AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #2

[SteveS]

Interesting discussion on why the jury isn't asking questions about the children.
Where are they?
Do they know?

1 The judge filters which questions by the jury are made part of the trial, so I don't assume the jury is failing to ask. Instead, I would expect all questions about the children have been discarded.
2 I think the jury does not know about ANY of the ID events ...
3 ... and I suspect the judge intends to keep it that way.

Why? The fact that the kids are dead and LVD (as well as CD) have been convicted of doing it has no direct bearing on the truth of whether LVD conspired to kill CV. This is a separate crime she's being tried for. Yet such info would probably be considered impossibly prejudicial to the ability of the jury to make an objective ruling re CV's death -- they would be so inflamed that they would vote her guilty, regardless of evidence BARD.

And let me add that if the judge DID let that info into the trial, or the state slipped it in, it sure seems like great grounds for appeal (assuming LVD was found guilty after that). Of course, if LVD mentioned it to the jury, that's on her, but I doubt she would ever admit such a thing (she's the victim of family tragedies, as both her kids died through no fault of her own, in her version of events.)

So I think the judge is stifling any such questions and will continue to do so. Then again, the jury may just assume there has been an awful (but not illegal) family tragedy that happened later, leaving them no reason to pry.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910523889203224688

 

[Kemug]

BBM:
There's always the Green Enchilada strategy.
lol

Maybe she conjured some up to use on her hair!

 

[Kemug]

I read that Colby sat next to her in the courtroom and gave her a hug after her testimony. Adam and Lori's uncle Rex was there for Adam.

I wonder if Kay has asked Colby if he would like to call her "Grandma". That would be nice.

 

[indicolite22]

I’m not trying to be MG’s defender but I just don’t see her level of involvement the way most do.

I think sometimes we forget how much of the time MG & LVD lived in separate towns and states. Yes they did click quickly and apparently spent a lot of tie together while LVD lived in Gilbert and even some while she was in Chandler but…

They met in Oct 2018. A little over 3 months later was LVDs nutty with cancelling CVs flight, moving and hiding his truck, CV taking LVD’s phone & keys from the car, and CV’s attempt to talk with LVD by using LVD’’s phone to call her. During that 3 or 3 1/2 months besides telling MG & others that CV had been taken over by an evil spirit named Ned, LVD was also telling MG that CV was cheating on her - she told her family the same thing. MG was dealing with her own family issues and that’s part of the reason they clicked.

And remember that MG looked to JM as a leader and he had “introduced” MG to LVD. Remember that MG was and is a follower. She questioned LVD about hiding CVs truck & getting rid of his stuff - but she followed her lead. And when CV called her from LVDs phone and she thought all of it was too nutty and didn’t know what to do, she chased down JM who she saw as a leader and asked him. JM advised her to advise LVD to go to police. She did & they went.

I don’t recall the exact timing but within the next month or two I think, LVD disappeared for 58 days - part of the time at AC’s and the rest in Hawaii. After she returned she went to TX for a while - the best I can recall was this was a couple of months. Then she returned to AZ to Chandler to put JJ in a summer program at his school.

So after MG met LVD, she was in Gilbert only a few months then at ACs and then she went to Hawaii and then she went to TX. MG met LVD 9 months before CV was murdered but they only lived in the same town for about 3 1/2 months. True Chandler & Gilbert are not that far away but they weren’t spending as much time together when LVD was at ACs or in Hawaii or in TX - though I think I recall MG making a trip to TX to visit but I could be mistaken about that. And LVD left AZ about 6 weeks or so after CV died.

So I think their “best friend stage” was shorter than most realize. And remember MG was involved with DW by the time LVD moved back from TX to AZ which would have also limited her time with LVD. I’m not sure I think they were ever as close as the media portrayed and remember ZP was at the infamous pool party while LVD didn’t even tell MG that CV was dead until several days after it happened.

I just don’t see the level of involvement that most attribute to MG. I cannot say the same for ZP or MBP - they seem to be more on the inside of LVD’s circle than MG does except for that first few months of their relationship when LVD was living in Gilbert.

MOO

During the time Lori disappeared in February and March 2019, she traveled to Hawaii multiple times, including taking Tylee once and MG another time. Lori's Hawaii friend April R told the media that Lori tried to recruit April (unsuccessfully) into her cult. MG was present but didn't say a word, just staring off into space. There was also a PAP event that MG attended but Lori didn't for fear of being served with divorce papers. There's no doubt that MG trusted Lori (believing she was special) and hardly ever questioned her.

ETA: After she lied for Lori in November 2019, MG talked to Alex, who told her "I can't believe she (Lori) threw you under the bus." Yet he was right there when both he and Lori did it.

 

[indicolite22]

Two of Tylee's friends are on Lori's witness list. What could they possibly tell that isn't hearsay? Won't the jury wonder why Tylee isn't testifying for either side?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Nate Eaton reported the jurors do not eat together. In fact, he stated he had to be careful while doing his live YouTube show that no jurors were within earshot. Apparently, it was a real concern.


MOO

Thanks for the confirmation from Nate.
On NE's video last night when he was answering questions from his supporters it came up why jurors aren't asking where Tylee and JJ were because KW spoke of her grandson JJ in the past term.
Nate said that maybe it was the question sent to the judge, the one he declined to ask?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Yeah. Here is the sitch.

Nephi was an individual. His family sailed across the ocean to the Americas hundreds of years before Christ.

The Nephites are a people descended from Nephi.

The Three Nephites were individuals specifically chosen by Jesus when he visited America after he rose from the dead (stay with me!) to become immortal and remain on the earth through the ages to minister until the second coming. They're translated beings.

MOO

Gezz, I forgot that Jesus immigrated to America.
Silly me.
I'm locked & loaded for the next time LVD starts preaching to the choir.

"THE BOOK OF MORMON DICTIONARY
A REFERENCE GUIDE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE"

https://thechurchofjesuschrist.org/wp-content/uploads/The-Book-of-Mormon-Dictionary.pdf

 

[Izzylizzy]

I know that everyone here will agree that KW showed tremendous control and restraint giving testimony. Especially having gone through the first trial. Lvd took so much from this women and I know if it were me I don't know if I would have had the strength. This is JMO but I think Tylee was killed because she knew to much. I think JJ was killed as a get back at KW because of the insurance money and as away to hurt Kay because of it. The only people who had dark evil spirits were
LDV,CD,AC.JMHO.

BBM:
Your theories sound quite feasible.
The burdens and lies that Tylee carried protecting the evil 3 had to have been unbearable.
Plus she went through AC attacking her father JR then her dad dying.
Has it been confirmed that she was sent to live with AC at one point?
Yes, LVD knew exactly how to deeply wound KW for the rest of her life.
I doubt the actual taking the life of JJ, an innocent little boy was even an afterthought for LVD.

IMO:

 

[Izzylizzy]

Some people don't follow the news at all.

I agree but the "news" especially news on high profile cases has a way of showing its face even when one isn't interested in it.
imo

 

[Izzylizzy]

Peter this morning.

 

[nodamselindistress]

I agree but the "news" especially news on high profile cases has a way of showing its face even when one isn't interested in it.
imo

Just an aside, it is funny how some cases get so much media attention and not other cases. For example, right now in Florida there is the 2022 Jared Bridegan case, a father of 4 gunned down in front of his baby in the back seat of his car ALLEGEDLY at the direction of his ex-wife and her current hubby. You have to dig and dig to get new info on this case, and Jose Baez of Casey Anthony fame is the defendant ex-wife's attorney! Crazy.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910775045976449359

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910933751347233041

 

[Izzylizzy]

'Justin Lum sat down with Charles Vallow’s siblings Gerry Vallow, Susan Vallow and Kay Woodcock who testified against Lori Vallow Daybell on Day 4 of the murder conspiracy trial:

 

[Izzylizzy]

Just an aside, it is funny how some cases get so much media attention and not other cases. For example, right now in Florida there is the 2022 Jared Bridegan case, a father of 4 gunned down in front of his baby in the back seat of his car ALLEGEDLY at the direction of his ex-wife and her current hubby. You have to dig and dig to get new info on this case, and Jose Baez of Casey Anthony fame is the defendant ex-wife's attorney! Crazy.

Interesting that even having JB as the defendant's lawyer didn't up the coverage.
imo

 

[Izzylizzy]

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910914843147984929

 

[Megnut]

Truth in the lies.

Could it be that Tylee witnessed the altercation, Alex attacked CV and Tylee, in an unthinkable position, hit Alex with the bat to stop him from attacking her dad, LVD sends Tylee outside, Alex shoots CV, and Alex or LVD fire the final shot, before they begin constructing a new narrative and LVD begins (continues) her campaign to control everyone involved, especially Tylee? We can imagine how gaslit she was, LVD probably made her to think she (Tylee) was responsible, in order to force her silence.

So much ugly.

JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Idaho prosecutor Rachel Smith chimes in on Arizona trial.

 

[Tanager]

I think they were trying to make Tylee see something that resembled a fight aftermath. I wonder about her returning for Lori's phone. It makes zero sense to send your child into the fray for a phone. Particularly, if you have the victim's phone and you know the password, and you could use that for emergency communication. Maybe Lori needed her phone, but WHY would you send your child in for it? Either you really wanted that phone (to communicate with Alex post-murder? or you wanted her to see something) I assume that Tylee also had her own cell phone that they could have used to call for help in the car. I think it was part of the plan for Tylee to see something, so that she could be a witness confirming Lori and Alex's story. And, it worked. For a while. I believe this is why Chandler PD did not act sooner.

I think Lori had enough tools in her manipulation kit to convince Tylee to tell a version of the story that didn't really match what she saw. She drove all kinds of wedges between Charles and Tylee so she could control the narrative. In my experience narcissists know how to silo people so that the narcissist becomes the keeper of the facts and interpretation and they are curated for each manipulee. In all likelihood, Lori told her that they'd have to bend a few facts (like the bat) to the police in order to simplify the case for why they killed Charles. I think Lori is a pro at convincing people to lie in the name of her cause.

You could see that Lori was quite irate that Tylee's interview on video was not going to be admissable by her, and she did not realize until then that she undid her own plan by killing her.