think that he may have been sleeping there.

And the vagueness with which LE says "family member" when referencing who put Isa to bed makes me think that it may have been someone other than a parent.

And statistically, yada yada, family member or person close to the family, yada yada.

And FTR, I haven't actually seen the guy. I have only read print articles and snips so am not founding my suspicions on his appearance.

It's all a "funny uncle" vibe with me. And I still think the parents are suspect, too, along with everyone else. We simply don't have enough to go on to rule out possibilities that are statistically quite likely!

I'm not being pishy, I just wanted to show another line of reasoning in looking at JM.

MOO

Doesn't every family have a "funny uncle" and an "eccentric aunt"?

 

[pieper4]

Not sure if this has been posted... the pressure continues for the parents to speak out. http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/149762795.html

 

[Gardenlady]

It's not the uncle's appearance that makes him an interesting figure, at least to me. I have lots of guys in my family who are bikers, or just working guys, who wear big "dookie" chains (as we call em lol), some euro, some Hispanic, some mixed, that "look" is par for the course for me.

What makes him interesting is 1- the possibility that he is visiting from out of town when this happened; 2 - putting himself into the media at the outset; 3 - the possibility he was therre that night plus LE not specifying which family member put Isa to bed or saw her last.

This doesn't make him a prime suspect, obviously. But he is a "person of interest" to me anyway.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Personally I dont care who the perp turns out to be I have no dog in this fight I just hope they catch whoever it is and pull their fingernails out until they tell LE where the baby girl is. I just dont see how LE looking at some cousin suddenly means the truth is coming out and the uncle is guilty, that to me is just a little too hasty, it is one reason why we have SO MANY (yes there are A LOT) innocent people in prison and on death row.